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  • ronaldo
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2002
    • 5475

    #51
    Originally posted by MaDalton
    oh god - us europeans are sooo retarded for having no border controls between all countries in the european union. it sucks so much that you can drive from denmark through germany, belgium, netherlands, france, spain and arrive in portugal without stopping for even one border check </sarcasm>
    I don't think most people have a problem with border patrols and protection. I understand why they do it. It's the way it's administered that's the problem.

    To be honest, the situation you describe sounds very dangerous.

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    • MaDalton
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      • Feb 2004
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      #52
      Originally posted by ronaldo
      I don't think most people have a problem with border patrols and protection. I understand why they do it. It's the way it's administered that's the problem.

      To be honest, the situation you describe sounds very dangerous.
      dangerous? for whom? it's called the Schengen Agreement and it's in place since 1985: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

      it basically says: european union countries are treated as one big country with protected borders to the outside of europe. but as most of you that went to amsterdam recently or visited other places in europe may have noticed the border controls of europe concentrate on the important things like criminals or terrorists - not people who just come for holiday or business
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      • ronaldo
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        • Jan 2002
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        #53
        Originally posted by MaDalton
        dangerous? for whom? it's called the Schengen Agreement and it's in place since 1985: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

        it basically says: european union countries are treated as one big country with protected borders to the outside of europe. but as most of you that went to amsterdam recently or visited other places in europe may have noticed the border controls of europe concentrate on the important things like criminals or terrorists - not people who just come for holiday or business
        Maybe your system works man, but it SOUNDS potentially dangerous. It's probably the way I was brought up. The last thing I'd want is a bunch of gun toting American's roaming free in the Canadian wild. Just like I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate us crossing their border with our beer and hockey sticks.

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        • RawAlex
          So Fucking Banned
          • Oct 2003
          • 9465

          #54
          You have to remember that driving around Europe sizewise is like driving state to state in the US. You don't have to check in at customs between states in the US.

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          • MaDalton
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            • Feb 2004
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            #55
            Originally posted by ronaldo
            Maybe your system works man, but it SOUNDS potentially dangerous. It's probably the way I was brought up. The last thing I'd want is a bunch of gun toting American's roaming free in the Canadian wild. Just like I'm sure they wouldn't appreciate us crossing their border with our beer and hockey sticks.
            well, guns are forbidden in all european countries
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            • WarChild
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              • Jan 2003
              • 17263

              #56
              Originally posted by MaDalton
              dangerous? for whom? it's called the Schengen Agreement and it's in place since 1985: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schengen_Agreement

              it basically says: european union countries are treated as one big country with protected borders to the outside of europe. but as most of you that went to amsterdam recently or visited other places in europe may have noticed the border controls of europe concentrate on the important things like criminals or terrorists - not people who just come for holiday or business
              So basically you're saying that within the EU, you can move around freely. Kind of like Americans can move around the US states freely, or Canadians can move around the provinces. Same shit, different pile.
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              • MaDalton
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                • Feb 2004
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                #57
                Originally posted by RawAlex
                You have to remember that driving around Europe sizewise is like driving state to state in the US. You don't have to check in at customs between states in the US.
                bad comparison, even if smaller it's still separate countries
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                • MaDalton
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by WarChild
                  So basically you're saying that within the EU, you can move around freely. Kind of like Americans can move around the US states freely, or Canadians can move around the provinces. Same shit, different pile.
                  nope - see post above - Europe is not a country
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                  • ronaldo
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                    • Jan 2002
                    • 5475

                    #59
                    Originally posted by RawAlex
                    You have to remember that driving around Europe sizewise is like driving state to state in the US. You don't have to check in at customs between states in the US.
                    Yes, I was thinking it just sounds like one big country with individually named states.

                    edit-I know it's NOT Stefan, that's just what it sounds like.
                    Last edited by ronaldo; 10-08-2007, 11:22 AM.

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                    • WarChild
                      Let slip the dogs of war.
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 17263

                      #60
                      Originally posted by MaDalton
                      bad comparison, even if smaller it's still separate countries
                      Open borders, same currency, you calling it seperate countries doesn't make it a bad example. You just don't see it that way, but it's a pretty stable example. The disctinction is really just a word.

                      People from Kansas and people from say New York are every bit as different and distinct and people from say Germany and France.
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                      • directfiesta
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                        • Oct 2002
                        • 30174

                        #61
                        Originally posted by WarChild

                        People from Kansas and people from say New York are every bit as different and distinct and people from say Germany and France.
                        I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                        • WarChild
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                          • Jan 2003
                          • 17263

                          #62
                          Originally posted by directfiesta
                          I meant to say as. And maybe that wasn't the best example.

                          But say compare people from New York city to people from Texas. It's not that much different than say Dutch and German. Or better yet, Louisiana and Washington.

                          You get the drift.
                          Last edited by WarChild; 10-08-2007, 11:38 AM.
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                          • MaDalton
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                            • Feb 2004
                            • 39861

                            #63
                            Originally posted by WarChild
                            Open borders, same currency, you calling it seperate countries doesn't make it a bad example. You just don't see it that way, but it's a pretty stable example. The disctinction is really just a word.

                            People from Kansas and people from say New York are every bit as different and distinct and people from say Germany and France.
                            lol - i'm speechless the very first time since years
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                            • Axeman
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                              • Feb 2004
                              • 5201

                              #64
                              Originally posted by MaDalton
                              oh god - us europeans are sooo retarded for having no border controls between all countries in the european union. it sucks so much that you can drive from denmark through germany, belgium, netherlands, france, spain and arrive in portugal without stopping for even one border check </sarcasm>
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                              • GreyWolf
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                                • Jun 2007
                                • 2036

                                #65
                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                nope - see post above - Europe is not a country
                                Got to agree with your original post Ma D.

                                Would also extend it and add that there is never a question of entering most countries outside the EU based on an EU passport - Brazil, Canada, Mexico, Egypt, Panama, wherever...

                                The US used to be the same, but there is a need to fear terrorists blah (like no other country has had terrorism?) and not worth the potential hassle now. Again, never actually had a problem with US customs in the past, but that may depend on whether the individual officer has a braincell.

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                                • JamesK
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                                  • Jun 2002
                                  • 16731

                                  #66
                                  Originally posted by WarChild
                                  I meant to say as. And maybe that wasn't the best example.

                                  But say compare people from New York city to people from Texas. It's not that much different than say Dutch and German. Or better yet, Louisiana and Washington.

                                  You get the drift.
                                  You obviously don't know much about Europe
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                                  • s9ann0
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                                    • Sep 2001
                                    • 4873

                                    #67
                                    you mean immigration right?

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                                    • StuartD
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                                      • Jul 2002
                                      • 29903

                                      #68
                                      Originally posted by BradM
                                      Stuart, no ICQ so guessing you're busy or not interested in talking to me.

                                      http://www.amcits.com/business_canadians_usa.asp

                                      Basic info here. You're going to want to apply for a B-1 (work short term visitor visa)
                                      Sorry, been busy..... but that's a great link!

                                      I'll hit you up at some point, I'm still getting a grasp on a lot of things at this point now that everything has changed with my schedule.
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                                      • stev0
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                                        • Aug 2003
                                        • 6801

                                        #69
                                        Originally posted by sortie
                                        Yeah, I was returning to the US from visiting Canada and they almost didn't let me back in. The dumb fucks took my beef jerky too!

                                        One stupid bitch asked me why I had an Hawaii drivers license if I lived in America.
                                        Just to be fair... Hawaii isn't actually in America, it's a US state but is not located in the Americas.

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                                        • Porn Farmer
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                                          • Feb 2007
                                          • 928

                                          #70
                                          Originally posted by WarChild
                                          People from Kansas and people from say New York are every bit as different and distinct and people from say Germany and France.
                                          Idiotic statement.

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                                          • AaronM
                                            GFY Royality ;)
                                            • Oct 2001
                                            • 46917

                                            #71
                                            Originally posted by StuartD
                                            Yes, that I have a meeting with a hosting company in Phoenix tomorrow and I'll be back right afterwards.
                                            When they asked me later I said that I wasn't purchasing anything, not making any deals... just a discussion about what we can or can't do in the future.


                                            They are probably asking themselves:

                                            "Why does an affiliate manager need to talk with a hosting company."

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                                            • StuartD
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                                              • Jul 2002
                                              • 29903

                                              #72
                                              Originally posted by AaronM
                                              They are probably asking themselves:

                                              "Why does an affiliate manager need to talk with a hosting company."
                                              Don't make me cut in and step on your foot.
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                                              • BradM
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                                                • Dec 2003
                                                • 3397

                                                #73
                                                I should also mention that immigration has become complex. For example a few years ago you would enter the US on a B-2 visa as a visitor but they didn't stamp you. Now they do. I have a few B-2s which are supposed to be used for non VWP (Visa Waiver Program) entrants.

                                                A b-1 is exactly the same. We aren't supposed to have it (Canadians that is, as we are waivered). However if you apply and are denied, you at least have proof to take to the border showing they stated you don't need a visa to enter.

                                                Also bring LOTS of proof of ties to Canada. They probably think you want to move to the US as you are "free" in your job. Bring pics of the wife, kids, house deed/car loan docs/bill stubs. Pack it neatly into an accordion folder. When they ask if you have ever been denied entry, state you have tell them why. Be honest first and foremost. With evidence and honesty they should never deny you.

                                                I should lastly mention that every single border agent has their own biases, own experiences and will deny you if they feel like it. They have the authority to do that. If you have your ducks in a row then they shouldn't.

                                                My crossing record isn't exactly squeeky clean, but I have been over and back a few dozen times in the last 4 years without any incident.

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                                                • Brother Bilo
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                                                  • Jun 2007
                                                  • 4193

                                                  #74
                                                  I just tell them I'm American and I walk through. You should try that.

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                                                  • SexualDragon
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                                                    #75
                                                    nest time lie!

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                                                    • BradM
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                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                      • 3397

                                                      #76
                                                      Originally posted by SexualDragon
                                                      nest time lie!

                                                      vacation/shopping whatever
                                                      Absolutely. I would recommend this to all idiots who would like a lifetime ban.

                                                      Good advice.

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                                                      • CuriousToyBoy
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                                                        • Aug 2005
                                                        • 16787

                                                        #77
                                                        I had to get FDA approval to ship a carton of Tim Tams for y'all a couple of years back.

                                                        Crazy ass shit.

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                                                        • hershie
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                                                          • Jun 2002
                                                          • 4642

                                                          #78
                                                          Originally posted by BradM

                                                          I should lastly mention that every single border agent has their own biases, own experiences and will deny you if they feel like it. They have the authority to do that. If you have your ducks in a row then they shouldn't.
                                                          On top of the agents having so much discretion, even the very Visa laws themselves have a crazy amount of latitude built into them. I got an E2 (Investor) Visa and the criteria is making a "substantial" capital investment and hiring US citizens. Each office that processes the applications can decide what "substantial" means.

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                                                          • NinjaSteve
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                                                            • Dec 2003
                                                            • 11089

                                                            #79
                                                            Why don't you just say you're on a day trip?
                                                            ...

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                                                            • StuartD
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                                                              • Jul 2002
                                                              • 29903

                                                              #80
                                                              Originally posted by NinjaSteve
                                                              Why don't you just say you're on a day trip?
                                                              Seriously, after the last time where they denied me because I couldn't prove I wasn't going to work.... there was no right thing I could have said.
                                                              At this point, they wouldn't believe me no matter what I have to say.

                                                              So I figured I'd actually be honest and straight forward. I had hoped that if I just came straight out and said that I had a meeting, they'd go "wow, if he was trying to get in to steal jobs, he'd have just said he was going on a day trip."
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                                                              • inthecrack
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                                                                • May 2006
                                                                • 533

                                                                #81
                                                                I have quite a bit of experience traveling between Canada and USA and it's always a hassle. Hour long interigations and baggage searches etc...

                                                                With this experience what's really amazing is how incredidibly easy it is every time I go to Hungary or Czech Rep. The customs agents there don't even take one look at you. They just stamp your passport and yell "next". Not a single question asked. Same every time.
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                                                                • Why
                                                                  MFBA
                                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                                  • 7230

                                                                  #82
                                                                  Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                  oh god - us europeans are sooo retarded for having no border controls between all countries in the european union. it sucks so much that you can drive from denmark through germany, belgium, netherlands, france, spain and arrive in portugal without stopping for even one border check </sarcasm>
                                                                  its truly a beautiful thing. Hungary, Czech, Slovakia, and Slovenia join the schengen on the first of the year as well. at least thats what i was told a few days ago.

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