Would you check user uploaded videos against a copyrighted "do not use" list if you could?

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  • borked
    Totally Borked
    • Feb 2005
    • 6284
    #1

    Would you check user uploaded videos against a copyrighted "do not use" list if you could?

    So, if there was an easy and free way to automate checking your user-uploaded content against a master list of movies that are not authorised for distribution, would you implement it? This is an anonymous poll.

    Note, by doing so, you wouldn't break DMCA rules since this is automated and not all-inclusive.

    However, accepting a flagged video would be a different kettle of fish, meaning you knowingly opted to have that video shown knowing it was not allowed to be shown...

    Youtube does similar things. Would this work for adult? Discuss...
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    Yes - I'd do anything to reduce the number of DMCA requests received.
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    No - I don't really care
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    • bean-aid
      So Fucking Banned
      • Jun 2011
      • 16493
      #2
      What are the checks? Some type of embed into original file?

      Yeah... I think it sounds good if it is thought through. That would also mean 1 software would have to embed the "flag".

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        • borked
          Totally Borked
          • Feb 2005
          • 6284
          #3
          The check would be:
          1. user uploads their video
          2. your system fingerprints the video
          3. your system checks this fingerprint against a master remote database of content not authorised for distribution
          4. if video is on the list, you reject it from showing on your tube.

          I provide the tools by working with the developers of tube scripts to have this implemented to make this is transparent as possible, or provide a simple framework for you if you are a developer yourself.

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            • gideongallery
              Confirmed User
              • Aug 2003
              • 7082
              #4
              who covers the liability for false positives ?

              “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                • Jakez
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 5656
                  #5
                  How would you compare an uploaded video to a database of copyrighted videos? If the illegal copy has a watermark or is edited/shortened/compressed then how do you know it's the same video as the original that is copyrighted? The filesize, source, and frames are all different.

                  What's stopping someone who wants to start an illegal tube from just removing this check? Or buying another tube script that doesn't have it?

                  How much would it slow down the upload process if you are running this check across millions of videos? This one is probably easy to get around.

                  Sounds like a great idea though for the people who want to run a legit tube without all the risk and hassle of illegal uploading.
                  Last edited by Jakez; 02-19-2012, 12:27 AM.
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                    • borked
                      Totally Borked
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 6284
                      #6
                      Originally posted by Jakez
                      How would you compare an uploaded video to a database of copyrighted videos? If the illegal copy has a watermark or is edited/shortened/compressed then how do you know it's the same video as the original that is copyrighted? The filesize, source, and frames are all different.
                      It doesn't matter if the video uploaded is a clip of the original, a compressed version, a watermarked version or anything. Simply put, ff the video uploaded is a match, it is a match.

                      Originally posted by Jakez
                      What's stopping someone who wants to start an illegal tube from just removing this check? Or buying another tube script that doesn't have it?
                      Nothing at all - this is an opt-in option, that's all.

                      Originally posted by Jakez
                      How much would it slow down the upload process if you are running this check across millions of videos? This one is probably easy to get around.
                      It takes ~15 seconds to watermark a 2hour video, then about 10milliseconds to check that against over 2 million videos, so I'd say it won't slow down the process to any significant length.

                      Originally posted by Jakez
                      Sounds like a great idea though for the people who want to run a legit tube without all the risk and hassle of illegal uploading.
                      That is the idea

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                        • borked
                          Totally Borked
                          • Feb 2005
                          • 6284
                          #7
                          Originally posted by gideongallery
                          who covers the liability for false positives ?
                          What liability? If you are the owner of the tube and you allow video uploads, you add a clause to say the uploaded video will be automatically checked against a database of copyrighted content and you reserve the right to refuse uploads of content that matches.

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                            • Jakez
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jan 2004
                              • 5656
                              #8
                              Originally posted by borked
                              It doesn't matter if the video uploaded is a clip of the original, a compressed version, a watermarked version or anything. Simply put, ff the video uploaded is a match, it is a match.
                              Would you mind sharing how that is accomplished? As far as I know if a media is changed then there isn't really much of a programmatic way of comparing it to the original, especially if compression is involved where every pixel is changed. Besides having a human look at them..

                              Originally posted by borked
                              What liability? If you are the owner of the tube and you allow video uploads, you add a clause to say the uploaded video will be automatically checked against a database of copyrighted content and you reserve the right to refuse uploads of content that matches.
                              I bet simply adding that clause to the upload form would get rid of most of the pirates lol. Throw in something about being "reported to authorities".
                              Last edited by Jakez; 02-19-2012, 12:54 AM.
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                                • Fenris Wolf
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Nov 2005
                                  • 1059
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by borked
                                  So, if there was an easy and free way to automate checking your user-uploaded content against a master list of movies that are not authorized for distribution, would you implement it?
                                  Yes I would. I would also like to thank you for taking the lead on this.
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                                    • borked
                                      Totally Borked
                                      • Feb 2005
                                      • 6284
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Jakez
                                      Would you mind sharing how that is accomplished? As far as I know if a media is changed then there isn't really much of a programmatic way of comparing it to the original, especially if compression is involved where every pixel is changed. Besides having a human look at them..



                                      I bet simply adding that clause to the upload form would get rid of most of the pirates lol. Throw in something about being "reported to authorities".
                                      I've spent a *lot* of personal time over the last year doing this and aim to do it not-for-profit. Also, if I open up how it is done, then pirates will figure out a way around it, so sorry; no - the concept will remain closed.

                                      However, I'll get a proof-of-concept set up with say the entire library of a major tube (eg ~150k videos) so you can test away till your heart's content to see if you can get around it by clipping, compressing etc. If a match is found, it will show you the URL where the video is at. Will that do?

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                                        • Jakez
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Jan 2004
                                          • 5656
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by borked
                                          I've spent a *lot* of personal time over the last year doing this and aim to do it not-for-profit. Also, if I open up how it is done, then pirates will figure out a way around it, so sorry; no - the concept will remain closed.

                                          However, I'll get a proof-of-concept set up with say the entire library of a major tube (eg ~150k videos) so you can test away till your heart's content to see if you can get around it by clipping, compressing etc. If a match is found, it will show you the URL where the video is at. Will that do?


                                          Not trying discredit what you're doing, just some questions I had. I think you should definitely setup that test and have people here try to get past it so you can maybe improve it.
                                          Last edited by Jakez; 02-19-2012, 01:23 AM.
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                                            • V_RocKs
                                              Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                              • Nov 2003
                                              • 32447
                                              #12
                                              Isn't this system already available?

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                                                • k0nr4d
                                                  Confirmed User
                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                  • 9231
                                                  #13
                                                  I'd probably implement it into mechbunny as a toggleable feature if such a system existed, had an API that could be used, and actually functioned well enough that it didn't give too many false positives... you would really need the support of tube script authors to implement this into their scripts for it to be a success, but there has to be a way to disable such checking on the script end as alot of tube site owners are affiliate programs that are adding thier own full length content to their own tubes. You can't do this with simple pattern recognition either because a trailer or shorter clip of a full video would have many of the same frames. Would have to factor in video length etc.
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                                                    • k0nr4d
                                                      Confirmed User
                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                      • 9231
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by borked
                                                      However, I'll get a proof-of-concept set up with say the entire library of a major tube (eg ~150k videos) so you can test away till your heart's content to see if you can get around it by clipping, compressing etc. If a match is found, it will show you the URL where the video is at. Will that do?
                                                      Actually, as long as the library is being updated constantly this isn't an issue. Tubes are the sources of the videos that get uploaded to tubes anyways. If some big tube supports this and someone uploads some cropped/clipped/compressed/whatever video, then people will download this and upload it to other tubes.
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                                                        • borked
                                                          Totally Borked
                                                          • Feb 2005
                                                          • 6284
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                          Isn't this system already available?
                                                          I believe Manwin has this available as a per-video payable service. However, this only applies to videos uploaded to their tube network.

                                                          This is an attempt to allow content producers to fingerprint their content and add it to a master 'do-not-use' list that others are free to check against.

                                                          Since it costs nothing to me (except cpu cycles, bandwidth, and sugar for my brain), yet has the potential to help those who care to avoid having copyrighted works on their tubes, I don't see the need to charge for it like Manwin do.

                                                          Of course, it does nothing to stop those who couldn't care less what content is on their tubes... that is phase 2 (which is ongoing 24/7/365) and is much more complicated and costly to me, and thus will end up being a pay-for service to allow content producers to automatically police the tubes to have their content removed from offending sites.

                                                          For coding work - hit me up on andy // borkedcoder // com
                                                          (consider figuring out the email as test #1)


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