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  • Redrob
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    • Oct 2004
    • 4791

    #1

    Off to Amsterdam, Feds are watching you...

    Collecting of Details on Travelers Documented
    U.S. Effort More Extensive Than Previously Known

    By Ellen Nakashima
    Washington Post Staff Writer
    Saturday, September 22, 2007; Page A01

    The U.S. government is collecting electronic records on the travel habits of millions of Americans who fly, drive or take cruises abroad, retaining data on the persons with whom they travel or plan to stay, the personal items they carry during their journeys, and even the books that travelers have carried, according to documents obtained by a group of civil liberties advocates and statements by government officials.

    The personal travel records are meant to be stored for as long as 15 years, as part of the Department of Homeland Security's effort to assess the security threat posed by all travelers entering the country. Officials say the records, which are analyzed by the department's Automated Targeting System, help border officials distinguish potential terrorists from innocent people entering the country.


    Click here for entire story.

    And, we still call ourselves "The Land of the Free"
  • PornMogul
    Confirmed User
    • May 2007
    • 1495

    #2
    wow who knows what the govt has on you. Maybe its time to go offshores down souf

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    • AGS-17
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      • May 2005
      • 1402

      #3
      interesting..thx

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      • Joesho
        want to get in shape
        • Jan 2003
        • 12329

        #4
        Wonder if they will have a capaccino and some hooka with me in Amsterdam?
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        • LilBro

          #5
          feds are probably watching this board right now....

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          • Dirty F
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            • Jul 2001
            • 59204

            #6
            I love it when i go the US and see all those imbeciles (who never been in another country) with their pathetic little "land of the free" flags on their cars.

            God, how retarded can you get.

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            • tony299
              lurker
              • Aug 2002
              • 57021

              #7
              its getting crazy.

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              • polish_aristocrat
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                • Jul 2002
                • 40377

                #8
                Originally posted by Dirty Franck
                I love it when i go the US and see all those imbeciles (who never been in another country) with their pathetic little "land of the free" flags on their cars.

                God, how retarded can you get.
                next time tell that to their face
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                • Dirty F
                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                  • Jul 2001
                  • 59204

                  #9
                  Originally posted by polish_aristocrat
                  next time tell that to their face
                  Why would i moron? Piss off from my posts please. Youre annoying as fuck.

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                  • Redrob
                    Confirmed User
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 4791

                    #10
                    How long before the proposed tax becomes a surveillence tool??
                    Connect the dots............


                    Drivers will help test idea for a tax on vehicle mileage
                    Austin-area volunteers to join study of alternative to gas tax.


                    Click-2-Listen
                    By Ben Wear

                    AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
                    Saturday, September 22, 2007

                    Austin will be one of the test sites for a federally funded study on replacing the gas tax with a charge on the mileage people drive.

                    The cars of about 450 Austin-area volunteers, roughly half in 2008 and the other half in 2009, will be outfitted with a Global Positioning System receiver and a small on-board computer. The system will collect information about miles driven, keeping track of the states in which the driving occurred. Then, the system will periodically dump that information into a billing system.

                    Policymakers across the United States see a mileage tax as a potential successor to the gas tax. The federal government has an 18.4 cents per gallon tax, and states have their own levies. The state gas tax in Texas is 20 cents per gallon.

                    The computer will not retain information on precisely where drivers went, just how far and in what jurisdiction.

                    Click on link for entire article.

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                    • polish_aristocrat
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                      • Jul 2002
                      • 40377

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Dirty Franck
                      Why would i moron? Piss off from my threads please. Youre annoying as fuck.
                      you stepped in MY thread today calling me gay

                      and THIS thread isn't even yours
                      I don't use ICQ anymore.

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                      • gooddomains
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                        • Jul 2003
                        • 10127

                        #12
                        feds are coke

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                        • Steve Awesome
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                          • Jan 2007
                          • 1575

                          #13
                          As long as you're not doing anything illegal then who gives a fuck?

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                          • CaptainHowdy
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                            • Dec 2004
                            • 94115

                            #14
                            Originally posted by gooddomains
                            feds are coke
                            Interesting...

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                            • SuckOnThis
                              So Fucking Banned
                              • Oct 2003
                              • 6844

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Steve Awesome
                              As long as you're not doing anything illegal then who gives a fuck?
                              Do the world a favor, put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger

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                              • boneprone
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                                • Jan 2001
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Steve Awesome
                                As long as you're not doing anything illegal then who gives a fuck?

                                Why??

                                Because believe it or not, there are some in our governement who believe we are Terrorists to the Moral Fabric of Society.

                                For everyone to stand down, not question authority, give up our Civil Liberties in the name of security and say who gives a fuck is very very distrubing and in masses could lead down a very scarry path.

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                                • dav3
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                                  • May 2007
                                  • 7348

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Redrob
                                  How long before the proposed tax becomes a surveillence tool??
                                  Connect the dots............


                                  Drivers will help test idea for a tax on vehicle mileage
                                  Austin-area volunteers to join study of alternative to gas tax.


                                  Click-2-Listen
                                  By Ben Wear

                                  AMERICAN-STATESMAN STAFF
                                  Saturday, September 22, 2007

                                  Austin will be one of the test sites for a federally funded study on replacing the gas tax with a charge on the mileage people drive.

                                  The cars of about 450 Austin-area volunteers, roughly half in 2008 and the other half in 2009, will be outfitted with a Global Positioning System receiver and a small on-board computer. The system will collect information about miles driven, keeping track of the states in which the driving occurred. Then, the system will periodically dump that information into a billing system.

                                  Policymakers across the United States see a mileage tax as a potential successor to the gas tax. The federal government has an 18.4 cents per gallon tax, and states have their own levies. The state gas tax in Texas is 20 cents per gallon.

                                  The computer will not retain information on precisely where drivers went, just how far and in what jurisdiction.

                                  Click on link for entire article.
                                  Sweet, now the government wants a gps tracker in every car, under the guise of removing the gas tax. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they implemented this and didn't even remove the gas tax, as proposed, and end up double taxing. Watch.

                                  Pretty soon they are going to install cameras and microphones in all vehicles, saying it's to try and end people falling asleep at the wheel, or talking on cell phones while driving.
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                                  • dav3
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                                    • May 2007
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                                    #18
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                                    • nastynun
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                                      • Nov 2003
                                      • 424

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Steve Awesome
                                      As long as you're not doing anything illegal then who gives a fuck?
                                      I'm surprised you have a FSC banner on your 2257 statement page. After all you should be agreeing 100% with the DOJ on 2257 regulations and record keeping.
                                      As long as you're not doing anything illegal then who gives a fuck about inspections or the fact that the FSC is fighting in court over it.
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                                      • dav3
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                                        • May 2007
                                        • 7348

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Steve Awesome
                                        As long as you're not doing anything illegal then who gives a fuck?
                                        "According to our GPS records, you cross-parked on Main St, October 7th, 2008. Enclosed your will find an invoice (parking ticket) and a self-addressed stamped envelope. Please pay with in 5 business days, or you will be arrested. Thank you good citizen."
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                                        • netpimp
                                          Registered User
                                          • Jan 2005
                                          • 66

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by dav3
                                          Sweet, now the government wants a gps tracker in every car, under the guise of removing the gas tax. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they implemented this and didn't even remove the gas tax, as proposed, and end up double taxing. Watch.

                                          Pretty soon they are going to install cameras and microphones in all vehicles, saying it's to try and end people falling asleep at the wheel, or talking on cell phones while driving.
                                          You're not far off. GM does this already.. They call it OnStar, while onstar claims to protect privacy, for how long will that last. Between that and OBD-III (not an automotive wizard here, but from things I've read), it won't be long before it's all tracked.. Your papers please?

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                                          • Donfoolio
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                                            • Mar 2006
                                            • 963

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by boneprone
                                            Why??

                                            Because believe it or not, there are some in our governement who believe we are Terrorists to the Moral Fabric of Society.

                                            For everyone to stand down, not question authority, give up our Civil Liberties in the name of security and say who gives a fuck is very very distrubing and in masses could lead down a very scarry path.
                                            So true, anyone who feels it is ok for any government to police the people encroaching on civil liberties is an enemy to democracy and freedom. those who think like that should be put to death.
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                                            • Antonio
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                                              • Oct 2001
                                              • 14136

                                              #23
                                              Mccarthy era was less scary than this shit

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                                              • st0ned
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                                                • Mar 2007
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                                                #24
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                                                • After Shock Media
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                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                  • 35299

                                                  #25
                                                  Do not think this is even limited to America.
                                                  Any government that could has always used whatever means it could afford or come up with to spy on its own citizens more so than those of other countries.

                                                  The trick is to allow people to accept it in their every day life as the norm and to not question what is going on. Hell the best excuse has been used in this thread already. Why should you worry if you are not doing anything illegal.

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                                                  • xmas13
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                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                    • 5176

                                                    #26
                                                    If you have nothing to hide, leave your door open at night and when you are on holiday LOL
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                                                    • Redrob
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                                                      • Oct 2004
                                                      • 4791

                                                      #27
                                                      My laptop has been searched when I re-entered the USA. If they find any record of anything illegal including erased images from your cache file, you can be charged with a crime.

                                                      Personally, if I was going to travel, I'd use a new laptop with my communications software only.

                                                      Save yourself some trouble, be clean when you cross national borders these days.
                                                      Last edited by Redrob; 09-22-2007, 06:42 PM.

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                                                      • nico-t
                                                        emperor of my world
                                                        • Aug 2004
                                                        • 29901

                                                        #28
                                                        whens the amsterdam show btw?

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                                                        • dav3
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                                                          • May 2007
                                                          • 7348

                                                          #29
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                                                          • _mC_
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                                                            #30
                                                            All I know is check your bags 10 times before you come back to be sure you're not carrying. When I got back from the Cup, they had dogs waiting outside the plane sniffing you as you got off. Fascists!

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                                                            • dav3
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                                                              • 7348

                                                              #31
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                                                              • PunkRockXXX
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Mar 2007
                                                                • 486

                                                                #32
                                                                Police State Coming Soon

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                                                                • dav3
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                                                                  #33
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                                                                  • DaddyHalbucks
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                                                                    • Feb 2004
                                                                    • 18975

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Dirty Franck
                                                                    I love it when i go the US and see all those imbeciles (who never been in another country) with their pathetic little "land of the free" flags on their cars.

                                                                    God, how retarded can you get.
                                                                    Maybe you can explain to me why each year millions of people break in to our oppressive country here in the US?
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                                                                    • PMdave
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                                                                      • Dec 2003
                                                                      • 1517

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Like there are 4 federal agents keeping track of the sextoys and the playboy you have in your suitcase... that's not what they are after. I always fail to see the problem with these kind of things. You really think anyone gives a shit about your "information"? It's not like they are printing it out and handing it out to your neighbours. Sure in a perfect world we'd have 100% privacy ... but unfortunatly that world doesn't exist.

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                                                                      • uno
                                                                        RIP Dodger. BEST.CAT.EVER
                                                                        • Dec 2002
                                                                        • 18450

                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by _mC_
                                                                        All I know is check your bags 10 times before you come back to be sure you're not carrying. When I got back from the Cup, they had dogs waiting outside the plane sniffing you as you got off. Fascists!
                                                                        I must have been lucky the times I went to amsterdam. Customs didn't even give me a second look even when i had blue or green hair.
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                                                                        • uno
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                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                          • 18450

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by DaddyHalbucks
                                                                          Maybe you can explain to me why each year millions of people break in to our oppressive country here in the US?
                                                                          I think you know the answer to that. It's still better than the shitholes they come from.
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                                                                            #38
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                                                                            • Drake
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                                                                              • Mar 2003
                                                                              • 12508

                                                                              #39
                                                                              Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said that "we need to be better at connecting the dots of terrorist-related information."
                                                                              Meanwhile the border is wide open for anybody, including 'terrorists', who want to come in.

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                                                                              • ServerGenius
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                                                                                • Feb 2002
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                                                                                #40
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                                                                                • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                  • 11913

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Donfoolio
                                                                                  So true, anyone who feels it is ok for any government to police the people encroaching on civil liberties is an enemy to democracy and freedom. those who think like that should be put to death.
                                                                                  there you go. the typical inbred idiot american talking about freedom... solution... kill everyone who dissagrees with you.


                                                                                  jesus fucking christ... you fucking morons are so retarded

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                                                                                  • Dirty F
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                    • 59204

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by DaddyHalbucks
                                                                                    Maybe you can explain to me why each year millions of people break in to our oppressive country here in the US?
                                                                                    You stupid fucking moron. Like i already thought you really arent one of the brightests are you?

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                                                                                    • Dirty F
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                      • 59204

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by DaddyHalbucks
                                                                                      Maybe you can explain to me why each year millions of people break in to our oppressive country here in the US?
                                                                                      Man, you really got me thinking since my last reply. I just cant believe how simple minded you have to be to come up with a comment to my post like you just did. Truly amazing you imbecile. Fucking dumb ass American idiot.

                                                                                      No wonder your online "carreer" is spamming referral links 24/7. Fucking retard.

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                                                                                      • jacked
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                                                                                        • May 2004
                                                                                        • 11019

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        another waste of our tax dollars
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                                                                                        • Steve Awesome
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                                                                                          • Jan 2007
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by SuckOnThis
                                                                                          Do the world a favor, put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger
                                                                                          What are you 12 years old? Fuck off, douchebag.

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                                                                                          • Steve Awesome
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Jan 2007
                                                                                            • 1575

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by dav3
                                                                                            "According to our GPS records, you cross-parked on Main St, October 7th, 2008. Enclosed your will find an invoice (parking ticket) and a self-addressed stamped envelope. Please pay with in 5 business days, or you will be arrested. Thank you good citizen."
                                                                                            Nice example, but an analogous illustration of this is already happening with license plates and electronic speeding / red light cameras.

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