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  • Barry-xlovecam
    It's 42
    • Jun 2010
    • 18083

    #1

    Is Pornography Copyrightable?

    http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/02/03/43613.htm

    Better hope this lawsuit is dismissed -- the only real question raised is pornography a "useful art" but the question may be too subjective to be decided upon by a court of law. (Let's hope -- it is an election year ...)

    Free Speech precludes the *obscenity* argument (it's a red herring argument).

    Suing individual infringing downloaders has backfired badly ...
  • Spunky
    I need a beer
    • Jun 2002
    • 133978

    #2
    I'd talk to a lawyer regarding this

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    • mikesouth
      Confirmed User
      • Jun 2003
      • 6334

      #3
      Waste of time already decided many times, it is copyrightable.
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      • just a punk
        So fuckin' bored
        • Jun 2003
        • 32385

        #4
        Originally posted by mikesouth
        Waste of time already decided many times, it is copyrightable.
        Quoted for truth.
        Obey the Cowgod

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        • DWB
          Registered User
          • Jul 2003
          • 31779

          #5
          Get Gideon Gasmaster in here to sort it out.

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          • bookbuster
            Registered User
            • Apr 2009
            • 26

            #6
            they should really stop suing people that download on bit torrent because they are obviously going to lose a landmark case if they keep this up.

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            • epitome
              So Fucking Lame
              • Jun 2009
              • 12156

              #7
              Originally posted by bookbuster
              they should really stop suing people that download on bit torrent because they are obviously going to lose a landmark case if they keep this up.
              And your role in the industry is?

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              • bookbuster
                Registered User
                • Apr 2009
                • 26

                #8
                Originally posted by epitome
                And your role in the industry is?
                What is the strategy here? Lets not issue cease and desist letters when we find our material being pirated. The bit torrent links are not labeled as copyrighted and mislabeled often. Then we record everyone ip's, sue half of the united states, and hope nothing bad happens?

                this will back fire

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                • epitome
                  So Fucking Lame
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 12156

                  #9
                  Originally posted by bookbuster
                  What is the strategy here? Lets not issue cease and desist letters when we find our material being pirated. The bit torrent links are not labeled as copyrighted and mislabeled often. Then we record everyone ip's, sue half of the united states, and hope nothing bad happens?

                  this will back fire
                  1) it doesn't matter if it's labeled as copyrighted. If it is, it is.

                  2) Lawyers get paid well and can determine if they are suing the correct people. There are dumb lawyers and plaintiffs and if they are doing it wrong, they will pay in the long run. Doesn't mean nobody should sue when you're getting ripped off.

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                  • Barry-xlovecam
                    It's 42
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 18083

                    #10
                    Originally posted by mikesouth
                    Waste of time already decided many times, it is copyrightable.
                    Looks like it depends on who you ask -- In the second case a Federal Judge alludes to the unsettled status of copyright when it comes to porn

                    Mitchell Bros. Film Group v. Cinema Adult Theater, 604 F. 2d 852 - Court of Appeals, 5th Circuit 1979 p. 855

                    It appears to us that Congress has concluded that the constitutional purpose of its copyright power, "[t]o promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts," U.S.Const. art. 1, § 8, cl. 8, is best served by allowing all creative works (in a copyrightable format) to be accorded copyright protection regardless of subject matter or content, trusting to the public taste to reward creators of useful works and to deny creators of useless works any reward. It is not surprising that Congress would choose to rely on public acceptability as a measure of a work's worth rather than on the judgment of such public officials as the Register of Copyrights[6] and federal and state judges. As Justice Holmes said, in rejecting the argument that under an earlier version of the Copyright Act the courts had a duty to pass upon the artistic merits of engravings and prints,

                    p. 858

                    We can only conclude that we must read the facially all-inclusive 1909 copyright statute as containing no explicit or implicit bar to the copyrighting of obscene materials, and as therefore providing for the copyright of all creative works, obscene or non-obscene, that otherwise meet the requirements of the Copyright Act.[12]
                    UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
                    DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS
                    NO. 11-10802-WGY
                    October 31, 2011

                    Footnote p.4
                    2
                    It is undisputed that Liberty Media is a distributor of
                    lawful, albeit hardcore, pornography, and the Motion Picture is
                    itself hardcore pornography. Notably, it is a matter of first
                    impression in the First Circuit, and indeed is unsettled in many
                    circuits, whether pornography is in fact entitled to protection
                    against copyright infringement.
                    Copyright protection in the
                    United States was ?effectively unavailable for pornography? until
                    the landmark decision by the Fifth Circuit in Mitchell Brothers
                    Film Group v. Cinema Adult Theater, 604 F.2d 852, 854-55, 858
                    (5th Cir. 1979) (holding that the Copyright Act neither
                    explicitly nor implicitly prohibits protection of ?obscene
                    materials,? such as the films at issue there, and rejecting the
                    defendant?s affirmative defense of ?unclean hands?)
                    . See also
                    Jartech, Inc. v. Clancy, 666 F.2d 403, 406 (9th Cir. 1982)
                    (stating, in the context of copyright infringement of a
                    pornographic film, that ?[p]ragmatism further compels a rejection
                    of an obscenity defense?
                    because ?obscenity is a community
                    standard which may vary to the extent that controls thereof may
                    be dropped by a state altogether?). Compare Devils Films, Inc.
                    v. Nectar Video, 29 F. Supp. 2d 174, 175-77 (S.D.N.Y. 1998)
                    (refusing to exercise its equitable powers to issue a preliminary
                    injunction against infringement of pornographic films and ?commit
                    the resources of the United States Marshal?s Service to support
                    the operation of plaintiff?s pornography business,? holding that
                    the films were ?obscene? and illegally distributed through
                    interstate commerce), with Nova Prods., Inc. v. Kisma Video,
                    Inc., Nos. 02 Civ. 3850(HB), 02 Civ. 6277(HB), 03 Civ. 3379(HB),
                    2004 WL 2754685, at *3 (S.D.N.Y. Dec. 1, 2004) (holding that the
                    question of whether particular pornographic films are ?obscene?
                    is one of fact for the jury, and that, even were the films deemed
                    to be obscene, it would not prevent their protection under a
                    valid copyright) (citing Jartech, Inc., 666 F.2d 403; Mitchell
                    Bros., 604 F.2d 852). Congress has never addressed the issue by
                    amendment to the Copyright Act. See Ann Bartow, Pornography,
                    Coercion, and Copyright Law 2.0, 10 Vand. J. Ent. & Tech. L 799,
                    833 (2008). This issue, however, is not presently before the
                    Court and the Court expresses no opinion on it here.
                    The possibility that the issue be revisited is troubling to say the least ...
                    Liuxia Wong v. Hard Drive Productions, Inc. is in the 9th Federal Circuit so the venue is favorable to the Porn Industry in general.

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                    • Porno Dan
                      Court Jester
                      • May 2003
                      • 6342

                      #11
                      I know a little bit more about this some people on this board.

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                      • sixsax
                        Confirmed User
                        • Aug 2006
                        • 213

                        #12
                        Originally posted by bookbuster
                        The bit torrent links are not labeled as copyrighted and mislabeled often.
                        Trolled the thread right there.

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                        • gideongallery
                          Confirmed User
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 7082

                          #13
                          Originally posted by mikesouth
                          Waste of time already decided many times, it is copyrightable.
                          it been proven many times it free speech and has a right to exist

                          however the point about weather it entitled to the monopoly power of copyright has not yet been argued and proven.

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                          • Nautilus
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                            • Sep 2002
                            • 1631

                            #14
                            That's troubling development to say the least...
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                            • dgraves
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                              • Nov 2005
                              • 2283

                              #15
                              Originally posted by bookbuster
                              they should really stop suing people that download on bit torrent because they are obviously going to lose a landmark case if they keep this up.
                              or win one!
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                              • gideongallery
                                Confirmed User
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 7082

                                #16
                                Originally posted by sixsax
                                Trolled the thread right there.
                                it not a troll it a fact

                                This fact john steele sue people business model includes honeypoting gay porn under titles of tv shows.

                                People download the current season of castle and find a porn video instead (and get sued for infringement because of it)

                                What would be really interesting if this was one of those cases because under that situation any distribution charges have a legit defence (tricked into distributing obscene material -- see the nasty dollars kiddie porn issue that happen here)

                                Leaving them totally free to take out monopoly protection for porn.

                                Thank you John Steele.

                                “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                                • baddog
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Apr 2001
                                  • 107089

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by gideongallery
                                  it been proven many times it free speech and has a right to exist

                                  however the point about weather it entitled to the monopoly power of copyright has not yet been argued and proven.
                                  I don't think anyone is suggesting you can copyright the weather.

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                                  • scarlettcontent
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                                    • Mar 2006
                                    • 6031

                                    #18
                                    yes .


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                                    • Dirty Dane
                                      Sick Fuck
                                      • Feb 2004
                                      • 9491

                                      #19
                                      The South-Korean case showed that even if porn were illegal it were still copyrightable.

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                                      • gideongallery
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Aug 2003
                                        • 7082

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Dirty Dane
                                        The South-Korean case showed that even if porn were illegal it were still copyrightable.
                                        remind me again what you keep saying every time i bring up precedents from EU.

                                        Oh yeah it not the united states so it doesn't count

                                        South-Korean legal system has some significant differences to the American System.

                                        “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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