SEO Question: Does google even really give a shit about unique content?

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  • tonyparra
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    • Jul 2008
    • 4568

    #1

    SEO Question: Does google even really give a shit about unique content?

    Specifically text? I do some adult search and the top 5 results are tube scrapers with the only difference in the top result being each is a different domain name. Titles, url structure, descriptions all the same .

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  • porno jew
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    • Nov 2006
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    #2
    you answered your own question there.

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    • JerseyPorn
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      • Nov 2011
      • 93

      #3
      Lots of SEO questions past few days. An SEO section may be necessary.

      And your answer is YES.

      You are experiencing keyword hits on high ranking sites.

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      • porno jew
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Nov 2006
        • 10166

        #4
        Originally posted by JerseyPorn

        You are experiencing keyword hits on high ranking sites.
        what the fuck does that mean?

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        • CyberHustler
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          • Feb 2006
          • 28741

          #5
          Unique content = having it first
          “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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          • icymelon
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            • Dec 2007
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            #6
            maybe they turned the panda off
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            • porno jew
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              • Nov 2006
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              #7
              point is those sites are ranking well with scraped content. the end.

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              • DamageX
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                • Jun 2001
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                #8
                Originally posted by porno jew
                what the fuck does that mean?
                It means someone is trying to sound like they actually have a clue about SEO.
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                • JerseyPorn
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                  • Nov 2011
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by porno jew
                  what the fuck does that mean?
                  It was a general response. Not looking to go into to detail

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                  • tonyparra
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                    • Jul 2008
                    • 4568

                    #10
                    Originally posted by porno jew
                    point is those sites are ranking well with scraped content. the end.
                    What I was thinking. They dont even attempt rewrite titles, etc. What the hell is the point in writing blog post. Theres not one hand written blog #1 for any of the biggest search terms in adult.

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                    • Mutt
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by JerseyPorn

                      You are experiencing keyword hits on high ranking sites.
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                      • porno jew
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                        • Nov 2006
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by tonyparra
                        What I was thinking. They dont even attempt rewrite titles, etc. What the hell is the point in writing blog post. Theres not one hand written blog #1 for any of the biggest search terms in adult.
                        in some niches blogs do well but generally it's all tubes, and that's because of panda. it's obvious that there are more factors in play now.

                        you will not get the same results with scraped blog content.

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                        • FlowerKid
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                          • Sep 2005
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                          #13
                          Because Google owns YouTube, one of the biggest tubes full of stolen content, they don't care about original content.

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                          • AllAboutCams
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                            #14
                            it depends i have blogs with thousands of rss content that rank and others that dont
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                            • halfpint
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                              • Jun 2007
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                              #15
                              only a matter of time before youtube gets taken down .....too much copyrighted stuff on there, hope google follows because it is the bigest copyright infringer on the net linking to all that stolen stuff Fuck em

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                              • Frank21
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                                • May 2009
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                                #16
                                google is powerfull ok but me thinks that it even too costly to scan all content for uniqueness.

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                                • John-ACWM
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                                  • Nov 2008
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                                  #17
                                  Not a rule.

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                                  • sixsax
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                                    • Aug 2006
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                                    #18
                                    Google uses hundreds, even thousands of signals for ranking. The signals they care about above all, are those related to trust. Basically, can your site be trusted to consistently deliver satisfying results? If they trust you they won't give a shit about your h1 tags, your content being semi scraped or whatever.

                                    Throw away the years of pseudo technical mumbo jumbo you've been stuffed with and think like a business owner who wants his brand/business/website to be trustworthy and recommendable.

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                                    • B.Barnato
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                                      • Nov 2010
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by sixsax
                                      Google uses hundreds, even thousands of signals for ranking. The signals they care about above all, are those related to trust. Basically, can your site be trusted to consistently deliver satisfying results? If they trust you they won't give a shit about your h1 tags, your content being semi scraped or whatever.

                                      Throw away the years of pseudo technical mumbo jumbo you've been stuffed with and think like a business owner who wants his brand/business/website to be trustworthy and recommendable.

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                                      • 2intense
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                                        #20
                                        100% yes
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                                        • EukerVoorn
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                                          • Aug 2011
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by CyberHustler
                                          Unique content = having it first
                                          Yes. And Google used to check for that and drop down sites with copied content, has that changed recently?

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                                          • stocktrader23
                                            Let's do some business.
                                            • Jan 2003
                                            • 18781

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by tonyparra
                                            Specifically text? I do some adult search and the top 5 results are tube scrapers with the only difference in the top result being each is a different domain name. Titles, url structure, descriptions all the same .
                                            Unique content matters for you. You aren't starting a huge scraper site where dozens of other ranking factors come into play so you shouldn't be bothered with why they rank well.

                                            If you are starting a scraper site or similar then ignore what I wrote above but you would still have a long way to go towards ranking for top keywords.

                                            PS, it is nothing new for scrapers to rank well. hahahahahahahahahaha and similar sites have been doing it forever. Yes Panda gives more weight to additional ranking factors but there has always been a way to get nice results with non unique content.

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                                            • CyberHustler
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                                              • Feb 2006
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by EukerVoorn
                                              Yes. And Google used to check for that and drop down sites with copied content, has that changed recently?
                                              Not that I know of. I'm no SEO "expert", I'm more of a SEO "minimalist" lol. From personal experience, #1 is the guy who had it first and #1 is the goal... not #2 and so on. You can settle for #2 and below, but that doesn't mean google doesn't care about unique content (among a few other things).
                                              Last edited by CyberHustler; 01-28-2012, 06:24 AM.
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                                              • porno jew
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                                                • Nov 2006
                                                • 10166

                                                #24
                                                if you admit you know nothing of seo don't give advice about it. i don't give paul markham shooting advice.

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                                                • CyberHustler
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                                                  • Feb 2006
                                                  • 28741

                                                  #25
                                                  So not being an expert on something means I know nothing and can't give my personal experiences with it now? Eat a fat one.

                                                  Edit: Beware of the ones who claim SEO expert status
                                                  Last edited by CyberHustler; 01-28-2012, 06:37 AM.
                                                  “If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

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                                                  • Failed
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                                                    • Mar 2011
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by sixsax
                                                    Google uses hundreds, even thousands of signals for ranking. The signals they care about above all, are those related to trust. Basically, can your site be trusted to consistently deliver satisfying results? If they trust you they won't give a shit about your h1 tags, your content being semi scraped or whatever.

                                                    Throw away the years of pseudo technical mumbo jumbo you've been stuffed with and think like a business owner who wants his brand/business/website to be trustworthy and recommendable.
                                                    How does a search engine understand trust? That question is wrong, let me see... How do I make a search engine believe that my site is trustworthy? Is this new content frequently? Is this new content at the same times daily? Is this the same keyword specific content daily and at the same time?

                                                    I don't understand, obviously. If you would be so kind as to elaborate a bit more, I would appreciate it.
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                                                    • porno jew
                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                      • Nov 2006
                                                      • 10166

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Failed
                                                      How does a search engine understand trust? That question is wrong, let me see... How do I make a search engine believe that my site is trustworthy? Is this new content frequently? Is this new content at the same times daily? Is this the same keyword specific content daily and at the same time?

                                                      I don't understand, obviously. If you would be so kind as to elaborate a bit more, I would appreciate it.
                                                      get a link from cnn.

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                                                      • porno jew
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Nov 2006
                                                        • 10166

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by CyberHustler
                                                        So not being an expert on something means I know nothing and can't give my personal experiences with it now? Eat a fat one.

                                                        Edit: Beware of the ones who claim SEO expert status
                                                        my point has always been, want to know what google likes, look what it ranks. simple.

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                                                        • Failed
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                                                          • Mar 2011
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by porno jew
                                                          get a link from cnn.
                                                          I don't even trust CNN
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                                                          • nico-t
                                                            emperor of my world
                                                            • Aug 2004
                                                            • 29903

                                                            #30
                                                            tubes are holy.

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                                                            • sixsax
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                                                              • Aug 2006
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Failed
                                                              How does a search engine understand trust? That question is wrong, let me see... How do I make a search engine believe that my site is trustworthy? Is this new content frequently? Is this new content at the same times daily? Is this the same keyword specific content daily and at the same time?

                                                              I don't understand, obviously. If you would be so kind as to elaborate a bit more, I would appreciate it.
                                                              What would make you trust a business enough to have them handle something crucial or to pay for their services in advance? Recommendations from friends? Recommendations from known authorities in the area? High rate of satisfied customers? That they keep their promises? That they have been around for a long time and do not seem to be going out of business anytime soon? Business model transparency?

                                                              Translate all of this into web: Site being talked about on social networks. Site being linked to from relevant peers and above. Surfers not hitting the back button immediately after visiting the site. Titles and ingoing link texts matching site/page content. Domain age and site consistency. Improvements are ok, but be careful with radical changes.

                                                              I know Google likes to claim that their algorithm is perfectly abstract, but that is just marketing bullshit. They are smart motherfuckers so of course they take advantage of any valid signals throwing themselves at them. Why would they not reward sites with an adequate privacy policy? Or sites that have invested in some established mark of approval? Or sites that do not use pop-ups? Think about your surfers, that is what Google is doing.

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                                                              • Barefootsies
                                                                Choice is an Illusion
                                                                • Feb 2005
                                                                • 42635

                                                                #32
                                                                It has nothing to do with the site being a 'tube'. It has to do with the algo.

                                                                1. Tubes Sites tend to be high traffic.
                                                                2. High traffic means more comments (i.e. new content).
                                                                3. These same sites get new "user uploaded" content daily/hourly.

                                                                In short, they have more activity which tends to earn preference in the algo. More new content, hence rank higher. If you can get your blog website to have the same level of interaction.... posts, and comments to mirror that of a tube site activity. You would get the same kudos in the rankings.

                                                                They do not get preferential treatment because they are a tube. They get higher rankings because they generate more uploaded content, comments, and traffic than other sites on the internet. Hence they win by default. Much the way forums did in the past.

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                                                                • seeandsee
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Only some crazy panda care about it, rest is copy/paste
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                                                                  • baryl
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                                                                    • Aug 2011
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Basically in Google if what you're looking for isn't ranked #1, you're going to have to dig a few pages deep because the rest of the first page is the exact same thing.
                                                                    Most of the time I skip to page 5 or so and work my way back to #1.
                                                                    Last edited by baryl; 01-28-2012, 10:46 AM.

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                                                                    • Relentless
                                                                      www.EngineFood.com
                                                                      • Aug 2006
                                                                      • 5697

                                                                      #35
                                                                      The best original text content will not make you outrank a site with 10,000X more content, better content, longer time on site, better bounce rate etc...
                                                                      However, among sites in the same 'bracket', original text can be even more important because the other factors are similar.
                                                                      As an example, there will be thousands and thousands of hostedtube sites... And the ones that properly optimize the content while including original page text, niche text, model text etc will outrank the obes the do not.

                                                                      Put simply, exclsive text is an excellent way to outrank other sites in your bracket, not a way for you to make a brand new blog with no back links and expect to outrank pornhub in a week, just because your text is more original than theirs.


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                                                                      • papill0n
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by JerseyPorn

                                                                        You are experiencing keyword hits on high ranking sites.

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                                                                          • Colmike9
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Just wondering, does anyone know if there is a difference between scraped duplicate content and content that everyone uses from a sponsor like RSS feeds?
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                                                                            • Colmike9
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by porno jew
                                                                              if you admit you know nothing of seo don't give advice about it. i don't give paul markham shooting advice.
                                                                              Exactly! If they charge any type of maintenance fee or any other bullshit, don't do it. If they actually do work and get your site to the top, a lot of those are just blackhat or constant submitting tricks. I'd say I'm an expert at SEO but never charge for it since I've been doing it since I was 9 and seems way over priced.. But if I make a website for a local business or something, I throw it in for free or just hand code everything without fat code to target wanted keywords from the start using the MAD technique (mathematical algorithmic design).
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                                                                              • cherrylula
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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by JerseyPorn
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                                                                                • cherrylula
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  bounce rate > content

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                                                                                  • faxxaff
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                                                                                    • Dec 2002
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Google does very well in determining unique content. Titles, short descriptions and a couple of keywords with a video can hardly be described as content. They are just like captions or product descriptions from a catalogue.

                                                                                    When you talk about unique content you have to look at longer articles, books, etc.
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                                                                                    • Failed
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                                                                                      #43
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                                                                                      • [DanteS]
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                                                                                        #44
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                                                                                          • Dirty F
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by Emil
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                                                                                            • Adraco
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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Colmike7
                                                                                              Just wondering, does anyone know if there is a difference between scraped duplicate content and content that everyone uses from a sponsor like RSS feeds?
                                                                                              How would Goolge know which is scraped or put out via rss?
                                                                                              If it's dubplicate, it's duplicate, no matter how it got copied/scraped/put out in the first place.
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                                                                                              • tonyparra
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                hi google thank you, since i switch to illegal tube scraper i have more traffic

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                                                                                                • adultforum
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Content is still the king..... Unique content.
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                                                                                                  • DamageX
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by adultforum
                                                                                                    Content is still the king..... Unique content.
                                                                                                    Yeah, tell that to all the scrapers owning your ass in the SERPs.
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