Originally Posted by Paul Markham

You're wrong again. I did use Google analytics years ago and the stats came from there and my ccbill link tracking them. The traffic came in floods and the moment they realised they had to pay, it went back. Which is an indication of the 100,000s who want more free, but don't have any intention of paying.

Now you can argue that a link that says "Enjoy more of Paul Markham Teens." is misleading. But when 90% don't even stay long enough to look, you can assume they have no intention of paying.

You're all talk. I don't have a Tube, never been bothered to drive traffic as that's the job of affiliates. some had Tubes and conversion on views sucked. Now you can argue that black is white till the cows come home. But no one believes you. We all know the ratios on Tubes is terrible. The only thing that keeps them going is the high traffic consuming porn for free.

This is nothing new. Most of you clever guys have always said "Why should anyone buy, when there's so much free?". Or is that wrong, the consumer still buys when there has never been so much free. And all those wise people are wrong and you're right?

TGP were poor conversion rates. 1,000s of people downloading or browsing for free and 20% at best clicking on a banner. Then conversions were 1-100 to 1-500. Depending. There some sites that were better and a few worse. Those conversion rates were 99% to 99.8% lost buyers. Now if you think 20% clicking and 99% of visitors not buying is good. You're deluded.

Our difference f opinion is what I think is good and bad and what you think is good and bad. I have higher goals than you. You seem to settle for a low achievement level. Nothing wrong with that, if it's the best you can do and I assume it is. I see it as a fail and why I never bothered going into the paysite market in a big way. I had bigger fish to fry.

Maybe you can list the Tubes you own, the ads or samples you placed on Tubes and your paysite. With ratios.