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A big FUCK YOU to Brad from Lion Dollars
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seems to me this guy was asking a favor....from someone who has asked for favors in the past
you're just a punk ass rat for posting this ICQ log
but you don't look great in this either brad......think you lost your temper too quickly
anyways, this is just fucking embarrassing for all people involved
but the real person at blame here, would be the bitch ass rat posting icq logsComment
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That's Brad for you... all friendly to my face but the moment his bro DH had a beef with me, Brad's Mr Hyde came out swinging at me... hoping DH would take notice and make his ass available for further puckers.
He's as two faced as they come. Don't bend over backwards for him or anyone he is trying to be bro's with and he'll either "meet you face to face" about it or start trashing your name in random threads.Comment
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I spent a LONG time involved with that industry, and referring players that have no intention of playing to get a bonus payout is always considered fraudulent. I don't know of a single casino that will tolerate it in the hopes of attracting even one customer. Something is odd about the site he was referring to, casino777royal.com, to begin with because it is a brand new page and tries to install it's casino software no matter which button you click...Comment
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And someone might get paid $10 to sign up for your trial by a scamming affiliate and decide he likes the site. As someone who handles an affiliate program, I can't fathom how you can take this stance.
I don't have a dog in this race, I don't know either party. But I've pushed traffic to casinos in the past in large sums. You would be thrown out of every single affiliate program I've ever come across for this. It's the #1 rule in the TOS of every affiliate program. You can say their policies are dumb, that they don't know how to "market", but that rule is black and white with every casino I've ever seen. Since affiliate payouts can be as much as $200, this problem of fraud is prevelent in online casinos and they ban affiliates all the time for it.Comment
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Fucking IRC #gamezkidz channel conversation here.. This is the first time since months I'm reading all reply's hahaha!!! i'm loving it
/log > c:\trashtalk.txt------
Offcourse its a dude posting here. Probably a fut ugly one too. Fuck still people falling for this 100 year old trickComment
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Your logic is inane.casinos are different than adult sites. if i deposit that 20, i am definitely playing it. if i ever want to gamble online again, there's a good chance i'll use a casino that i've used before, even more likely to use a casino that i used last.
that is the value and that's why it's worth it for a casino to pay on those leads. adult sites are an entirely different ballgame.Comment
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Very well said...And someone might get paid $10 to sign up for your trial by a scamming affiliate and decide he likes the site. As someone who handles an affiliate program, I can't fathom how you can take this stance.
I don't have a dog in this race, I don't know either party. But I've pushed traffic to casinos in the past in large sums. You would be thrown out of every single affiliate program I've ever come across for this. It's the #1 rule in the TOS of every affiliate program. You can say their policies are dumb, that they don't know how to "market", but that rule is black and white with every casino I've ever seen. Since affiliate payouts can be as much as $200, this problem of fraud is prevelent in online casinos and they ban affiliates all the time for it.Comment
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Are you really that naive, its defrauding an affiliate program. Oh wait, you represent the company that doesn't seem to mind paying affiliates who incentivize signups to your company via warez downloads.I don't think Brad is trying to fraud a poker site. What this looks like to me, is a CPA campaign media buy with the site, with a min $20 deposit. Its nothing more than incentivized traffic being sent to the site to complete the buy.
All I gotta say is, $20 min deposits now? Wow, they must really be hurting."WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..
Its crazy..."
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It's the Aliens their fault......bring in the tinfoil hatsComment
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guys...nothing shady here
i regularly test sponsor accounts for shaving
i never thought this thread would turn into defrauding bullshit
if they dont like the traffic...trust me someone else will take it
i ran my cards and used my ip
i wanted an ip on the other side of the world to try
we see all joins...so anyone thinking of sending to them
not bad registration to signup ratio
Zorgman..can take a hike...he could have used that 80 bucks for groceries i bet as well..ah well. StuartD love you man
im now 100% done in hereTelegram PhoenixBrad
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so now its for testing? you started out by saying it was to get your friend up in the next commission bonus group. "this is not for me...this is helping someone else reach a lage bonus payout"guys...nothing shady here
i regularly test sponsor accounts for shaving
i never thought this thread would turn into defrauding bullshit
if they dont like the traffic...trust me someone else will take it
i ran my cards and used my ip
i wanted an ip on the other side of the world to try
we see all joins...so anyone thinking of sending to them
not bad registration to signup ratio
Zorgman..can take a hike...he could have used that 80 bucks for groceries i bet as well..ah well. StuartD love you man
im now 100% done in here
Like you said, you ran your card and used your IP. So you needed someone from somewhere else to do it, so you didnt get caught?Last edited by KimJI; 08-30-2007, 01:00 PM.Trafficadept | Best traffic I have ever tested | web "@t" cuul.orgComment
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sounds like he was trying to do the same kind of scam as if a sponsor had a contest for 10 signups, and i said "hey sign up for this trial for $2.95 and ill paypal you $20" to 10 different people.
not to mention hes unprofessional as fuck, and if i was his boss he would have been fired for talking to affiliates like that.I host with VacaresComment
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ratios were dropping big fucking time....we tested and saw all money put inso now its for testing? you started out by saying it was to get your friend up in the next commission bonus group. "this is not for me...this is helping someone else reach a lage bonus payout"
Like you said, you ran your card and used your IP. So you needed someone from somewhere else to do it, so you didnt get caught?
so they arent shaving..unless they somehow know who is coming in
i started out by trying not to say anything but the usual board crap
then people started in with theories
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send me a click..or even let me know you are trying and i will talk with you about your bad situation everyday for four yearssounds like he was trying to do the same kind of scam as if a sponsor had a contest for 10 signups, and i said "hey sign up for this trial for $2.95 and ill paypal you $20" to 10 different people.
not to mention hes unprofessional as fuck, and if i was his boss he would have been fired for talking to affiliates like that.
just lie and say you will try..he was asked many times...he wasnt interested
im nice as pie to absolutely everyone except the people who are wasting my time and are not even interested in trying.Telegram PhoenixBrad
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I don't believe that story for a second
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http://www.microgaming.com/partner.php is the program they use if you want to be rich like BradTrafficadept | Best traffic I have ever tested | web "@t" cuul.orgComment
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i think you missed something
Brad : dont be asking me for any bullshit tips for your sites anymore..im blocking you
NEED DESIGNS?!?
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you can spin it anyway, but the bottom line is its cheating
If its not allowed, its not allowed, profit or not.
pretty funny thread though how something so small get so big

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it appears the OP is being joejobbed now with his site and his sponsor links.
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Anyone else notice that Phoenix has slowly been becoming more and more an asshole... Looks like he's having some sort of meltdown..
It's interesting to see who's in here doing the defending... validating the impressions about who's shady...Comment
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Next time you guys run a promo for X amount of signups, I'll get all my friends to join through trial links. You never know, one might end up liking your cookie cutter sites and recur for a lifetime!
Between this and your attitude toward your sites being promoted on warez sites, you guys aren't looking too good lately.
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He's completely mentally unstable. Anyone can see that by reading his posts in this thread and any other. This industry really nurtures the fuck ups.
Guy frauds a casino, and somehow you are supposed to trust him with your traffic while he is a rep? Any credibility you gave him should be gone.
Phoenix: You're insane. I hope you realize that. Seek help. Idiot.Comment
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Platinum Dave has never looked good. Don't kid yourself. But they have a lot of cash and a LOT of bros, so they are in no danger of losing anything by being fuckups.Next time you guys run a promo for X amount of signups, I'll get all my friends to join through trial links. You never know, one might end up liking your cookie cutter sites and recur for a lifetime!
Between this and your attitude toward your sites being promoted on warez sites, you guys aren't looking too good lately.Comment
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Nope. I am glad he posted it. I am sure he wouldn't have done so if Brad had acted with a bit of professionalism instead of not respecting the guy's wish not to use his credit card and then basically saying "well fuck you then" at the end.seems to me this guy was asking a favor....from someone who has asked for favors in the past
you're just a punk ass rat for posting this ICQ log
but you don't look great in this either brad......think you lost your temper too quickly
anyways, this is just fucking embarrassing for all people involved
but the real person at blame here, would be the bitch ass rat posting icq logs
He even denied the ICQ log was real until the screencap was posted
Giving him free site advice means he owes you a favor involving money/ entering a CC etc? I don't think so.
Remember Brad you approached him.
Your true colors came out even to the end where you added a barb to your fake apology...
you shoulda stopped when your hole was only a couple feet deepOriginally Posted by Phoenix
i lost my cool
for that part i already did apologize to him
other then that..im happy..man what a time waster he was
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Brad called me a noobie to my face, Well, I showed him....Comment
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Great thread, this is one of the moments I know my decision to push my mainstream business and get out of adult the next years is perfectly right.
No day without a new all time low, too bad, broaward.com is already taken.Comment
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Dude, the domain on the casino site you listed was registered 3 days ago. How can the the ratios drop from nothing? Why would you tell someone you are doing something shady (helping a "friend" reach a bonus) to cover up something that wouldn't be shady (testing ratios)? I have no clue why I would even give a shit, but you are completely lying here...Comment
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Worst rep ever. Brad/Phoenix asks the guy for a favour, the guy says no for whatever reason and is perfectly polite about it and Brad flips out and has a tantrum and supposedly blocks the guy. Great program rep Lion Dollars have their.
Then consider what he was asking him to do and ask him how it's any different than hitting up a bunch of your buddies and promising them $10 or $20 for signing up to a site with $1 trials, having a look around, downloading a bunch of shit and canceling the membership before the trial ends?
It's theft. Simple as that. Anyone who can't see it is a fucking idiot. And the idea that it's somehow different because it's a casino is a ridiculous idea. This isn't some ad on a site giving would be gambling surfers an extra financial incentive to sign up. This is cold-calling other webmasters and asking them to deposit funds into a casino account to make fraudulent profit.
By that logic, it's totally okay for me to get friends to signup for trial memberships to platinum bucks sites using my referral code and telling them if they cancel their trials before they convert into a monthly membership I'll give them $15. After all, If i get 10 friends to do it, 1 might have a look around and think "wow this site is awesome" and could remain a member for the next 3 years! Wow!
So, is it okay for me to promote Platinum Bucks like this? Eagerly awaiting your response. Got a line of friends waiting with their credit cards in hand and an affiliate link code in their browsers.
Do you still think it's okay to defraud a casino affiliate program in the same way?26 + 6 = 1Comment
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a fucking menWorst rep ever. Brad/Phoenix asks the guy for a favour, the guy says no for whatever reason and is perfectly polite about it and Brad flips out and has a tantrum and supposedly blocks the guy. Great program rep Lion Dollars have their.
Then consider what he was asking him to do and ask him how it's any different than hitting up a bunch of your buddies and promising them $10 or $20 for signing up to a site with $1 trials, having a look around, downloading a bunch of shit and canceling the membership before the trial ends?
It's theft. Simple as that. Anyone who can't see it is a fucking idiot. And the idea that it's somehow different because it's a casino is a ridiculous idea. This isn't some ad on a site giving would be gambling surfers an extra financial incentive to sign up. This is cold-calling other webmasters and asking them to deposit funds into a casino account to make fraudulent profit.
By that logic, it's totally okay for me to get friends to signup for trial memberships to platinum bucks sites using my referral code and telling them if they cancel their trials before they convert into a monthly membership I'll give them $15. After all, If i get 10 friends to do it, 1 might have a look around and think "wow this site is awesome" and could remain a member for the next 3 years! Wow!
So, is it okay for me to promote Platinum Bucks like this? Eagerly awaiting your response. Got a line of friends waiting with their credit cards in hand and an affiliate link code in their browsers.
Do you still think it's okay to defraud a casino affiliate program in the same way?I host with VacaresComment
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wow so insulting the guy is your defense? the first couple posts from you are insults and you have nothing to say about soliciting someone to make fake signups to a casino program.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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it is funny that everyone runs to gfy but at the same time it is healthy and what the industry needs. If people don't do shady things then there is nothing for them to worry about. If they are clean the worst you should see posted about them is from fake nicks.
I am non biased in this as i know niether parties. From your comments you sound like you are either biased or really miss the bigger picture here. For a rep to hit up one of their affiliates (regardless if he sends 1 hit or 1000000 hits), for some type of scheme, thats not acting professional. To top it off and tell the guy you want help him any more because he wont "help his friend make a big bonus" (which sounds like making a fake signup) I think that says even more about the person's character and his worth as a rep.
That is the exact kind of stuff that should be brought to light on GFY so everyone knows who they are dealing with. If you are a good guy and are a professional you wouldn't have anything to worry about Pull shit like that and I hope people post about it 10 out of 10 times.
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Worst rep ever. Brad/Phoenix asks the guy for a favour, the guy says no for whatever reason and is perfectly polite about it and Brad flips out and has a tantrum and supposedly blocks the guy. Great program rep Lion Dollars have their.
Then consider what he was asking him to do and ask him how it's any different than hitting up a bunch of your buddies and promising them $10 or $20 for signing up to a site with $1 trials, having a look around, downloading a bunch of shit and canceling the membership before the trial ends?
It's theft. Simple as that. Anyone who can't see it is a fucking idiot. And the idea that it's somehow different because it's a casino is a ridiculous idea. This isn't some ad on a site giving would be gambling surfers an extra financial incentive to sign up. This is cold-calling other webmasters and asking them to deposit funds into a casino account to make fraudulent profit.
By that logic, it's totally okay for me to get friends to signup for trial memberships to platinum bucks sites using my referral code and telling them if they cancel their trials before they convert into a monthly membership I'll give them $15. After all, If i get 10 friends to do it, 1 might have a look around and think "wow this site is awesome" and could remain a member for the next 3 years! Wow!
So, is it okay for me to promote Platinum Bucks like this? Eagerly awaiting your response. Got a line of friends waiting with their credit cards in hand and an affiliate link code in their browsers.
Do you still think it's okay to defraud a casino affiliate program in the same way?
This thread is still going on...
It's called sticking up for a friend. Even when sometimes they say and do stupid things. People make mistakes sometimes. Brad has admited to his mistakes and apologized, but everyone seems more then willing to kick someone when they are down.
Good night everyone.Comment
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wow, i will pay you $80 to make a $20 signup so obviously the casino can pay out more than $80 to the affiliate for the sale = scam. That's not markerting
Clickcash bans people all the time for that. I've seen it more than a few times where people are saying sign up to the cam site and I will pay you $20 and that person gets paid $40 from the company. So scammer 1 makes $20 scammer 2 makes $20 and the company gets screwed.
very shady.ICQ: 86364801 Email: will [at] innovativeassets [dot] com
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This thread is still going on...
It's called sticking up for a friend. Even when sometimes they say and do stupid things. People make mistakes sometimes. Brad has admited to his mistakes and apologized, but everyone seems more then willing to kick someone when they are down.
Good night everyone.


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