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My puppy will NOT stop BITING

08-29-2007, 09:38 AM

This dog will not stop biting. I shove a chew toy in its mouth when it bits me but it is getting completely out of hand. It is almost as if the thing is rabid. The vet says biting is normal but I can't imagine this being normal, or every dog would have its head stomped in at 3 months.

Anyone have tips to stop this behavior?
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08-29-2007, 09:39 AM

Firmly say NO BITING while smacking his nose. Don't knock him out but make sure he feels it.
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08-29-2007, 09:39 AM

Your dog is a puppy?
Chewing is very normal for pups because the are teething. You need to train him right now. Buy a book on training dogs from not chewing - there are some mistakes people make when training and the dog ends up doing it into adult hood. But it is very normal.
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08-29-2007, 09:46 AM

Don't hit your dog thats just stupid. You need to punish him for it. No need to be violent. Tell him no and push him down the ground. Hold him there until he calms down.

As others have said its normal be sure he has lots of rawhides to chew on.

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08-29-2007, 09:51 AM

Its normal for the pup...like everyone said get a book

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08-29-2007, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend

Firmly say NO BITING while smacking his nose. Don't knock him out but make sure he feels it.

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08-29-2007, 09:57 AM

Hitting is just the ignorant way of trying to correct behavior in dogs. A dog that does something out of fear of reprisal will ultimately be a less happy and less cooperative dog than a dog that behaves because it wants to please.

Take some obedient classes with puppy, it will really pay off in the long run. I can't stress this enough.

If he is becoming more and more dominant, roll him over, gently put your hands on his neck to hold him in position an stare him down. Let him up when he looks away. This technique is called the dominant roll. Note that it should never be tried with large, dominant adult dogs, strange dogs or very timid dogs.

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08-29-2007, 09:58 AM

I've done the "no biting" and holding him on the ground thing. That riles him up even more and it wiggles on the ground like some demented fucking creature trying to bite me more.

I mean it's totally out of control. I did beat the fuck out of it for awhile but I saw it was just making it really sketchy so I stopped. I should add by beating the fuck out of it I simply mean hitting it on the side when it bit me hard.

I also tried "yelping" like a dog when it does it but this made him happy and he wanted to do more. The dominant roll may work.

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08-29-2007, 10:02 AM

Dude(s), I'm not saying to beat the shit out of the fucking animal, but a gentle smack on the snout will do wonders. I've owned and trained dogs my whole life and I've never had an issue.

I currently have a 14 week old puppy and two days of this tactic cured her of the biting. She's happy and adjusting well. If she DOES occasionally relapse and get nippy, the verbal command now suffices.
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08-29-2007, 10:02 AM

what kind of dog is it?

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08-29-2007, 10:04 AM

if you have tried everything, try a mini spray bottle..fill it up with water

if it keep biting firmly say top biting, and spray the pup with water on the body.
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08-29-2007, 10:04 AM

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I've done the "no biting" and holding him on the ground thing. That riles him up even more and it wiggles on the ground like some demented fucking creature trying to bite me more.
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Because you are not being dominate. More then likely your doing it in some pussy sort of way. You need to take control of the situation. Look him in the eyes and don't show any emotion

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08-29-2007, 10:05 AM

Bite him back. Worked for me.

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08-29-2007, 10:07 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend

Dude(s), I'm not saying to beat the shit out of the fucking animal, but a gentle smack on the snout will do wonders. I've owned and trained dogs my whole life and I've never had an issue.

I currently have a 14 week old puppy and two days of this tactic cured her of the biting. She's happy and adjusting well. If she DOES occasionally relapse and get nippy, the verbal command now suffices.

So have I. I never use violence towards my dogs. I have 2 perfectly trained dogs that walk next to me with no leash and do whatever the fuck i want them to. I have never once touched them in a negitive way.

I guess negitivity and fear can work but its much easier just to be the leader. Its alot more fulfilling for both you and your dog.

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08-29-2007, 10:13 AM

When my dogs would act that way I would bite them back (especially the ears which are more sensitive areas). A dog trainer told me that puppies go trough a stage where they dont know their strenght and learn with each other the limit. It is not always about the teeth growing; puppies like to bite and play that way.

If you bite the dog right after he bites you just enough to make him squeal a bit he should understand. I would always hold my dog down too in submission position as I'd do it. I know this is strange but hey, worked for me

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08-29-2007, 10:14 AM

Originally posted by WarChild

If he is becoming more and more dominant, roll him over, gently put your hands on his neck to hold him in position an stare him down. Let him up when he looks away. This technique is called the dominant roll. Note that it should never be tried with large, dominant adult dogs, strange dogs or very timid dogs.

That works great actually. You have to make sure it knows your the boss.

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Bite him back. Worked for me.

I have actually heard this is a really effect way of training. Never treid it myself though.

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08-29-2007, 10:16 AM

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Because you are not being dominate. More then likely your doing it in some pussy sort of way. You need to take control of the situation. Look him in the eyes and don't show any emotion

I was just about to say, some people aren't ment to have dogs

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08-29-2007, 10:16 AM

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So have I. I never use violence towards my dogs. I have 2 perfectly trained dogs that walk next to me with no leash and do whatever the fuck i want them to. I have never once touched them in a negitive way.

I guess negitivity and fear can work but its much easier just to be the leader. Its alot more fulfilling for both you and your dog.

http://inch.com/~dogs/taming.html

You're missing an important point. In nature, "gentle" violence is an integral part of the pack social structure.

Whatever though.
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08-29-2007, 10:17 AM

yeah... be strict! Say NO when it bites!

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08-29-2007, 10:19 AM

I can use teh Googles too.

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Your dog only understands a few words of human dialect, but he has a good grasp of body language. So, you must correct him using the body language of a dominant dog.

When the dog barks, go after him. Do not call him to you. Hurry straight toward him with your shoulders squared and your eyes locked on his. Charge forward with body language that indicates that you are prepared to take physical action. The rule is that the more intimidating your movement during the charge, the less force you need to use when you arrive. So, ham it up. You are playing the role of the ferocious dominant dog rebuking his underling. Do it with all the dramatic flair you can muster.

Just an instant before you reach the dog, say loudly, "No" followed an instant later by a tap on the nose. The strike should be lightly delivered with two fingers, driven by a slight flip of the wrist. The best way to gauge the amount of force to use is to smack yourself on the face or head with two fingers. You'll quickly realize that even the lightest of taps is unpleasant. A smack on the dog's nose can be of slight intensity and still be effective. That's especially true if it is preceded by a sudden rush forward, and accompanied by a sharp "No" and intimidating body language.

Striking a dog forcefully on his nose, or on any part of his head, can cause brain damage that might not become apparent until well into the future, and puppies are especially vulnerable to head injury. Therefore, always remember that your goal in charging and striking the dog is to ensure that he will come to associate barking with unpleasant consequences. So you just need to be very unpleasant. There is no need to be brutal. The point is not to inflict pain or injury, but to create an unnerving consequence that the dog will want to avoid in the future.

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08-29-2007, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by BradM

I've done the "no biting" and holding him on the ground thing. That riles him up even more and it wiggles on the ground like some demented fucking creature trying to bite me more.

I mean it's totally out of control. I did beat the fuck out of it for awhile but I saw it was just making it really sketchy so I stopped. I should add by beating the fuck out of it I simply mean hitting it on the side when it bit me hard.

I also tried "yelping" like a dog when it does it but this made him happy and he wanted to do more. The dominant roll may work.

It wants to play. You know, like children? It plays through biting things. PLAY with the dog, don't smack it around and punish it. Is it a big dog? The bigger the dog the MORE it needs activity and playtime, or it will bite and tear things up until it gets out the ENERGY it has because its essentially a child.

If you show aggression back to the dog, it will only make it MORE aggressive and eventually it will bite you in a bad way.

Most dogs do NOT grow out of puppiness until they are 1.5 to 2 years old.

Also, if its a male dog neutering the dog will make it much calmer if it is not.

But if you think hitting the dog while he thinks he is only playing with you is going to teach him something, its not. Would you smack a 5 year old when they came up to you laughing and all happy with a toy wanting to play? That'll teach 'em.
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08-29-2007, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend

You're missing an important point. In nature, "gentle" violence is an integral part of the pack social structure.

Whatever though.

I know what you're saying, it's an old school training method and of course it works.

Are you familiar at all with Schutzhund training? It's the working dog training and competitions you see Rottweilers, Shepards etc doing. It requires the arguably the greatest measure of obedience control because dogs must not only be aggressive looking and react fast, but must also "out" when they're told, as well as back off the helper and escort walking "prisoners" etc. It's not attack training because the dogs behave in pray and not fight drive. If the helper takes the bite mit off, the dog will go for the bite mit and ignore the helper. In any case, dogs that are trained with positive methods that do not include hitting or forcing the dog to do anything are proving to be much better dogs than dogs trained with the old school stick method.

Food for thought.

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08-29-2007, 10:26 AM

Brad just take the dog to obedience class. Seriously you'll thank me.

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08-29-2007, 10:28 AM

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It wants to play.

Well I realize this, but it's really not playing to me hence the thread. I am just looking for a way to solve the problem. I know hitting is not going to solve the problem at all.

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Would you smack a 5 year old when they came up to you laughing and all happy with a toy wanting to play? That'll teach 'em.

Obviously, yes I would.
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08-29-2007, 10:28 AM

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Brad just take the dog to obedience class. Seriously you'll thank me.

The ones where I have to be there and learn from the trainer etc? I've heard people go to those and they suck for the most part.
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08-29-2007, 10:29 AM

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I was just about to say, some people aren't ment to have dogs

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08-29-2007, 10:33 AM

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The ones where I have to be there and learn from the trainer etc? I've heard people go to those and they suck for the most part.

Well personally I did private training, but the classes save a little bit of money. Usually a series of private classes are not that expensive and they will be structured more or less like this:

The trainer will come, work a bit with your dog and assess his personality. He will also show you some basic corrective methods and how to properly encourage the dog. You'll then work with your dog by yourself usually for 30minutes to an hour a day. The trainer will come back the next week and this process will continue for 6-10 weeks. At the end, you WILL have a well trained dog if you do your "homework" properly.

The thing is that reading dog body language and communicating back with them is a little bit of an art. It varies from dog to dog, breed to breed. The best method for teaching my dogs will ultimately not be the best for yours. There will be slight differences depending on a dog's strength and weaknesses. You're not a professional animal person and probably wouldn't want to be, so why not engage somebody that is? It should only be a few hundred dollars max.

If you're having trouble finding a trainer, you can contact the ASPCA in your area and ask for their advice. Vet offices and animal rescue groups are also good resources. Find someone that uses positive reinforcment methods and comes recommended and you'll be a happy man after.

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08-29-2007, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by WarChild

Well personally I did private training, but the classes save a little bit of money. Usually a series of private classes are not that expensive and they will be structured more or less like this:

The trainer will come, work a bit with your dog and assess his personality. He will also show you some basic corrective methods and how to properly encourage the dog. You'll then work with your dog by yourself usually for 30minutes to an hour a day. The trainer will come back the next week and this process will continue for 6-10 weeks. At the end, you WILL have a well trained dog if you do your "homework" properly.

The thing is that reading dog body language and communicating back with them is a little bit of an art. It varies from dog to dog, breed to breed. The best method for teaching my dogs will ultimately not be the best for yours. There will be slight differences depending on a dog's strength and weaknesses. You're not a professional animal person and probably wouldn't want to be, so why not engage somebody that is? It should only be a few hundred dollars max.

If you're having trouble finding a trainer, you can contact the ASPCA in your area and ask for their advice. Vet offices and animal rescue groups are also good resources. Find someone that uses positive reinforcment methods and comes recommended and you'll be a happy man after.

Sound advice, and if all else fails you can toss the mutt into a wood chipper and get a new one.
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08-29-2007, 10:36 AM

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It wants to play. You know, like children? It plays through biting things. PLAY with the dog, don't smack it around and punish it. Is it a big dog? The bigger the dog the MORE it needs activity and playtime, or it will bite and tear things up until it gets out the ENERGY it has because its essentially a child.

If you show aggression back to the dog, it will only make it MORE aggressive and eventually it will bite you in a bad way.

Most dogs do NOT grow out of puppiness until they are 1.5 to 2 years old.

Also, if its a male dog neutering the dog will make it much calmer if it is not.

But if you think hitting the dog while he thinks he is only playing with you is going to teach him something, its not. Would you smack a 5 year old when they came up to you laughing and all happy with a toy wanting to play? That'll teach 'em.

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08-29-2007, 10:46 AM

Take the dog for walks..everyday. Its trying to tell you that it needs attention and play time. To discipline it, grab the scruff of the neck on the side..give it a twist and make it submit to you on the ground. This will show the dog who is the leader. Puppies need alot of work, attention and excercise.
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08-29-2007, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by jimthefiend

Firmly say NO BITING while smacking his nose. Don't knock him out but make sure he feels it.

Thats what we did with out lab. He won't bite, but if your wrestling around he will put his teeth on you but never ever bite. Doing it at a young age is the best, and hit the tip of the nose.
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