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  • RawAlex
    So Fucking Banned
    • Oct 2003
    • 9465
    #151
    Meloman, one of the things I realized looking at the web20 model is that without a large amount of parasite advertising around the content, these sites have little hope of being profitable. They are bandwidth and server intensive situations, and require huge amounts of both if they really want to be able to cope with the traffic they get.

    Sponsors need to clear this situation up. Are they permitting different uses of thier content? Are we now allowed to stitch together their videos to run together? Are we allowed to run other advertising on a page with thier content? Are we allowed up upload the content with our affiliate codes to other sites?

    It will be interesting to see if programs start offering their content in other formats or make these deals more "open" to all.

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      • playingwithmyself823
        Registered User
        • Aug 2007
        • 83
        #152
        Originally posted by VG.Content
        After some leg work, tons of e mails, and a little time I was able to get the main biller on Megarotic to suspend the account until all questionable content was off the site. Which means most of their content by their regulations. They still have one biller left, but after a long series of talks with them they should have them shut off in no time. Which means by the end of today no one will be able to purchase or rebill or anything a premium membership to Megarotic

        If you do more then bitch on GFY you can get shit done. People say on here that we cannot hurt the tube sites hah, this is proof that with some time and leg work you most certainly can. This is just step one of my battle with them, give me a week and it's going to get worse.

        Thanks for those who support the fight.

        I am very sorry to disappoint you all but this is a very temporary success which is based on the ignorance and lack of legal knowledge of the billing company. Soon the billing company will talk with its lawyers and find out that Megarotic is a 100% legal site and that there is no problem charging for premium access. Its just a question of time. Also Megarotic will soon find another billing company and before working with them they will explain to the billing company what's exactly the legal stand and how to deal with people like you. Its going to be a pre-emptive briefing. you think you are doing life harder to sites like megarotic - but you are just accelerating your inevadable destiny. Either adjust or get out of this business!

        Megarotic is DMCA complaint now 100 new billing companies are going to jump on this business opportunity with Megarotic and trust me that the next billing company will not eat your bullshit no more!

        Just remember my words

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          • xclusive
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Apr 2004
            • 35218
            #153
            VG.Content for "Miss Gfy September"

            I support MediumPimpin.com / Shemp's Outlawtgp.com /


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              • »Rob Content«
                Confirmed User
                • Dec 2006
                • 4348
                #154
                Originally posted by playingwithmyself823
                I am very sorry to disappoint you all but this is a very temporary success which is based on the ignorance and lack of legal knowledge of the billing company. Soon the billing company will talk with its lawyers and find out that Megarotic is a 100% legal site and that there is no problem charging for premium access. Its just a question of time. Also Megarotic will soon find another billing company and before working with them they will explain to the billing company what's exactly the legal stand and how to deal with people like you. Its going to be a pre-emptive briefing. you think you are doing life harder to sites like megarotic - but you are just accelerating your inevadable destiny. Either adjust or get out of this business!

                Megarotic is DMCA complaint now 100 new billing companies are going to jump on this business opportunity with Megarotic and trust me that the next billing company will not eat your bullshit no more!

                Just remember my words
                Megarotic is not 100% DMCA compliant, that's a joke, I don't even need to explain that as I know at least 20 people whose content is on their illegally.

                Having the billing cut them off had nothing to do with DMCA at all anyways, it had to do with them having SCAT, rape, incest, pee/urine, beasty, and stuff that appeared to be underage.

                Visa will not stand for that in any country. Cold simple fast, your entire post that I quoted made zero sense.

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                  • playingwithmyself823
                    Registered User
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 83
                    #155
                    Originally posted by shwsrvcs
                    We posted our own content on megarotic as free advertising and got some good sales from it.

                    Obviously, we couldn't track the traffic very well, but everytime we posted a video, our days were stronger.

                    I wonder if they will pull our videos as a result?

                    That will be interesting to see.

                    Dave G
                    They will never pull your vids very interesting story!

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                      • playingwithmyself823
                        Registered User
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 83
                        #156
                        Originally posted by VG.Content
                        Megarotic is not 100% DMCA compliant, that's a joke, I don't even need to explain that as I know at least 20 people whose content is on their illegally.

                        Having the billing cut them off had nothing to do with DMCA at all anyways, it had to do with them having SCAT, rape, incest, pee/urine, beasty, and stuff that appeared to be underage.

                        Visa will not stand for that in any country. Cold simple fast, your entire post that I quoted made zero sense.
                        Thank you VG.Content for you explanation! can you ask those 20 people if they have send a DMCA notice to Megarotic? and if Megarotic has deleted for them the content?

                        I also suggest that Megarotic set up some moderators to police this types of content!

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                          • chupacabra
                            Confirmed User
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 3626
                            #157
                            Originally posted by playingwithmyself823
                            I am very sorry to disappoint you all but this is a very temporary success which is based on the ignorance and lack of legal knowledge of the billing company. Soon the billing company will talk with its lawyers and find out that Megarotic is a 100% legal site and that there is no problem charging for premium access. Its just a question of time. Also Megarotic will soon find another billing company and before working with them they will explain to the billing company what's exactly the legal stand and how to deal with people like you. Its going to be a pre-emptive briefing. you think you are doing life harder to sites like megarotic - but you are just accelerating your inevadable destiny. Either adjust or get out of this business!

                            Megarotic is DMCA complaint now 100 new billing companies are going to jump on this business opportunity with Megarotic and trust me that the next billing company will not eat your bullshit no more!

                            Just remember my words
                            oh gods, not you again. if all this business is so above board why don't you register w/ a nick that reflects the site(s) you really work w/ then..?
                            ...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..

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                              • »Rob Content«
                                Confirmed User
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 4348
                                #158
                                Originally posted by playingwithmyself823
                                Thank you VG.Content for you explanation! can you ask those 20 people if they have send a DMCA notice to Megarotic? and if Megarotic has deleted for them the content?

                                I also suggest that Megarotic set up some moderators to police this types of content!
                                Actually I personally DMCA'ed them on many pieces of content on their site and nothing happened.

                                80% Revshare or 30$ PPS on $1 trials: 200 Niches = Vidz.com Galleries / FLVs / Embeds
                                3 & 5mins FLVs | RSS & Tube Feeds | Matching Thumbs | FLV Browser & Exporter | No Prechecked Xsales
                                >> Mobile Redirection Script: mobile.vidz.com also paying 80% net Lifetime << ICQ: 198-394-557


                                ICQ - 436 795 438 E-mail rob /@/ cool-content dotcom

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                                  • commonsense
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Feb 2007
                                    • 1790
                                    #159
                                    Originally posted by Sausage
                                    Nice try...

                                    ...but I support tube sites, as long as the sponsor is ok with their content being used, or the uploader has rights to the content.

                                    If you think that web2 style social networking sites can be squashed you really have your head in the sand. These types of sites are the future and most of the present tube sites are merely a step away from being mgps. Hell the conversions are better than we have seen on tgp/mgp for a long time, so we upload our content on to them and happily take their traffic.

                                    I can think of things far worse than adult tube sites, and at least most of the tube sites let you use their traffic for free!

                                    This reminds me of the big dramas when tgps first started hitting the scene, and picposts were phased out. You can't stop the net evolving.

                                    Then you just answered the obvious question. Megarotic is FULL of stolen content, and they're charging heavily reduced subscription fees and receiving advertising revenue for doing it.


                                    Quit confusing Web 2.0 with stealing content. I know it's a difficult concept to grasp, but they're two completely different things.

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                                      • Bake
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jan 2001
                                        • 5916
                                        #160
                                        Originally posted by playingwithmyself823
                                        I now 100 new billing companies are going to jump on this business opportunity with Megarotic and trust me that the next billing company will not eat your bullshit no more!

                                        Just remember my words
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                                          • playingwithmyself823
                                            Registered User
                                            • Aug 2007
                                            • 83
                                            #161
                                            Originally posted by VG.Content
                                            Actually I personally DMCA'ed them on many pieces of content on their site and nothing happened.
                                            Let me investigate this.. can you send me please 1-2 DMCAs you have posted to Megarotic?

                                            Cheers

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                                              • KrisKross
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Jan 2006
                                                • 5025
                                                #162
                                                Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                Jace, there is no way that anyone can sanely support 3 minutes plus "clips" as promotional material. The fucking punters get off in that amount of time. Most of them don't need to pull out a CC because they blew thier load on the "sample" content and left the building.
                                                If you don't know what you're talking about, keep your mouth shut.

                                                On average, tube sites have put $2500/month in my pocket for the last 6 months. I have programs that pre-cut and brand clips for me to use. And the sales are 100% from Pornotube and similar sites.

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                                                  • playingwithmyself823
                                                    Registered User
                                                    • Aug 2007
                                                    • 83
                                                    #163
                                                    Originally posted by commonsense
                                                    Then you just answered the obvious question. Megarotic is FULL of stolen content, and they're charging heavily reduced subscription fees and receiving advertising revenue for doing it.


                                                    Quit confusing Web 2.0 with stealing content. I know it's a difficult concept to grasp, but they're two completely different things.
                                                    It has everything to do with web 2.0. You need to understand that one of the prices of web 2.0 vid sharing sites is Piracy! Video piracy is a natural user behavior! You find it on youtube, stage6, daily motion and 100 other tube sites as well as torrent sites! THIS DOES NOT MAKE THEM ILLEGAL and it does not eliminate the right of those sites to make money as a legit business. ironically you can see that many of the sponsors on those sites are right owner doing good business by selling their stuff (call it crazy - but this is the reality) It definitely changes the business rules - and this is what some of the loosers here fear!

                                                    DMCA is a principle many of you guys do not follow... this means that those sites do not get that many DMCA abuse emails - what makes it even harder for you guys to convince the world about your pathetic cause

                                                    Tube sites have piracy on them just as there is crime in any other social groups - this does not make them illegal! and you can not stop it from happening.

                                                    Now the other point is that if this "PIRACY" happens in that great of proportions - then we should question again whether its considered to be a crime ?

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                                                      • playingwithmyself823
                                                        Registered User
                                                        • Aug 2007
                                                        • 83
                                                        #164
                                                        Originally posted by chupacabra
                                                        oh gods, not you again. if all this business is so above board why don't you register w/ a nick that reflects the site(s) you really work w/ then..?
                                                        Yes... its me again! I know that you don't like me that much but you are always very interested in reading my posts I really enjoy talking with people like you! you bring me always to big nice smile - what do you want to know about me exactly? How big is my dick? what's the weight of my balls? what's the smell of my shit after I will eat bacon and eggs? What language I like to code? what are my favorite tube sites? what Bittorrent client do I use? What sites I sponsor? what is my next big project? or why do I disagree with pathetic business man as yourself? let me answer you - It really does not matter or change a thing!

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                                                          • Young
                                                            Bland for life
                                                            • Nov 2004
                                                            • 10468
                                                            #165
                                                            Originally posted by playingwithmyself823
                                                            I am fucking dumb, put me on your ignore list
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                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                Too old to care
                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                • 52942
                                                                #166
                                                                Originally posted by VG.Content
                                                                I take time out of my day each day to do it make phone calls do research etc. There are a few others as dedicated.
                                                                Which is why we need to get someone employed and doing it on a proper basis. The problem is most will sit back and watch you do it, not contribute and reap the benefits.



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                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                    • 52942
                                                                    #167
                                                                    It's good to see the way this thread has evolved and reality starting to dawn on people at last.

                                                                    A few points.

                                                                    The majority of the porn world does not need to shoot another video for around 5 years. There is more than enough content to satisfy normal demand.

                                                                    Contrary to popular belief, the porn consumer does not want to download 200 porn scenes, otherwise you would not see the fear that 5 minutes is enough to turn him off from buying.

                                                                    We sell a product for $30 that can be given away for free or for a lot less, $5 max in most cases. We do this not to make huge profits but to pay out $25 to the "traffic" side of the business. Please don't shoot the figures you know what I'm saying.

                                                                    The people running the Tube sites or even the Megarotic sites simply do not care if you go out of business. No one is in business to help others unless it helps them. If 1% could put the other 99% out of business, by slashing prices 99% they will do it. Some will even sign up to Acacia in the hope the patent was enforceable. When you opened your pornsites did you care that magazine publishers would suffer?

                                                                    We built it, we watched it go from 1-50 to 1-1,000, we pushed sponsors to give more and more to the traffic side and we sent traffic to people who quite honestly ripped off the surfer.

                                                                    We've had 10 years of running it to suit us, now some are running it to suit the surfer and taking it from us. Welcome to the real world.

                                                                    In the future you will be lucky to sell a membership for $5 and the affiliate will get 25 cents. Difference is there will be only 5% of us doing it and those left will make more money.



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                                                                      • MakingItPay
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                        • 1922
                                                                        #168
                                                                        "When you opened your pornsites did you care that magazine publishers would suffer?"

                                                                        We didn't steal their copyrighted work to open our websites. Well, most of us didn't.
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                                                                          • jonesonyou
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Sep 2003
                                                                            • 3853
                                                                            #169
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                                                                              • xmas13
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Dec 2004
                                                                                • 5176
                                                                                #170
                                                                                Originally posted by playingwithmyself823
                                                                                It has everything to do with web 2.0. You need to understand that one of the prices of web 2.0 vid sharing sites is Piracy! Video piracy is a natural user behavior! You find it on youtube, stage6, daily motion and 100 other tube sites as well as torrent sites! THIS DOES NOT MAKE THEM ILLEGAL
                                                                                This post made my day. Where did you read that piracy was not a crime? Do you live in Nigeria?

                                                                                Are you just a retard working for MegaErotic or one of their founders?

                                                                                You do a very poor job defending MegaErotic. YOU ARE FIRED!
                                                                                Last edited by xmas13; 08-24-2007, 05:27 AM.
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                                                                                  • xmas13
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Dec 2004
                                                                                    • 5176
                                                                                    #171
                                                                                    VG Content, you are my hero
                                                                                    Last edited by xmas13; 08-24-2007, 05:27 AM.
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                                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                        • 52942
                                                                                        #172
                                                                                        Originally posted by MakingItPay
                                                                                        "When you opened your pornsites did you care that magazine publishers would suffer?"

                                                                                        We didn't steal their copyrighted work to open our websites. Well, most of us didn't.
                                                                                        You must be a very new comer to the Internet then. LOL

                                                                                        Seriously most of the sites back in the beginning were stealing content from magazines or where ever else they could get it. When you emailed them and asked them to take it down or even pay for it they often ignored you. The popular reply was "It's from Newsgroups, so public domain." I tried for three months to sell to everyone I found stealing content. Gave up and let APIC send DMCAs to their hosts.

                                                                                        This illustrates the mentality of the morons today, can you imagine what it was like 15 years ago?

                                                                                        Tube sites have piracy on them just as there is crime in any other social groups - this does not make them illegal! and you can not stop it from happening.

                                                                                        Now the other point is that if this "PIRACY" happens in that great of proportions - then we should question again whether its considered to be a crime ?
                                                                                        However I was not talking about the theft issue, which is wrong, I'm talking about those who keep going on and on about the decline of the Internet porn business. When they really mean the decline of their income from the business.



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                                                                                          • Gerco
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Nov 2005
                                                                                            • 2052
                                                                                            #173
                                                                                            I for one hate my content being used in any way without my consent But an interesting argument came up on page 3 of this thread, where the affiliate was complaining about being about to compete with the tube style site, or the "deal the site may have made with the producer of the content. Bitching about the producers going and uploading promo's directly etc... interesting to me. Since as it stands right now, the affiliates in most cases are making more of the sale to a site membership than the actual site owner is. As a site owner, if I can promo myself and save myself that 50&#37; or more, I would be insane not to. The high revshare that many affiliates have come to expect is gotten out of hand in my book. Do I pay it, yes, I have to. I require traffic just like anyone else. But I'm I going to look for cheaper alternatives? you bet. I have to to even think about staying profitable. My profit is from the memberships only. You chop that membership fee up in affiliate fees processing business expense and it really leaves a VERY small margin. If I was a TGP owner, I would be worried about the tubesites also.
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                                                                                              • RawAlex
                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                • 9465
                                                                                                #174
                                                                                                Originally posted by playingwithmyself823
                                                                                                Thank you VG.Content for you explanation! can you ask those 20 people if they have send a DMCA notice to Megarotic? and if Megarotic has deleted for them the content?

                                                                                                I also suggest that Megarotic set up some moderators to police this types of content!
                                                                                                Megarotic has done no such thing. At best, they very slowly react to official DMCA notices, if your company is big enough or if they appear to feel like it, and even then, it is only for the specific file you have mentioned. They don't remove other instances and they do not remove it if it reappears.

                                                                                                Megarotic lost it's process for the same reason many other sites have lost their processing. They shouldn't have processing to start with, because there is no way that the site could pass a Visa or Mastercard inspection, as they would be unable to produce model releases and proof of age for their content.

                                                                                                Carry on deluding yourself dude. You really should put the crack pipe down.

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                                                                                                  • Robbie
                                                                                                    Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                    • Aug 2002
                                                                                                    • 20960
                                                                                                    #175
                                                                                                    Originally posted by playingwithmyself823
                                                                                                    Let me investigate this.. can you send me please 1-2 DMCAs you have posted to Megarotic?

                                                                                                    Cheers
                                                                                                    BWAAAAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAA!
                                                                                                    Yes, please...can you take time out of your 12 to 14 hour a day workday, and send some guy whom you don't know and who has NEVER even worked in this business some copies of personal legal papers? He would like to "investigate" it.

                                                                                                    For what? So you can get down to the bottom of all this and "fix" it with all of your "legal" piracy?

                                                                                                    I've already told you pal...you are ignorant. Not stupid. But IGNORANT of the internet. You are talking to people who have worked on the internet since the beginning. And you are TRYING to lecture them.

                                                                                                    How about this...stop embarrassing yourself. Open your eyes and shut your mouth and LEARN.

                                                                                                    I did. Of course that was a decade ago. I kept my mouth shut for YEARS.
                                                                                                    Instead of coming on here and making your grand pronouncements about things that you don't understand. Why don't you just kind of lay low. Ask questions RESPECTFULLY. There are some guys on here who are real smart.
                                                                                                    And then after a couple of years when you have seen how things REALLY shake out and how things REALLY work...or at least have some clue. THEN offer your OPINION RESPECTFULLY.

                                                                                                    This place would be well served if everyone followed that advice. But especially you.
                                                                                                    -Robbie
                                                                                                    ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                      • RawAlex
                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                        • 9465
                                                                                                        #176
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                        However I was not talking about the theft issue, which is wrong, I'm talking about those who keep going on and on about the decline of the Internet porn business. When they really mean the decline of their income from the business.
                                                                                                        Paul, if the pie is artificially made smaller, then everyone's income drops, except for the people who have figured out how to get a double helping, and those are the guys stealing and robbing everyone blind.

                                                                                                        Ask your friends in the magazine business, or ask the people in the DVD business - the internet really hurt their businesses, but the internet generated huge increases in total porn sales. I don't see the total porn pie getting bigger because of tube and torrent sites, but it is looking to be much, much smaller. More and more of the sales are going to third party non-producers, who are laughing at the people buying your content because it is an expense they don't have.

                                                                                                        You should know yourself. How much was an exclusive shoot 5 years ago? how much today? At a straight line, how much will it be tomorrow? At what point do even the relatively inexpensive girls of the Czech republic get to be too expensive for porn? Then what do you do for a living?

                                                                                                        The more content gets out for free, or is resold without license, the more the value of that content drops until few are going to pay for it. What is your business model at that point?

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                                                                                                          • Robbie
                                                                                                            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
                                                                                                            • Aug 2002
                                                                                                            • 20960
                                                                                                            #177
                                                                                                            And eventually, it doesn't pay to shoot new content...and POOF, no more porn industry. You're right, the torrents and piracy are eating the whole thing up like cancer. Including themselves.
                                                                                                            -Robbie
                                                                                                            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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                                                                                                              • Niktamer
                                                                                                                Lord of the Leads
                                                                                                                • May 2005
                                                                                                                • 3021
                                                                                                                #178
                                                                                                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Schmitz

                                                                                                                For those who dont know who is the owner of megarotic /megaupload

                                                                                                                he his already in probation for fraud , i really think you can take him down.

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                                                                                                                  • Niktamer
                                                                                                                    Lord of the Leads
                                                                                                                    • May 2005
                                                                                                                    • 3021
                                                                                                                    #179
                                                                                                                    He even pretend to beat youtube..

                                                                                                                    http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/08/07...youtube-killer

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                                                                                                                      • MakingItPay
                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                        • 1922
                                                                                                                        #180
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                        You must be a very new comer to the Internet then. LOL

                                                                                                                        Seriously most of the sites back in the beginning were stealing content from magazines or where ever else they could get it. When you emailed them and asked them to take it down or even pay for it they often ignored you. The popular reply was "It's from Newsgroups, so public domain." I tried for three months to sell to everyone I found stealing content. Gave up and let APIC send DMCAs to their hosts.

                                                                                                                        This illustrates the mentality of the morons today, can you imagine what it was like 15 years ago?



                                                                                                                        However I was not talking about the theft issue, which is wrong, I'm talking about those who keep going on and on about the decline of the Internet porn business. When they really mean the decline of their income from the business.
                                                                                                                        Been hating content theft since 1997. When you see work you paid for being sold by people that don't pay your bills and have no skin in the game all the while being protected and supported by big companies, you may have a right to go on and on. No?
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                                                                                                                          • hardcoreblogger
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Jul 2006
                                                                                                                            • 761
                                                                                                                            #181
                                                                                                                            great job VG, big congrats

                                                                                                                            Originally posted by playingwithmyself823
                                                                                                                            It has everything to do with web 2.0. You need to understand that one of the prices of web 2.0 vid sharing sites is Piracy! Video piracy is a natural user behavior! You find it on youtube, stage6, daily motion and 100 other tube sites as well as torrent sites! THIS DOES NOT MAKE THEM ILLEGAL and it does not eliminate the right of those sites to make money as a legit business. ironically you can see that many of the sponsors on those sites are right owner doing good business by selling their stuff (call it crazy - but this is the reality) It definitely changes the business rules - and this is what some of the loosers here fear!

                                                                                                                            DMCA is a principle many of you guys do not follow... this means that those sites do not get that many DMCA abuse emails - what makes it even harder for you guys to convince the world about your pathetic cause

                                                                                                                            Tube sites have piracy on them just as there is crime in any other social groups - this does not make them illegal! and you can not stop it from happening.

                                                                                                                            Now the other point is that if this "PIRACY" happens in that great of proportions - then we should question again whether its considered to be a crime ?
                                                                                                                            dude you're full of shit and you don't have a clue about the law. you better go back to play in your kindergarden.


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                                                                                                                              • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                Too old to care
                                                                                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                • 52942
                                                                                                                                #182
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Gerco
                                                                                                                                I for one hate my content being used in any way without my consent But an interesting argument came up on page 3 of this thread, where the affiliate was complaining about being about to compete with the tube style site, or the "deal the site may have made with the producer of the content. Bitching about the producers going and uploading promo's directly etc... interesting to me. Since as it stands right now, the affiliates in most cases are making more of the sale to a site membership than the actual site owner is. As a site owner, if I can promo myself and save myself that 50% or more, I would be insane not to. The high revshare that many affiliates have come to expect is gotten out of hand in my book. Do I pay it, yes, I have to. I require traffic just like anyone else. But I'm I going to look for cheaper alternatives? you bet. I have to to even think about staying profitable. My profit is from the memberships only. You chop that membership fee up in affiliate fees processing business expense and it really leaves a VERY small margin. If I was a TGP owner, I would be worried about the tubesites also.
                                                                                                                                Very good point. For ages everyone accepted that sponsors drove their own traffic and affiliates was "cream on the top" and the majority of costs were met without the affiliates. Now it seems some affiliates don't want sponsors to drive traffic.

                                                                                                                                Affiliates, understand this without getting your backs up. THE INDUSTRY IS NOT HERE FOR YOUR BENEFIT. Cost too much and you leave us open to competition from those without affiliates or print your own death warrant.



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                                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                                                                    #183
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                                                    Paul, if the pie is artificially made smaller, then everyone's income drops, except for the people who have figured out how to get a double helping, and those are the guys stealing and robbing everyone blind.

                                                                                                                                    Ask your friends in the magazine business, or ask the people in the DVD business - the internet really hurt their businesses, but the internet generated huge increases in total porn sales. I don't see the total porn pie getting bigger because of tube and torrent sites, but it is looking to be much, much smaller. More and more of the sales are going to third party non-producers, who are laughing at the people buying your content because it is an expense they don't have.

                                                                                                                                    You should know yourself. How much was an exclusive shoot 5 years ago? how much today? At a straight line, how much will it be tomorrow? At what point do even the relatively inexpensive girls of the Czech republic get to be too expensive for porn? Then what do you do for a living?

                                                                                                                                    The more content gets out for free, or is resold without license, the more the value of that content drops until few are going to pay for it. What is your business model at that point?
                                                                                                                                    I have fought content theft longer than anyone in this thread so please don't assume I'm for it.

                                                                                                                                    But if the income into the porn industry shrinks the lean and fit survive, the fat and lazy become die.

                                                                                                                                    Unless we are prepared to spend a lot of money fighting content theft we can't stop them stealing. It's not good you relying on people like VG content to do our job for us for free.

                                                                                                                                    And lets assume we do stop them stealing, then what will happen? They will buy and license content. I think someone is offering 300 videos for $2500 on this board at this very moment.



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                                                                                                                                      • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                        Too old to care
                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                        • 52942
                                                                                                                                        #184
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by MakingItPay
                                                                                                                                        Been hating content theft since 1997. When you see work you paid for being sold by people that don't pay your bills and have no skin in the game all the while being protected and supported by big companies, you may have a right to go on and on. No?
                                                                                                                                        I was a paid up member of APIC since 1992 if my memory serves me right. I have no problem paying and supporting an organisation today to do the same thing.

                                                                                                                                        I do not see stopping content theft as the problem though. The problem is, it is becoming easier to sell porn at a price that does not support the affiliate machine we have built. As more and more sites see traffic going to far cheaper options for the surfer this part of the porn industry will need to take stock and adjust.

                                                                                                                                        I can deliver a site with 5 videos good enough to enjoy for $1.00, so $2.00 to make a good profit. Am I better off selling that to 100 than 1 $30 site to 1 surfer? Don't gripe about the numbers, you know what I'm talking about.



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                                                                                                                                          • J B
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                                                                                                                                            • May 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 1804
                                                                                                                                            #185
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Niktamer
                                                                                                                                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Schmitz

                                                                                                                                            For those who dont know who is the owner of megarotic /megaupload

                                                                                                                                            he his already in probation for fraud , i really think you can take him down.
                                                                                                                                            Why am I not surprised...


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                                                                                                                                              • RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                • 9465
                                                                                                                                                #186
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                I was a paid up member of APIC since 1992 if my memory serves me right. I have no problem paying and supporting an organisation today to do the same thing.

                                                                                                                                                I do not see stopping content theft as the problem though. The problem is, it is becoming easier to sell porn at a price that does not support the affiliate machine we have built. As more and more sites see traffic going to far cheaper options for the surfer this part of the porn industry will need to take stock and adjust.

                                                                                                                                                I can deliver a site with 5 videos good enough to enjoy for $1.00, so $2.00 to make a good profit. Am I better off selling that to 100 than 1 $30 site to 1 surfer? Don't gripe about the numbers, you know what I'm talking about.
                                                                                                                                                Paul, you miss the point entirely. When torrent and tube sites are giving away more than enough content to get the punters off, they aren't spending $30 and they aren't spending $1 either. You aren't choosing between "this and that" but "something or nothing".

                                                                                                                                                It is all about the costs of obtaining new customers. If it costs you $5 to find a new customer, then making $1 off of them isn't going to do it for you. The costs of obtaining new customers is always higher than retaining existing ones. Making it harder to find new customers makes it even more expensive each time.

                                                                                                                                                It is the reason why established dating sites like AFF can make huge payouts, because they are only paying for new first time members, not returning members and not existing members. So As they get a bigger and bigger percentage of the like customers signed up once, their business model becomes more about retention, and paying huge dollars to get a declining number of new customers. They are using the torrent and tube sites to do it, they are the only ones able to consistantly pay high dollars for new users.

                                                                                                                                                If you teach people not to pay for porn, the number of people who will pay for it gets small and smaller, and they become infinitely more valuable, not less.

                                                                                                                                                Allowing the tubes and torrents to freely distribute stolen material and paying them to do it is fucking insane and suicidal.

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                                                                                                                                                  • Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                    Too old to care
                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2001
                                                                                                                                                    • 52942
                                                                                                                                                    #187
                                                                                                                                                    No Alex you don't get it.

                                                                                                                                                    Unless you are prepared to SPEND and SPEND, which I doubt you are and if you did it still would not work. The business is changing. The days of spending $25 to get a customer who by your own admission is looking for something that can be delivered for free, are drawing to a close.

                                                                                                                                                    Please forget the stealing it's blinding you. I can go out and buy 500 movies today for $3,000 and never have to bother with a DMCA, my billing being pulled, lawyer, FBI or anything else. I can deliver those movies for 3 cents a time in a good quality, well good enough to jerk off to.

                                                                                                                                                    Truth is the porn consumer is not looking to download 100 movies, if you ran a site and knew the BW burn of the MEMBERS AREA you would know this. He wants 20 minutes, that can be compressed and delivered for free or at a price that HE WILL PAY because of the ease and speed.

                                                                                                                                                    To sustain the affiliate model we need exclusive content, servers to handle the free traffic, people to upload the free content, galleries, banners, RSS, FHGs, tools, free Chameleon and everything else, we then need people to design them, people to support affiliates, throw parties at shows, buy banners and pay out 50% to what ever %, plus $100 sign up Sundays. And to cap it all affiliates are now telling sponsors what they can and can't do to get traffic.

                                                                                                                                                    Sorry but welcome to a changing world.

                                                                                                                                                    I will keep my main paysite going as it always has and support my affiliates. But for tomorrow and my families future I will be putting up sites at a price the surfer is willing to pay. Will he pay $2 for 4 movies? I believe he will because I have faith in him and know what he wants.

                                                                                                                                                    And please don't scare me with BS about downloading all my site and giving it away for free. Or the surfer will not pay for anything. I've heard it already and have more faith.

                                                                                                                                                    What ever happens the last few months have proved there is another way. And every surfer that discovers a site delivering what he needs at a price he likes is another one less for the old model.



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                                                                                                                                                      • fuzzylogic
                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                        • 4796
                                                                                                                                                        #188
                                                                                                                                                        this thread has some good reading. bump to share the wealth lol

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                                                                                                                                                          • Sausage
                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                            • 3012
                                                                                                                                                            #189
                                                                                                                                                            The thing is that the affiliate who relies on other's traffic is being squeezed out. Whether you submit to tgps, tubes, linklists, picposts whatever ... there is less traffic for you, less quality, and often you are having to pay for it. This is the main thing you will see with tube sites, because while many take submits, once they become a standard of free porn delivery then you will probably find the 5k programs desperate for traffic will be cutting out the middle man, and thats where you will see the damage in the industry. Tube sites simply don't have to be affiliate friendly and maybe thats the issue for most adult webmasters.

                                                                                                                                                            Fact is people its getting harder for those who merely insert themselves between a traffic source and a traffic destination and hold out their hand for payment. This process makes sense on a business level, and already paid submit accounts are standard for anyone with traffic. Seeing as probably 80&#37; of this industry relies on other's traffic, I think thats probably where a large part of the hostility is coming from.
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                                                                                                                                                              • RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                • 9465
                                                                                                                                                                #190
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                                                                                                                No Alex you don't get it.

                                                                                                                                                                Unless you are prepared to SPEND and SPEND, which I doubt you are and if you did it still would not work. The business is changing. The days of spending $25 to get a customer who by your own admission is looking for something that can be delivered for free, are drawing to a close.

                                                                                                                                                                Please forget the stealing it's blinding you. I can go out and buy 500 movies today for $3,000 and never have to bother with a DMCA, my billing being pulled, lawyer, FBI or anything else. I can deliver those movies for 3 cents a time in a good quality, well good enough to jerk off to.
                                                                                                                                                                It doesn't matter if you deliver those movies for 1 cent. If you have no model in place to recover that 1 cent and to make 1 more cent for profit, you have failed.

                                                                                                                                                                The same 500 movies you can buy for $3000 have already been ripped, encoded, compresses, and distributed 100 times over on the torrents. They are probably all over the 'tube sites as well, and they are being trades amoungst friends over and over again for free.

                                                                                                                                                                Thinking that you can VOD this stuff for even $1 is a nice idea, but the reality is as every day goes by, there are more and more people who know how to get porn off of a torrent, and less and less people wanting to pay for porn. The customer base for porn is basically people too stupid or too scared to download a torrent file or too ignorant to do a search on google and visit a tube site.

                                                                                                                                                                The more this goes on, the less need there is for everyone in the food chain. Affiliates drop off, programs die, demand for fresh content drops, and people like yourself are cut out of the game (except for sites you run yourself) and the return on those sites gets smaller.

                                                                                                                                                                Don't worry about it. Go ahead and dump all your content on the tubes and enjoy the signups you get. They won't last.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                    • 9465
                                                                                                                                                                    #191
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sausage
                                                                                                                                                                    Tube sites simply don't have to be affiliate friendly and maybe thats the issue for most adult webmasters.
                                                                                                                                                                    It is an issue because tube style sites are like a hyper-affiliate, and are granted special rights that normal affiliates don't have. If I ran videos for 3 or 4 minutes "borrowed" off the site, or stitched together 20 second clips to make a 2 minute run, I would likely be removed as an affiliate. These sites are rewarded for the same thing.

                                                                                                                                                                    The affiliate system is getting squeezed, without any guidelines and without any loyalty from the programs that were built on affiliate efforts.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Aussie Rebel
                                                                                                                                                                        Blow Me U Geeks
                                                                                                                                                                        • Aug 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 5108
                                                                                                                                                                        #192
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                                        It doesn't matter if you deliver those movies for 1 cent. If you have no model in place to recover that 1 cent and to make 1 more cent for profit, you have failed.

                                                                                                                                                                        The same 500 movies you can buy for $3000 have already been ripped, encoded, compresses, and distributed 100 times over on the torrents. They are probably all over the 'tube sites as well, and they are being trades amoungst friends over and over again for free.

                                                                                                                                                                        Thinking that you can VOD this stuff for even $1 is a nice idea, but the reality is as every day goes by, there are more and more people who know how to get porn off of a torrent, and less and less people wanting to pay for porn. The customer base for porn is basically people too stupid or too scared to download a torrent file or too ignorant to do a search on google and visit a tube site.

                                                                                                                                                                        The more this goes on, the less need there is for everyone in the food chain. Affiliates drop off, programs die, demand for fresh content drops, and people like yourself are cut out of the game (except for sites you run yourself) and the return on those sites gets smaller.

                                                                                                                                                                        Don't worry about it. Go ahead and dump all your content on the tubes and enjoy the signups you get. They won't last.
                                                                                                                                                                        Alex, talking to paul about torrent sites is like trying to have a conversation with your foot,

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                                                                                                                                                                          • RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                            • 9465
                                                                                                                                                                            #193
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Aussie Rebel
                                                                                                                                                                            Alex, talking to paul about torrent sites is like trying to have a conversation with your foot,
                                                                                                                                                                            I just don't want anyone reading this thread to think that all content providers have that opinion. I enjoy Paul's opinion, but unless what I am being told is wrong, most content providers aren't on the same page as him.

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                                                                                                                                                                              • EdgeXXX
                                                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                • 5816
                                                                                                                                                                                #194
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Niktamer
                                                                                                                                                                                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Schmitz

                                                                                                                                                                                For those who dont know who is the owner of megarotic /megaupload

                                                                                                                                                                                he his already in probation for fraud , i really think you can take him down.

                                                                                                                                                                                I know who that asshat is; the guy is a fucking joke. Are you sure he is the one behind Megarotic? I have a hard time believing he could be the mastermind behind anything that's even mildly successful...
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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Sausage
                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 3012
                                                                                                                                                                                    #195
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                                                    It is an issue because tube style sites are like a hyper-affiliate, and are granted special rights that normal affiliates don't have. If I ran videos for 3 or 4 minutes "borrowed" off the site, or stitched together 20 second clips to make a 2 minute run, I would likely be removed as an affiliate. These sites are rewarded for the same thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                    The affiliate system is getting squeezed, without any guidelines and without any loyalty from the programs that were built on affiliate efforts.
                                                                                                                                                                                    I accept that, though they aren't the first. The larger review sites are also like hyper affiliates, and I recall a thread by Steve Lightspeed some time ago where it was mentioned that they do special deals with programs for reduced prices essentially undercutting normal affiliates. Different cause, but essentially the same result.... and not just the domain of tube style sites.

                                                                                                                                                                                    Also as a program owner who in the early days spent many many hours with many newbie affiliates working with them and helping them build their sales only to have them up and leave at the mere sniff of a better offer ... there is little loyalty in this industry.
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • s9ann0
                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 4873
                                                                                                                                                                                        #196
                                                                                                                                                                                        https://secure.commercegate.com/paym...ssword=7260656

                                                                                                                                                                                        works

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • s9ann0
                                                                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 4873
                                                                                                                                                                                            #197
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Niktamer
                                                                                                                                                                                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Schmitz

                                                                                                                                                                                            For those who dont know who is the owner of megarotic /megaupload

                                                                                                                                                                                            he his already in probation for fraud , i really think you can take him down.
                                                                                                                                                                                            oh god I hate that fat fuck don't tempt me

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • BAKO
                                                                                                                                                                                                Don’t be a short Imp
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 18482
                                                                                                                                                                                                #198
                                                                                                                                                                                                good work
                                                                                                                                                                                                Global Traffic Acquisition & Monetization
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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • s9ann0
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Sep 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 4873
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #199
                                                                                                                                                                                                    looks like megarotic has about 3 hosts:

                                                                                                                                                                                                    carpathiahost.com
                                                                                                                                                                                                    alphared.com

                                                                                                                                                                                                    based in US for frontend servers

                                                                                                                                                                                                    fiberring.com in .NL where the movies are streamed from

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 18481
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #200
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                                                                        When torrent and tube sites are giving away more than enough content to get the punters off, they aren't spending $30 and they aren't spending $1 either. You aren't choosing between "this and that" but "something or nothing".
                                                                                                                                                                                                        If that is the case, then how do the tube sites remain in business? If the paid advertisements do not generate sales, then why do the same companies continue to purchase advertising?

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