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Too many old people out there for a woman or black guy to get in. They might get a lot of press but when it comes time to vote, they will lose most of middle america. If the dems don't pick someone like edwards, they don't stand a chance.you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..Comment
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WARNING: SERIOUS DISCUSSION . . . . Obama
He is on the Daily Show
do you ever read what you write?
the Daily Show??????????
the Comedy Channel should give you your own show.
you have talent.
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None?
Obviously not
I remember a few months ago when I first became aware of him. I thought, "this guy has some potential on down the road. Give him 8 years."
I was amazed that he suddenly became a front-runner.
Sad, because it just means a Republican will win if he gets the nod.
I think it had more to do with the fact that they had already worked together in TX (as I recall).
I can only imagine.
You ever see the show? You think just because it is the Daily Show they can't have a serious discussion?Comment
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Yes I know that. WTF does that have to do with my points on Obama in teh general election? NONTHING. So why be an ass?
Once again do you have a point?The democratic candidate does get 90% of the black vote, but how many blacks vote? Very few, they don't have anyone to vote for, they haven't since Kennedy.
Whites still outnumber blacks in the south last time I checked. As I said Edwards/Richardson. Richardson can bring in the hispanic vote. Last time I checked there are more hispanics than blacks.At the same time if Obama is the nominee black turnout in the south will be enormous, there will be states in play that would never otherwise be.Comment
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like it or not i would put my money on this lineup in the whitehouse:
hillary (president) because folks really want Bill back in the big house
obama (vp)
or long shot edwards as vpComment
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independent thinker
What are you then?
First you claim to know how every "black" person in this country is going to vote.
Then you claim to know how every Latino is going vote in this country.
And, presume to know how every "white" is going to vote in this country.
I guess you think you speak for everyone.Comment
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Allow me to play Devils advocate. Our current president pretty mush spent most of his young life chasing pussy and getting drunk/high (not that there is anything wrong with that). He then tried to go into business and even with big money backing from his family and their friends he failed. So he ran for governor of Texas and won. Under Bush Texas ranked last in environmental quality and in the bottom five in strength of economy and quality of education. So the only elected position he has ever had he failed at and that didn't stop him from getting elected twice.
A lack of experience can be an asset if played correctly. A Ross Perot once famously said when asked during a debate about his experience, "You are right, I don't have any experience in how to run up a 4 trillion dollar debt."
If he had been in the senate for years and years he could have a voting record (like Kerry) that he had to constantly defend. Without one he will have little to question in his past. Also, he connects with the younger voters. He does this in the same way Bill Clinton did it during his first campaign and those young voters put him in the white house.
I'm not saying he will win or that he would be a good president, but he can win and his lack of experience is not as big of a deal as a lot of people think. Right now it is the only dirt they have on him so they are flinging it.Comment
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For the record I see I the election playing out like this:
Hilary gets the nod from the democrats and Rudy gets the nod from the republicans and in a very close election Rudy pulls out the win.Comment
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I think its too early on both sides to pick someone.There are a bunch hiding in the wings who may run. Perot actually had a chance if he hadnt pulled out and then came back in. The one I would like to see run is Bloomberg, he can throw 500 mil of his own to run so he will owe no one if he went in. That type of president can create real change. Also he is a jew so none of the evangelical bullshit.Ron Paul is interesting but there is no way he is going to be the Republicans choice.Comment
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Oh man, you're really fucking reaching on this one.
His name is Bobby Jindal, and his popularity in this state is insane.
To say he lost because of his ethnicity is ridiculous.
He's the congressman for a lilly white affluent district and ran for reelection unopposed.
Blanco won, barely, but it had nothing to do with Jindal's ethnicity.sig too bigComment
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You said "obama is from illionois which always votes democrat, so he brings nothing to the table"
I was pointing out that Hillary's geography doesn't bring any new states to the table either.
Yes but you were too dumb to see it so I'll type really slow this time.
More black people will register to vote and then vote for Obama on election day than would otherwise vote in this election.
Therefore Obama will receive more votes overall by virtue of MATH!
Whites do outnumber the blacks in the south, but most of the white voters in the south are evangelicals who are going to have nobody to vote for if someone like Rudy gets nominated.
In the meantime the black and young turnout in the south will be huge and you'll see some upsets in those states.sig too bigComment
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He still has time to change skin color.Comment
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I just hope the dumb ass people who voted for bush TWICE finally see their mistake and dont vote for such a fuckup again. But i doubt it, if they voted twice for that sack of shit they're just retarded. Make the right decision this time for a fucking change and we all benefit from it... yes it will be fucking hard to clean up the mess bush left behind, but i bet with a non-conservative the economy will finally become better... although ive kinda lost hope for the dollar.Comment
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I know that 92% of blacks voted for Keyy and Gore. So I'm prety sure the Dem nominee will get significantly more votes than the GOP candidate.
Latino typically vote Dem. Typical republican caniddate can expect 20-25% of hispanic vote. Bush for whatever reason got 35-40%. Last time I checked he's not running again.Then you claim to know how every Latino is going vote in this country.
America isn't ready for a woman or black president. Sad but true.And, presume to know how every "white" is going to vote in this country.
I guess you think you speak for everyone.Comment
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I just watched the same interview.
I think he was arguing the point of "experience," and how it factors into people's expectations.... I don' t think he was saying anything about his future cabinet at all... experienced or unexperienced.
I think his point was simply that when people talk about experience, they don't really care about whether or not the person has "experience"... but rather want to know how sound the person's judgement may be.
And he used Rumsfield and Cheney to illustrate that even though they had a bunch of experience, their judgement may not have been as sound as the country needed it to be.
He was trying to make the point that even though he doesn't have the experience that doesn't mean he doesn't have the qualification for the job... which seems to be a mainstay point in the press.
As far as who his future cabinet could be... I figure that's another matter entirely.-D.
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She has a great resume, actually. She's a complete puppet, but that doesn't mean she's not accomplished anything. She's a remarkable person that sold out.Comment
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I agree with his point that having a long resume doesn't make you a competant leader, but neither does having a short one make you a better choice for the job.
I think he was terribly dull on The Daily Show, personally, and that like Kerry, Jon Stewert pitched him a slow ball, and he bunted.
I think America needs a LEADER. Someone that will inspire it's citizens, and make them proud again. Not a leader that will make us travellers tell people in foriegn lands that they are from Canada....
I'm sad to say that I can't really see any great leaderss emerging from either side. I see people getting elected as an alternative to what we have now, but that's not good enough. Lethal injection is an alternative to the electric chair, but the end result is pretty much the same, no?Comment
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Bush is a creation out of whole cloth. The entire family has been formed and molded into "leadership" material, and for the most part they aren't really leaders, but puppets for the guys in the back pulling the strings. Karl Rove won the last election, but the people foolishly though they were voting for Bush.
Lack of experience is one of those things. Nobody wants to fly with a pilot on his first day, nobody wants the to get an operation from the intern, and so on. Experience is something that nobody wants to be earned against them. The Senate and the house are the places where politicians can get all their stupid stuff out, and refine their message and their goals based on the reality of Washington and modern politics. Obama ain't got much of that going for him.
He really would make a great VP at this point. Clinton - Obama ticket would likely be a sure win, giving the first woman president and a "black" VP, which would appeal heavily to the democratic voters, and would allow them to run a more middle of the road message which would get the swing voters. Republicans have nobody out there at this point that can do much with the swing vote, IMHO.Comment
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strange definition
People have black skin? I didn't know that was possible.
So, if someone gets a tan, they are black?
Are Indians black?
What is the cutoff point for brown skin?
So, are Japanese considered "white" along with Iranians?
The way people use "black" and "white" you'd think it was an either-or type thing like male or female.
Is "black" and "white" defined by skin color, culture, or genetics?
Does anyone really know?Comment
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Yeah, right. What, Rudy for Prez? Maybe another actor instead? Fred for Prez?
The republicans have a simple issue: Nobody on their side at this point is electable as is. Either they are far to the end of the political spectrum, or they have tons of baggage that no sane republican could vote for.
What sort of ticket do you think the Repubs could put on the table that would have a hope?Comment
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I will fully agree that a Clinton ticket with Obama as the VP would be the best possible case for the democrats. One of the democrats problems is that the far left often doesn't vote. A ticket with a woman and a black guy might actually activate them and get them to the polls.Comment
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What difference does it make? Just because you vote in the US you think you have democracy? Last time i checked, buying senators and other politicians did not include in the word "democracy".
Its funny. Now the US wants to bring democracy to Iraq. What the fuck does the US know about democracy? Check the democracy index on wikipedia, you arent even in top 10.
You all seriously think that it will make a difference if hillary or obama is a president? Thats just sad. You should know better. Clinton has more blood on his hands then Bush at the moment, the difference is that Bush went into war and Bill put out sanctions that killed millions of children. Same result, just different ways.Comment
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Just the fact that you started a thread about him speaks for itself.
I haven't seen too many Mit Romney threads as of late.Comment
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