Why does pornorip still have the aff code there for the affiliate that is suspended? seems like a temporary move rather than an actual account cancellation. The affiliate is ready to just uncomment the hidden html and turn that banner back on?
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Here is the AFF plan of action:
Pretty amazing isn't it?HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
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I am betting you are exactly correct. How do you communicate with all of these sites and have them filter out any video with "paris" or "hilton" in the name, and to patrol their sites for any similarly named files.
AFF won't walk away from this traffic unless they are forced to by court order, IMHO.Comment
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I am going to revise my opinion of this matter...
XPAYS MIGHT, MIGHT have a case if they took it to court.
What XPAYS is claiming is far reaching at best but possible. It would take a court to really find out the matter.
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Even if you do not directly infringe any of the exclusive rights in copyright, you may be guilty of indirect copyright infringement as either a “contributory infringer” or a “vicarious infringer” if you help somebody else infringe. The two concepts are somewhat similar, and often someone can be both a contributory infringer and a vicarious infringer. Although these concepts are not part of the Copyright Act of 1976, the Supreme Court has borrowed contributory infringement from the patent statute and noted that vicarious liability is common in the law.
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Contributory infringement results when somebody knows of the direct infringement of another and substantially participates in that infringement, such as inducing, causing, or materially contributing to the infringing conduct. That substantial participation could take the form of providing a device or service that facilitates the infringement if that device or service has no substantial use other than infringement. In the classic case on contributory infringement, the Supreme Court’s 1984 “Betamax” decision, {FN75: Sony v. Universal City Studios, 464 U.S. 417, 220 USPQ 665 (1984)} the Court held that Sony was not a contributory infringer by selling VCRs because there was a number of uses for the VCR (including time-shifting of a broadcast program for personal use) that would not infringe copyright.
This is from Digital Law Online, an attorney friend of mine sent me this.Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 08-21-2007, 02:07 PM.
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why would an affiliate get terminated but leave the sponsor codes up and hidden?
any affiliate we have ever terminated removes all our codes and motherfucks us for life.
why is that affiliate code still on pornorip.net?
did somebody at aff tell the affiliate to Pause? obviously AFF and the pornorip affiliate are in communication and there is something there.
what does that mean the webmaster's expectation is? does aff have a hand in it?
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alien there is also "unfair competition" "damage to reputation" and other possible issues to evaluate if you are looking at it from that perspective fyi.InterNext Expo Domain Auction Live Now thru Feb 5
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Evan I would say they are talking to thier attornies and deciding on a position before doing anything.
I am thinking they will do nothing, after all this particular thing is all over the net. It's not just a torrent thing or Video Site thing and hardly even a Paris Hilton thing. AFF paying for referrals to an affiliate like everyone else that sends traffic can hardly be called an infringer or a contributory infringer.
What the situation may as well be is a Paris Hilton Page with the video footage embedded in it with a link to AFF. Sure its fucked up but still may not be contributory infringement. As nuts as that sounds thats how the law reads.
A COntributory Infringer would be the Host.Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 08-21-2007, 02:19 PM.
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why are the redlight district videos still up on pornorip?
there is still a whole page there.
blame the content submitters all you want but aff is sticking its head in the sand. those links and pages and boxcovers cannot exist on these sites.
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what about the mod-rewrite on the pornorip-made pages for the studios? the user's of the site created that too? it helps with seo for the main site though-
aff needs to immediately cease advertising or taking traffic from a torrent site - period.
they are hypocrits and should not take the torrent traffic. their whole rationalization is faulty.
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You there is some blood in the water when the sharks are offering to take it on contingency...HomegrownCash.com, the affiliate program of Homegrown Video - The Largest Collection of Amateur XXX - Est. 1982.
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Obviously you don't get it. The companies that finance the operation, that provide the method for turning traffic into money are contributing to the infringement. If the torrent sites and file share sites had no sponsors on their pages, they would not exist for very long (see history of Fusker for more on that).
Companies like AFF that knowingly support these sites (IMHO) risk being found not only as being contributory to the infringment, but in fact a defacto partner and beneficiary of the infringment. Look at it as a conspiracy to violate copyright, or look at it as a potenial RICO offence. Getting a third party to do the heavy liftings (running the torrent site) doesn't relieve the other people in the game from responsiblity.
Remember too: If this was taken to court, it would be a civil manner - the standards for civil cases is way lower than criminal cases (see OJ Simpson for an example). Criminal is beyond a reasonable doubt, civil is more showing cause and relationships.
I wish AFF and their laywers luck if they aren't smart enough to get themselves off of the torrent sites in a reasonable time frame and stay off them for the forseeable future.Comment
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sadly, there is a lot in life that he doesn't get.
lets not waste time explaining the obvious facts and black and white laws and case law. with Alien, efforts are best focused on encouraging him to stop eating the Elmers glue and finger paint, not to run with scissors and to always make sure he puts his helmet on before he leaves the house.Last edited by Pleasurepays; 08-21-2007, 06:46 PM.Comment
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so aff finally gave us a contact who deals with affiliate abuse.
they also counter-proposed sending the clarification letter to only the affiliates we send/sent them notices on.
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finally giving you a contact = stall tactic
2nd part = just as I predicted - just enough to get them off your back - don't settle - this is a fight that needs to be fought through to the end or within 2 weeks you'll be seeing exactly the same shit.. as they have absolutely no intention of changing their core traffic strategy
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AFF has made tons of money from the adult industry, and they have used the adult industry to build their business (unless they want to deny purchasing stock photos of models to use on some of their profiles).
They helped create the paradigm of torrent sites that deal in knowingly stolen content by underwriting their operations through ad and affiliate sales. If they did not know this, it is only because they chose not to know - but I don't think Andrew and Lars are stupid - conniving and slimy, yes - but not stupid.
They have abused the trust and good faith of everyone whose copyrighted content has been abused, and from whose stolen content they have profited from, while contributing to copyright abuse by funding and enabling such enterprises, both as a Sponsor to abusing Affiliates and through direct ad sales.
I would say shame on them, but from what I can tell (as evidenced by the silence of Lars, Andrew, et al in this thread), they know no shame...
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I think AFF is being treated unfairly in this. Many companies have banners and ad's that appear with Stolen content.
You guys are throwing rocks at glass houses.
Check out any number of free sites, TGP's, Galleries, Blogs, traffic trades, banner trades, hell even membership sites that house stolen content. Hell try and make every TGP 2257 compliant. NOT GONNA HAPPEN! Never can happen, even if it were law. THe same goes for stolen content and ad's that go with em.
There is a ton of it out there, while having an ad appear in conjunction with stolen content maybe looked down upon its somthing that can hardly be enforced and still yet remains to be found out by law or court.
Would be interesting to see what a court finding would be.
But until then and until all this can be enforced many of you asking for something that is the lesser of two evils.Last edited by AlienQ - BANNED FOR LIFE; 08-22-2007, 01:28 AM.
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Are you people going to start attacking BLOG's next?
That may link from a video site or even a remote location that may not even be a VIdeo Site using an embed that has ad's appear on the blog?
You know alot of that is out there, why not start hitting them guys out also?
How about the Thumbs on TGPs? Many TGP's out there cater to Beast and CP and stolen content. Yet your ad's appear on those sites, hell you may even buy ad space from those sites.
How far does this witch hunt go?
It can go pretty far and what would there be left?
Only a handful of venues where it is legal to promote.
A new industry where ad rates will increase over 100 Fold and only a few guys you can go to then beg and pay for the slightest promotion on a 100% LEGAL GLOBAL platform.
Take down GOogle, Youtube for what they do. oops there goes alot of traffic down the drain while only a few guys rake in mad amounts of cash.
In short many of you have no idea what you are asking for in any of this.
My scenerio may seem draconian but it is putting pressure on an already delicate fabric we call the world wide web.
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How many of you relie on spammers Almost all of you do or have at one point and most continue to do so.
Yup, illegal emails being sent using content. Content being used illegally to induce a sale. Thats right, little kids are seeing the shit many adults that wish it would stop being sent see it and many of you profit from it.
Yup and thats been found to be illegal...
Yet many of you still do it.
Infact thats how Evan got his start way back in the day.
Many of you do not know that he was one of the biggest bulk emailers in the country do ya?
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Hypocrits.
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AlienQ> Your suggestion sounds good to go after everybody, that use illegal or stolen content
This doesnt sound bad, you run things legal right? so you would be one of those collecting 100 x more in advertising income, why are you complaining about that?A new industry where ad rates will increase over 100 Fold and only a few guys you can go to then beg and pay for the slightest promotion on a 100% LEGAL GLOBAL platform.
This is also a very interesting point, mayby a lawyer can clarify if this count for US laws too ( I would think it does)
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So your answer is that because other people do it, it's ok that AFF does it? I will agree with one thing, AFF has taken all the blame for content theft which is unfair. There are a lot of other companies that have ads up on torrent sites and don't give a shit.
And stolen content will never be completely killed off. But people can put a dent in the industry by killing off potential revenue sources for them. With every revenue source that is removed, their ability to profit goes down. With every site that is removed, there is one less place for a surfer to find content free. While the music industry hasn't been able to stop it, they have been able to slow it down.
As for the law and how it will play out, only time will tell. My gut says that we will see precedent set soon that will outlaw making profit off illegal activities. You currently can't be an affiliate for a poker site in the US (you can but it's illegal). I'd also imagine that Dominos wouldn't be able to get by paying drug dealers to put coupons in their baggies of weed. In the end someone is profiting off of something illegal. Something that belongs to someone else.Comment
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I don't think that AFF has taken all the blame. I just think that, like Zango, Lars has come out and made statements that are (IMHO) very arrogant and "fuck you" to the very people who would normally be his affiliates. Anyone with half a brain should have realized by now that AFF has generally told the adult buisness to bend over and get it in the ass from them. The stupid part is that a few people here are making enough money with them that they are in a rush to lube up and bend over.
AFF isn't the only company with dirt on their hands from this, but they are the most public and most arrogant on the matter. All their donations to charity, all thier contest threads, all financed in part by running ads on torrent sites, which means they end up near stolen content, CP, etc. We may be a bunch of profiteering assholes at time, but even the dumb ones in our buisness know that making money off of CP in any manner is a bad idea.
At this point, AFF shouldn't be welcomed by the adult industry, rather they should be looked on as the emeny that steals from the business and attempts to drag us down to their poor business morals.Comment
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AFF isnt getting all the blame but since everytime Im told my site has been ripped and is on a BT. Its surrounded by AFF ads, they have large percent of ads on sites that allow stolen content. Q is a very smart guy he knows that they are helping fund content theft. 95 percent of the BT model is based on content theft,we all know that. It is a great technology but right now its being used for to make money off other people's work.
If you make money in adult and to defend them is really silly.Comment
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the interesting thing is that if XPays could pull out of all mail and get the word out to the point where we had zero mail in 24 hrs from pulling out- all torrent sponsors could pullout and be done with them in 24 hrs too. XPays has not had a drop of mail in almost 5 years. the laws changed just as they are on the topic of torrents. Lastly, the torrent sponsors will learn the same expensive lesson as we did.
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AFF has long since made their bed, and now they are laying in it. The real key here is getting adult companies to shun them, for adult industry groups to move away from them, and for adult websites to stop promoting them. if they want torrent traffic so bad, they can have it. But then they can't have adult traffic.
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