AFF Contributory Infringement on The Paris Hilton Sex Video or 1 Night In Paris

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lots of type-o's ____ oops

wow over 500 replies ;-)

Well, I u go in t anser hees qustion oar knot? Aff ter awl, hee izz ann awthor it tee awn webb 2.0, an ewe no nuffin boud it.

ADG

i thought that by friday morning we would have had a direct contact and made a ton of progress and that this issue would be done.

Still waiting for some abuse emails that have been send in the past to adultsins BT site. You know what, I am starting to figure it out - there haven't been that much abuse notices posted to that site! and you claim it to be doing crime in massive proportions You are such a bunch of losers!

That playingwithmyself is starting to sound like that loon greg boone

When I refer to web 2.0 I mean user generated content! This means that the content is uploaded by the users themselves and consumed by them

immoral/unethical hahaha you are killing me man! what are you doing for your living ? Convincing 18 year old girls to run away from home and get fucked by 4 guys simultaneously in front of some horney camera man?

CORRECTION:

When YOU refer to Web 2.0 (which is not Web 2.0 at all), you refer to a small group of thieves that operate sites which post content that abuse copyright holders rights, allowing tens of thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of people to illegally download (usually knowingly) copyright infringed material, thereby robbing the copyright owners of profits they are legally entitled to.

So how can these pirate sites operate? They either charge for VIP Memberships, or in many cases, have advertisers that knowingly place advertising on their sites (essentially underwriting such content theft), who really don't care where their traffic/sales come from, as long as they make a profit.

Hard to make it any more clear than that...

ADG

Grow up boy! face reality!

You are totally wrong - Megarotic does not upload pirated content on his site nor does adultsins - the community does! such will also apply to the majority of the BT/Tube site. The admins of the site are usually very passive. They do not tell people what to upload or when to do this! they provide a service - a tool! The usually will concentrate developing some extra features to the site! the community has a spirit of its own! So my first comment would be not to call those site operators thief's.
Now the question is if you can call the community a thief - I would agree that you can call some of them thief's but then again you have nothing to do against 60,000,000 people. So grow up and start to adjust. Now you need to convince 60M people if not 400M people to obey copyright laws. I think that soon those 400M - 60 M users will change copyright laws entirely.. you know why? because they are the law! you just don't get it yet US congress will soon stop supporting you guys... it happening already. they will have no choice! Look what's happening in Sweden and the piratebay. The piratebay is not a company its a political movement that influences all building blocks of society and many intellectuals as well. its game over for your type of thinking - those times are changing!

Some of those sites are a business, some of them are just a hobby of a kid and some are here to state an idealistic point of view. So what's the problem with doing a business? I will tell you what's the problem - the problem is that they are threatening you. Still it this does not give you the right to accuse them as criminals!

Above of what has been said here... some of you guys are really not respecting DMCA principals - and that what reveals your real motives in a such a transparent manner! you want all those site closed - you want to see this paradigm disappear from the face of the planet - You are against change - you are against progress - you are against of the evolution of the internet! well soon you are going to be an extinct species

Hey xpay. can I aks you to send me the list you have faxed to AFF? I really want to look over it and investigate this matter. or should I try to get it directly from aff?

So if you spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce content, you would simply stand by as thousands upon thousands of people ripped off your content?

BULLSHIT!!!

ADG

..and you would let a self-professed hippy, really just a gypsy/scammer opportunist, and his pansy partner profit from underwriting such an enterprise at your expense?

ADG

Let me tell you what I should have done.. I wound consider of investing those amounts again if I just can not police my product anymore or find another way to do profit from it. May be even change my profession... but then again, I am not sure that you know to do anything else except convincing 18 year old girls to be gang banged in front of a camera man and to run after that from home with some cash you give her!

Hey... hey... hey pal.. don't loose your mind.. . we are just arguing here and conducting a conversation. nothing personal - but it seems that your words are finished

gotta remember there is a lot more than 1 sponsor that approve of this traffic, a lot of the sites promote free trial sponsors & other dating ones

Be sure to list here your SMS site (if and ever you get it running), since if you think ripping people off is okay, I think many people here will be only to glad to destroy your business.

And for the record, I have never filmed a gangbang, nor even tried to convince anyone (18 or any age) to get into porn - so once again, you know nothing of which you speak.

ADG

I agree, and their day will come too...

ADG

When you profit off stolen content, whether you uploaded it yourself or someone else did then you are a criminal. You keep arguing that this is a free speech issue which it isn't. Allowing the distribution of stolen/pirated content is not free speech. People don't start these sites beacause they are champions of Free SPeech, they start it to make money, plain and simple.

You think the laws will change and protect the people allowing this unlawful distribution? You really think the US government is willing to open a can of worms? All these sites are hosted outside the US for a reason...

What an idiot this guy is.

User generated content is just that. You make something like a song or a video and you upload the content that you make. You do not upload someone else's content.

I don't know what this guy is snorting, but I do not want any. lol

You also keep saying that producers should police their own content...why should't the "web2.0" site owners police their own sites? Why should they not have to share the responsibilty of making sure stolen material isnt being uploaded?

You alread know the answer...if they did that and removed videos that are obviously ripped from paysites then they would be left with 10 videos of some fat guy jerking off on his cam. And they would see their traffic die overnight and no money in their pockets.

Hey, I thought they wanted to see me - er...that!!!

And besides, it was 12 videos, not 10...

ADG (aka, the most downloaded fat guy jerking off on the internet)

Can somebody make a firefox plugin that automatically send a email to the website owner and the advertisers on that page so its not so time consuming for the people that want to get the shit down.

who the fuck are you - maybe your Lar's fake nick - as far as I can see you have no right to get the docs from either Evan or from AFF

La, La, Lars, doesn't hear you, even though he has been logged into GFY over the weekend.

I'm guessing, neither does Andrew Con-you, or Conru, or whatever his name is, who is supposedly the CEO of AFF/Varius.

I'm sure if you subpoena their phone records, nothing will show regarding any conversations between Lars and Andrew with Mr Bloom or any other attorney on their corporate retainer (such conversations wouid be priviledged anyway).

Perhaps they were all preoccupied having another idyllic weekend counting their profits from their ads with torrents sites to notice this thread, or they were all out golfing.

The weather was quite nice in the Bay Area this weekend...

So begins another business week. A time for some to advertise and make profits from sites that have lots of traffic because they blatantly deal in stolen content.

And a time for others who create the content which is stolen to wonder why thieves and the companies that advertise on known copyright abuse sites can profit from their content, instead of themselves.

Oh, I get it - it's Web 2.0...no one should create content anymore, they should just steal others' content and post it for a profit, or underwrite the theft and profit from it through advertising/cross-sales.

Producers are such idiots!!!

ADG

When you track it down, for the most part you find only a very few companies actually accepting the traffic. The free trial sites that you see on torrent sites look like a huge variety of sites, but they actually come back to ONE company.

90% of the apparent dating sites you see all go to AFF. They use various drop domanis for a bounce, but the traffic is headed for AFF.

Total companies directly involved in financing torrents appears to be about a dozen or less.

I'm going to bed now...

I hope when I wake up, Evan is not co-opted (bought out) by AFF.

If you consulted your lawyer(s), he/they should have advised you of this, that you are in the driver's seat from now on.

You have the distinction of being able to make things better for the entire industry - please don't sell out just for yourself, especially after so many have backed you (BTW, where was Juicy through all this?)...

Please do the right thing for the entire industry, and you will be remembered for that forever - this can be a defining moment for you - do not let everyone down by cutting a deal only for yourself with AFF, especially after they cashed in on what they knew quite clearly was your copyrighted product.

ADG

I'll 2nd that - in fact if this went to court - it could end up being a nice payday for Evan with a lesson taught and hopefully learned by AFF..

Hell yeah!!!

If Evan holds out and does what is right by the industry, I will fly Evan and myself down to LA for the conference, and I'll lobby like hell to get him a seat at the head of the table.

This is no time for fence sitting, and looking after only your own ass - we are all in this together!

Let's fight the good fight, and despite my rhetoric, I invite AFF, Fleshlight, Etology, etc, to become allies and not enemies, with the adult biz, and do their part, which can be substantial, to stop copyright abuse.

ADG

People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

Nice way you treat people with dissenting opinions here, like mini George Bushs some of you, resorting to personal ridicule of the 3 dissenters in this thread instead of sticking to the debate, branding one a troll simply because they are on the other side of the fence.

One of you twice now even stooped so low as to take advantage of typos from someone for whom English obviously is not their first language, though credit where it is due, I expected more of you to jump on the typos than have, but turned out only one of you was that pathetic.

Why should AFF hand an enormous business advantage to their competitors because of the failure of your chosen business models, this is your problem, not theirs, they way most of you lot operate I have no doubt whatsoever that if the positions were reversed you would be doing exactly as AFF are doing, are you capable of being honest with yourselves.

Just in the last few weeks I've noticed a couple of major torrent sites have replaced their AFF ads with ones from another company in direct competition with AFF, obviously they offered up a better deal than AFF, now you lot are saying AFF should just roll over to them & hand it all to them on a silver platter, that is just totally ridiculous.

I know someone in the pre-production stage for a product we believe is superior to Fleshlight, he was most pleased to hear that Fleshlight has pulled out of torrent sites & would like to thank you for the advantage you have given him at Fleshlights expense.

For all the supposed superiority in this thread there has been a lot of ignorance displayed & many unfounded but serious accusations made, & in a public forum no less, can anyone spell law suit, which would be one that actually has a leg to stand on, unlike most of the drivel in this thread, if I was AFF I would be calling the lawyers alright, but not for the reasons you want them to.

Some sites, like pornorip for example, are obviously set up & run privately for profit, but minnows like that barely count, the major private trackers are communities not founded for profit, most pay the way with donations & advertising revenue, as has been proven time & time again, if revenue gets tight & threatens the future of the site the community will donate to keep it alive, happens everytime.

These sites also do not allow CP & rape & most do not allow beast, your portrayal of them all as AFF sanctioned money making monsters peddling CP, beast & rape purely for personal profit is incredibly dishonest, if you are so damn right why the need to lie & deceive.

Going through this thread one could be easily forgiven for thinking the OP is an irrational lunatic, within 4 hours he starts whining about not receiving a response, within a day & a half, & on the weekend, has spammed AFF with shit loads of emails & 28 faxes, sounds like electronic harassment to me. Heaven forbid not everones realises he is the center of the universe & should be pandered to immediately.

From what I can clearly see pornorip does not "require" you to join AFF before confirming your account as the OP stated, they are asking you to to do so in order to support them, the furphy posted in this thread that people are forced to signup to AFF in order to access the download is more lies by some of the supposed ethical people in this thread.

that's some of the funniest shit I've read, you would have to be loony to believe 10,000 of those people even watched more than a few minutes of that shit, let alone would have paid a huge rip off price to see it.

The fact is the people will share files no matter what you do, & there will always be means of them networking & accessing a broad pool, it is the nature of the beast, all you're doing here is harassing people less responsible than yourselves & chasing your tails wasting time & energy that should be put into worthwhile & more effective actions.

You lot bring this shit on yourself by being an industry full off bad service rip offs & scams & dishonest marketing, your affiliate programs have filled the web full of dishonest crap & fake sites that is nigh on impossible for the average person to wade through & sort the wheat from the chaff, time & time again I have heard & read people complaining about rip off sites that don't deliver what's promised &/or way overpriced for what they do offer.

Do you really want yourselves under more scrutiny, many of you do not operate strictly within the law &/or you pay others to operate outside it with your bullshit get-rich-quick type schemes.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that if a miracle occurred & the adult industry became ethical then file sharing would cease to be a problem, there will always be people that do it no matter what, but the simple fact is that there is a good % of people that have been driven to it by an industry full of marketing scams & rip offs.

Not to mention that, as you well know, your affiliate programs sponsor spammers, even though it is not doubt against your TOS & you will act if reported, funny how that line has a familiar ring to it isn't it, hypocrites!

File sharing is helping grow the web & making it more useful, spammers & dishonest marketing tactics are doing the opposite, they are making it less useful & reliable & secure, which is the greater crime here in real terms, it's many of you lot helping/encouraging them to shit in your own bed filling the web full of spam & fake sites & lies & deception.

Respect has to be earned, as a whole the adult industry has not earnt the right to be respected by the consumer, whilst there are no doubt exceptions, by & large you're a pack of dishonest, overcharging scam merchants that deserve all the undermining you get.

You should be spending this time fixing your own glaring shortcomings & becoming respect-worthy, that's where you need to start if you want to minimise the impact of file sharing on your operations, for you will never stop it, you should also be putting the money into protecting your content better & utilising better delivery methods & providing better service at better value for money.

The prices the overwhelming majority of you charge is daylight robbery, unnecessarily pumped up by your stupid affiliate programs that are doing you more harm than good, all they do is help you compete more evenly with each other, but their overall impact on your industry is a huge negative that has destroyed consumer confidence, trust, & efficiency of usability.

Lets take an example I clicked through to from here, some dingo shit site, good example, directed through page after page of unrelated crap & popups simply trying to get the site/content being offered, only to eventually get there to find it's the same extremely over-priced streaming crap available all over the place.

There are sites providing good value, good service & good honest previews, in other words, being professional in an industry plagued by un-professionalism, don't tell me it can't be done.

An example of a different type, ADG, one of the most goddamn ugliest layouts I've seen, at least you get to it promptly & it is actually a real site, but they charge twice what their small amount of shit is worth & once again, it is nothing at all special, just more homogeneous exploitation of underprivileged girls.

Your time ADG web dood, instead of whining on some forum, would be better spent lifting the quality of your game, then uploading a couple of good clips to a couple of large torrent sites as teasers, striking an advertising deal with them, then checking regularly to get any other posted clips removed promptly. That would actually make you money far more effectively than your time whining in this forum ever will.

Be smart & work with reality for you will not change it.

Ah, more ignorance posted as fact, you believe that if you wish, stay happy in your fools paradise, be my guest.

Meanwhile in the real world, there are shitloads of advertisers lining up for access to the huge audience.

Lets guess who you work for ? God these people are so transparent.

tony404, I think he works for me hahahah

Can I join the close summit organized by you guys? or I am expected to get kicked on my ass by some big boys?

what are "these sites" ? you mean torrent sites ? you mean the tube sites ?

you personally know the business model of every tube and torrent site on the web and personally stand by the age of every model displayed on them ? impressive...

who said "all" of them are sanctioned by aff ?

I think the majority of people here are concerned with 2 things only.

Ads being displayed next to cp.
Ads being displayed next to copyright material.


It's not hard to figure out.


Most torrent and tube sites rely on both cp and stolen content.

90% of torrent and tube sites "most popular videos" have either cp , beast or stolen content. this is what is the difference between YOUTUBE and most of the sites the people here are worried about.

"Ads being displayed next to cp.
Ads being displayed next to copyright material."


And how is that illegal for AFF?
Sure they can pull the ad's from sites that do this that would be the right thing to do but how is it illegal for AFF? How is it even contibutory infringement?

There is a difference in doing whats right and whats legal and illegal.
Our industry is based on the principal in the difference of legal and illegal and grey shaddy area's.

THe way I see it, AFF does not have to do shit, cept maybe call thier attornies and ready a defense and counter suit.

Funny how Lars never posts in these kinds of threads

Another way of looking at this is...

Xpays and many of you want to dictate where and how a company can promote itself. In the case of Internet Advertising no one can can determine where all sources of traffic are comming from and forcing service companies to look where traffic is comming from is not all that fair and almost outright impossible.

Every day I lose a little faith in the industry, this whole thread is one of the reasons why. It demonstrates just how stupid, and uneducated most of you are.

You people would love to dictate how, who and when a company can have a promoter...

Thats pretty fucken silly.

I hope AFF takes Xpays out to lunch in court...

UncommonSense, words well said!
I am investigating some stuff here - maybe you can help me

On a different note I wonder what will happen if some of the web 2.0 adult community will:

a. Analyze the marketing tactics those companies use - I am sure that BT/Tube sites have like very savvy porn consumers that can pour some light on this subject. Let them start with xpays and ADG and then continue to some others here..
b. Get some Christian organizations start monitoring their activities and products - get some web 2.0 users post some nice email to those guys - thousands of them
c. Get the entire web 2.0 publishers - all of the tube and torrent ones expose this shit going on here - maybe even destroy the reputation in public of those programs, companies and people. Can some web 2.0 publishers attention be pointed to this thread? Its only to get a small message on some alexa 800 to 100 web sites, get some blogers and some press on this thread and boom

Some of the guys here want to destroy web 2.0 and free speech - they want to kill those technologies and web behaviors. Then they are going to write a post saying "we are not against web 2.0... And we are not against free speech.." and something like that "what does web 2.0 has to do with tube/torrent sites..." but then they will say how web 2.0 sites are profiting from ads and how good of business angels they are full of ethics and morals.

On top of that they do not respect DMCA principles. The accuse sites they have never even send one abuse messages regarding their content ! This can be easily proven!

I think that some programs here need to get banned by the entire porn consumers! For the good of the industry and for the good of the entire internet! All web 2.0 sites need to gather against some of the guys here! That are not interested to comply with the rules and reality and do not want to face the facts! No web 2.0 publisher should work with them! ... Just a thought... who knows... Lets get some mega publishers first read this thread and judge!

You fucking idiot playingwithmyself823, this has nothing to do with Web 2.0...

Gawd damn you fuckin retard Shut up...

I want to confess - I am Lars!

Please read AFF's ToS and point us to where does it say it is alright with them to be promoted next to illegal and ingfriged content, they're operating against their own terms of services!

Halograph show us where it says not to?
It doesnt!

Wanna know why?

FROM AFF TOSS:

"You may not post, distribute, or reproduce in any way any copyrighted material, trademarks, or other proprietary information without obtaining the prior written consent of the owner of such proprietary rights or otherwise have a valid basis under the law, including "fair use". Without limiting the foregoing, if you believe that your work has been copied and posted on the Adult FriendFinder service in a way that constitutes copyright infringement, please provide our Copyright Agent with the following information consistent with the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA):"

Thats as close as AFF's terms come.

PARIS VIDEO IS NOT IN THE AFF NETWORK.
Not whats so ever.

Okay - let me ask you this like a 8 year old - is www.tnaflix.com or www.megarotic.com considered to be web 2.0 sites? Yes Or No?

When we talk about web 2.0 here we refer in this context for it to be - user generated content
It does not matter if the user has produced the content or not - It can be a web master promoting his pay page, some girl making a home made vid, a porn star that wants to get promoted or a kid that rips a nice DVD - this is all considered to be user generated content. If the user uploads the content - then it means that its user generated! Do you get this? Or do we need to boost your IQ from 66 to 80 before you read this again in order understand

Now lets look at Evans little whine some more.

He is saying AFF is a contributory infringer when a promoter of AFF has a website that had a contributor put the Paris footage on a video post site.

Think Xpays is barking up the wrong tree yet?
Not a single one of you people can track where ALL your traffic is comming from and how ALL your sales are being derived, yet you expect AFF to?

I would say wake up and smell the coffee but it is far to late for that.

Shut up PlayWithMyself...

This has nothing to do with User generated content for fucks sakes. Its just another business model you loon.

All Evan is attempting to do is

A: Drive Publicity.
B: Find out if what AFF is doing is actually Contributory Infringement. At first glance its easy to take a side. Which is why its taken me a few days to think it threw on the sideline.

I do not believe AFF is guily of contributory infringement. Infact the only way to see if AFF is a contributory infringer on this matter is to take them to court. Thus this is why AFF will not change a thing regarding Video share sites.

Its all pretty obvious, if AFF did pull that guy as an affilaite it would be an admission of infringement in an indirect way, not only that, but doing so would force them to police all Video share sites and have strict monitors.

That in itself is impossible.

On top of it all...
What Evan at Xpays is trying to do is basically a never been done before situation concenring the internet and copyright law.

In short he is way off basis if not compeltely off his rocker in his line of thought concerning some AFF affiliates. Affiliates that most every other sponsor shares and recieves members from in the same manor as AFF does.