Hey Photographers, are you shooting in RAW or JPEG

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  • jonesy
    Confirmed User
    • Jan 2003
    • 6688

    #51
    Originally posted by bm bradley
    the official joke is shooting RAW for the internet
    wanton ?
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    Shooting Bikini Girls

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    • CurrentlySober
      Too lazy to wipe my ass
      • Aug 2002
      • 38983

      #52
      If its for the web, just jpg
      ️ ️

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      • tony299
        lurker
        • Aug 2002
        • 57021

        #53
        More important is the quality of photographer than raw or jpeg. Just an FYI, photojournalist's shoot in jpeg and thats print.

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        • mikesouth
          Confirmed User
          • Jun 2003
          • 6340

          #54
          Originally posted by JP-pornshooter
          worst advise i have ever seen..
          jpeg is a in camera processing/compression of the raw data. some cameras do great jpegs, some dont. jpeg is one of the few areas where the camera actually matters..i shoot often with my fujis S2 in jpeg as this camera delivers great jpeg skintones, better than most photogs can duplicate batching in PS. 90% of my shoots for web are shot in jpeg.

          when i shoot for magazines (and for a few high end web clients), i shoot raw, convert in 16bit to TIFF and the whole 9 yards, but then again magazines is a different ballgame alltogether.
          Ever wonder why those magazines dont accept JPG?

          what part of what I said is wrong? NONE...
          Shooting JPG is for amateurs you lose at least 75% of your data because jpg is an 8bit per color format and most cameras shot at 12 0r 16 bits per color
          Mike South

          It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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          • mikesouth
            Confirmed User
            • Jun 2003
            • 6340

            #55
            Originally posted by tony404
            More important is the quality of photographer than raw or jpeg. Just an FYI, photojournalist's shoot in jpeg and thats print.
            Only newspapers

            heres why

            your lets say your nikon shoots 12 bits per color thats 2^36th

            thats 4096 levels of each color...red green and blue

            jpg immediatly degrades it to 8 bits per color..thats 2^24th BIG DIFFERENCE

            thats 256 levels of each color. and thats before it compresses it

            Only magazines that print on pulp paper will accept jpgs for anything larger that a very small photo and many wont accept that.

            I shoot for print all the time...yes I make JPGs but only as proofs to determine which shots will actually go to the editor in RAW format

            Anyone who has ever had color balance problems in jpg that they had to correct knows the limitations with a raw imagine there are no limitations.

            Real photographers only shoot raw...sorry but dats the way it is...dont believe me...ask one.
            Mike South

            It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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            • mikesouth
              Confirmed User
              • Jun 2003
              • 6340

              #56
              Of course composition is a whole different ball of wax.
              Mike South

              It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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              • tony299
                lurker
                • Aug 2002
                • 57021

                #57
                Originally posted by mikesouth
                Only newspapers

                heres why

                your lets say your nikon shoots 12 bits per color thats 2^36th

                thats 4096 levels of each color...red green and blue

                jpg immediatly degrades it to 8 bits per color..thats 2^24th BIG DIFFERENCE

                thats 256 levels of each color. and thats before it compresses it

                Only magazines that print on pulp paper will accept jpgs for anything larger that a very small photo and many wont accept that.

                I shoot for print all the time...yes I make JPGs but only as proofs to determine which shots will actually go to the editor in RAW format

                Anyone who has ever had color balance problems in jpg that they had to correct knows the limitations with a raw imagine there are no limitations.

                Real photographers only shoot raw...sorry but dats the way it is...dont believe me...ask one.
                To say someone who shoots raw is more of a real photog than a guy who won a pulitzer shooting jpeg's is silly. I read 5 different photo mags a month and some use jpeg's for ease and portability. Not every "real" photog shoots glamour or product. I took a class and they showed a jpeg print that was blown up to poster size and it was beautiful. Actually to get a really good print out of jpeg you have to be a dead on photog.
                Last edited by tony286; 08-18-2007, 10:44 PM.

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                • mikesouth
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 6340

                  #58
                  Originally posted by tony404
                  To say someone who shoots raw is more of a real photog than a guy who won a pulitzer shooting jpeg's is silly. I read 5 different photo mags a month and some use jpeg's for ease and portability. Not every "real" photog shoots glamour or product. I took a class and they showed a jpeg print that was blown up to poster size and it was beautiful. Actually to get a really good print out of jpeg you have to be a dead on photog.
                  but disk space is cheap memory cards are cheap bandwidth is cheap why in gods name would anyone want to immediately degrade their photograph by 85%? It makes no sense, like others here have said you can always downgrade your raw to jpg but you can never upgrade your jpg to raw

                  many things go into a good photograph, pulitzer prizes are for journalism and if a person is in the right place at the right instance and snaps a polaroid of george bush's death face as he is sucked into a vortex of water and wind...ya he is going to win a pulitzer but he wont win any photography contest with it cept for maybe one sponsored by polaroid.

                  But I digress.....now consider this. Lets say you get the perfect shot of a guy on a snowboard and you send HO Sports the full sized JPG and HO Sports say thats incredible we want the exclusive rights to that photo, send us the raw image and we will send you a check for 10K.

                  Guess what...the raw image is worth 10K the Jpg is worth....NOTHING they wont buy it.
                  Mike South

                  It's No wonder I took up drugs and alcohol, it's the only way I could dumb myself down enough to cope with the morons in this biz.

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                  • FredIsMe
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Dec 2004
                    • 2406

                    #59
                    I shoot both.

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                    • tony299
                      lurker
                      • Aug 2002
                      • 57021

                      #60
                      Originally posted by mikesouth
                      but disk space is cheap memory cards are cheap bandwidth is cheap why in gods name would anyone want to immediately degrade their photograph by 85%? It makes no sense, like others here have said you can always downgrade your raw to jpg but you can never upgrade your jpg to raw

                      many things go into a good photograph, pulitzer prizes are for journalism and if a person is in the right place at the right instance and snaps a polaroid of george bush's death face as he is sucked into a vortex of water and wind...ya he is going to win a pulitzer but he wont win any photography contest with it cept for maybe one sponsored by polaroid.

                      But I digress.....now consider this. Lets say you get the perfect shot of a guy on a snowboard and you send HO Sports the full sized JPG and HO Sports say thats incredible we want the exclusive rights to that photo, send us the raw image and we will send you a check for 10K.

                      Guess what...the raw image is worth 10K the Jpg is worth....NOTHING they wont buy it.
                      you have a point.

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                      • JP513
                        Confirmed User
                        • Feb 2007
                        • 1914

                        #61
                        Originally posted by jonesy
                        this just in, its official - you didnt get the joke.
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                        I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I wish I was drinking wine instead.

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                        • JP513
                          Confirmed User
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 1914

                          #62
                          I do both. If I think there's a chance I will have use for it later, blow it up, etc., like landscapes or urban or maybe have a chance to publish it, I do RAW, especially non-adult stuff. For example I am stashing some shots in RAW for a book (urban shots) I hope to publish one day. Also if I was doing magazine work, RAW+jpeg no doubt.

                          For internet/adult, if you get the white balance right when you make the shot, I have very little need to waste disk space on RAW, no matter how cheap it is these days. I travel a lot and don't want to haul 3 hard drives around, etc. Even stuff I've got for DVD cover: jpeg fine/max.

                          No disrespect to RAW shooters though, as it gives you maximum flexibility. I just try to limit the RAW I shoot.
                          I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I wish I was drinking wine instead.

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