AFF Contributory Infringement on The Paris Hilton Sex Video or 1 Night In Paris

350 Contributory Infringers...(and counting)

I'm a Raiders fan, but still I was living life large when Evan let me have a pair of his lower reserved primo 49ers tix...(still owe him some Cavs tix though - DOH!!!).

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all of the screencaps and detailed issues in this thread have dmca's in-hand or on the way. i am sure they will remove our content in short order.

I can't take credit for the 9r's tix- Howard Levine held those for over a decade until he met me and michael and he felt as though it was cool to pass the torch.

We sprung for the parking passes too of course. We will dole these out live on GFY throughout the season!

9r's even added online transfers for tix - welcome to 2003 -

But will they stop advertising on the site, even after it violated their TOS?

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Oden is going to be better than Lebron btw

Maybe Mr. Condru will address this soon.

Evan, You're doing a great job. What segment of XVN is doing the best right now? I believe that when somebody does well for the industry they should be rewarded with traffic. Just point me towards what is converting the best and i'll put a shitload of links up for you. I would like to ask everybody to do the same. It's the right thing to do and hopefully I/We can make some sales and help Evan with the legal bills. I'm breaking my no work on the weekend rule for you. It must be a crush or something. I hope that my wife don't find out

fugazi and adam & eve so far - xvn rss can add 500 uniques per day of organic search traffic for you -- hollar

Ok I was with you all the way in this thread up until this point. Now that's just crazy talk. The stress of your content getting ripped off must be getting to you

Hey pal,
I really respect your work. that's not the point! but you are trying to call 60,000,000 internet users thief's. and/or you are trying to blame megaupload of being one! you are also blaming the sponsors and you are calling them drug dealers you are trying to deal with the problem with in a very unrealistic way! Apparently, my point is that you are just to blind to face reality with some other guys here that are just trying to create a storm in a glass of tea.

You just do not get it. megaupload is not the thief! its a 100% legit site and its here to stay! along with many many other sites. your anger and frustration is leading you to a negative business direction.

My question is who you expect to police your content? AFF? Fleshlight? Megaupload or the judge in California state curt? Let me please answer - its you that needs to police your content! only you! apparently the number of abused notices guys like you send to megaupload kinda sites are a fraction it at all... so you don't have no basis to accuse them - you don't have any moral basis (if there is a thing like that called morals in the porn business hahaha) and you don't have any legal basis as well

did you ever send some users generated content sites that has been mentioned in this thread any concrete abuse notices? if you have - then please tell us who are the sites? and give us some examples..like a copy of the emails my intuition is that you just have not done this... and you don't want to do this because you know that those sites will comply with you and that's your biggest nightmare! instead you are calling all the world thief's, the site owners you call thief's and you are threatening some sponsors as well - this is pathetic!

Let me explain you - you are not frighten specifically of your content being served on those sites - trust me no one gives a shit if your content is there or its not.. there will be still a shit load of other content on those sites regardless. you are scared that those sites (web 2.0) will force you eventually to change your business model So either adapt and make money or just get out of the business.

and once more...Please give us some abuse examples you have send the web masters of the sites mentioned in this thread.

i was kissing up to get some more of that fucking shitload of boneprone4l traffic ;-)

but actually lebron hasn't proven anything yet.....

the dmca bill i am going to get at the end of the month don't lie.

hey Xpay,
you are right.. pornorip.net is not a web 2.0 site. The webmaster edits the pages and the torrents by himself. I think instead of attacking aff and the entire torrent sites over the net - you can approach this site and ask him to get your specific content down - I am sure he will do this if you will be polite to the web masters. AFF is really not to be blamed here! I am sure that this site will have another 1000 sponsors waiting in line for the aff space.

Ok, your madness is for a good reason. I agree with you about labron and I think that the next 2 years are going to be breakout years for him. He's got so much potential but it isn't going to mean shit until he can at least win a finals game.

totally, most of the site owners want nothing to do with trouble content. they can make it legit. this is a separate situation here.

the owners of the torrents and tube sites will act faster than aff - period

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AFF has been taken to task for having shady business practices thousands of times here on gfy. It's safe to say they have a history of fucking people over to make a buck. I'm happy to see this finally coming to a head. Because if a big company like AFF can be taken to task, smaller companies will think twice before supporting content theft.

xpay, I don't get it - have you send some abuse emails to the mentioned sites? or you are going to do that? Because if you haven't don't this yet your entire discussions on this threads and others threads as well are irrelevant!

Affirmatively yes we have sent notices and continue to.

Getting better on the paragraph breaks, but you really didn't answer the questions I asked (the sentences ending with a "?").

Personally, I hope that laws will be enacted sometime soon that put a stop (or at least a very serious dent) in the rampant unauthorized useage/distribution of copyrighted content.

The DMCA is a failure and has provided a convenient smokescreen for content thieves. It puts all of the burden of proof on the victims of copyright abuse, and has certainly emboldened thieves and scammers.

I personally have DMCA'd people before with mixed results. Many sites hide behind layer after layer of veils - then when you finally catch up with them, they want you to identify by URL every single photo/video that they are hosting/providing links to, taking hours and hours to compile (even though they can easily find and delete all of your content in a matter of minutes since they know who posted it).

Often, if they discover who you are, since you have to register with them to locate your content, they then ban you from their site making it difficult if not impossible to keep tracking your content on their site.

Also, why should I have to provide my private personal info (name, address, etc) to a person that I know already is a thief/scammer (or enabler of such people)?

The only recourse in many instances is to sue them, but most of these people know they are engaging in criminal activity, so they hide behind a myriad of aliases and may not even reside in the country (often foreign) which they claim to be communicating with you from.

It is unrealistic to expect small companies like mine, to have to spend all of their waking hours chasing down infringers, when their time would be better spent creating and marketing their content.

In the case of brick and mortar stores, it is the responsibility of the police to investigate and apprehend vandals, not the individual store owners. Should everyone vandalized close their store and spend all of their time searching down thieves? They wouldn't be in business very long if they did, would they?

Another analogy would be if a store purchases and profits from goods that are stolen, they are liable for that. It's all pretty plain and simple if you are capable of rational thought.

Thieves should not get off free simply by removing the stolen goods after much expense and activity by the person whose goods were illegally stolen, especially when common sense would dictate that the store reselling stolen property had to at least have some suspicion the goods were stolen.

While companies may distribute samples to advertise and generate interest in their product, it stands to reason that nothing would be gained by giving everything away, with no expectation of making any profit whatsoever - and yet whole DVDs/sites are ripped amd posted without as much as a shrug by site admins of torrent sites.

One solution would be a clearinghouse for all DMCA claims. If the same site has repeated infringement cases, they should be shut down. Then the site owners would have a reason to actively monitor and approve what appears on their site. If they can't do that (take responsibility for the content they are offering/profiting from), then THEY should get out of the business, not the people whose stolen products they are profiting from.

As has been shown repeatedly, many of the largest torrents sites have CP and other illegal content in plain view for all to see. Why should their sites not be shut down immediately? Mine would be if I posted such content, yet the people that operate such sites get a free pass simply because they themselves didn't post it (and often do nothing to remove it until notified by someone else).

The government puts the burden of proof on the creators of adult content to prove the age of the models/performers (2257) - why shouldn't torrent site operators be obliged to know that all of the content posted was posted only by the legal copyright holder?

You and supporters of content theft attempt to obfuscate the facts, by blaming the victims. Twist things all you want, but the fact remains, that many if not most of the large torrent sites are nothing but fence operations for thieves, and make most of their profits from stolen goods.

Your solution appears to be, the victims of content theft should quit creating content, since people are going to steal it anyway, and instead create a site that is built upon stolen content and prosper.

No thanks!!!

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Thanks for removing all doubt that you are simply an AFF tool...

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Just wondering... Have you DMCA'd the hosting and registrar of pornorip.net yet?? As much as you publicly going after AFF is nice and all... would also be nice to see you going after the guys who are sending the traffic to AFF and all the other sponsors a site like that promotes.

Let Us Review It Man!

I wonder who's fake nick he is?

Oh.. Here you go Evan...

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3302247/...IL-DVDr-TWCXXX
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3276563/...IL-DVDr-TWCXXX
http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3254845/...IL-DVDr-TWCXXX

passion.com advertised on there.. aka AFF
http://date.ventivmedia.com/phpAdsNe...2&col=1&extid=

Let's not forget adbrite running on there
http://click.adbrite.com/mb/click.ph...8ea2704ea67434

Someone else
http://clicktorrent.info/phpAdsNew/a...Frefid%3D10027

Auctionads
http://ads.auctionads.com/pagead/cli...DWDVW%26rd%3D1

adbannerconnect
http://ad.bannerconnect.net/click,Kx...il-dvdr-twcxxx

You need to go after all of them...

they will have then down in no time! that's a low quality reg for them. but this is no the issue... the issue is to get that torrent down - and the only solution is to send a polite mail to the admin.

not yet... but i would say soon after my new system is online!

8 pages, the AFF contest whores might get confused and start bumping this soon

Please show me the ones you have send to tnaflix.. I am going to blog on this issue soon at tnaflix forum. Please send me the abuse emails you have send them...

You see - you are full of bullshit! you admit that you don't believe in the basic nature of DMCA or its core principles. you think its a failure. Its an moral idea and the best tool you have. I really suggest you quit the business - or grow up. otherwise you are going to be a very miserable man in the future as this industry evolves!

DMCA does not give a shit what you think. DMCA is a concept to protect freedom of speech and web publishers from assholes like you. you have lost the war even before it has started grow up!

looks like your on AFF ignore list

This is discussion in not anymore about AFF - this discussion is about some small guys in this forum trying to convince the world how "pirated" sites are stealing your business. You are accusing the wrong people - simply because you don't understand nothing about modern internet and are to mentally blocked from seeing the big picture. Web 2.0 is here to stay - what you see today happening is only the start. Video streaming sites like youtube and even bittorrent sites are all Web 2.0.

You are trying to make the web masters of such systems thief's - well that's don't going to work for you guys and it will never will! You will never have legal basis for that!
Then you are trying to make 60,000,0000 users thief's - well that for sure is not going to work! its too many its undefeatable!
You are trying to get sponsors responsible for this crime - well again you are to confused and sponsors are just not responsible of this "crime" (so to say...) they are adverting on legit sites and business.

you have only one man to blame - your yourselves

Don't get me wrong, its not my objective to insult some of the people here! I enjoy the conversation! really!

If you go after the hosting, those type of sites will often move to a new host rather than face the issues. The registrar is a long shot, best to go there with invalid information on the whois records or a "hidden" whois, that gives you tons of weight in the game.

Removing the money, the financial motive for these sites will stop them cold. Without a way to make money, 99% of the "file sharing" sites would disappear within hours. If they have no way to turn traffic into anything but bandwidth bills, they will be gone.

Tempest, while Evan many not go after these those companies, discussions are underway. Contact has already been made with AVN regarding their "service provider" Adbrite, As for the other links you provide, you have to dig deeper because often what you are going to is nothing but a white label of someone else's product, or a redirection page to someone else's product. The reality is that there are very, very few companies willing to be part of torrent and file sharing sites, and with continued pressure and various steps being taken, they should find it more and more uncomfortable to be there.

You forgot to mention Etology, another company that is often found on torrent sites... remarkably, run by two ex-AFF employees. Makes you think maybe that they learned their business ethics from Lars and Andrew.

playingwithmyself823, you are so blatantly a trolling fake nick from the guilty... I hope only that the admins here wake up this morning and ban your arrogant ass. Go away or post under your real name if you have the balls.

Please don't cover pirates with web2.0, its not what its about. also stay out of this thread as you know nothing about copy rights. this discussion is not yet about 60mil users uploading illegally, it regards those to profit from those violated uploads. don't try to change subject as you simply waste your time.

The razzle-dazzle redirect is the answer I get from those trying to stonewall, trying to feel better about themselves, knowing they are breaking the law but are trying hard to show that everyone else is doing it. "all the cool kids are stealing content" isn't a defence, it's a fucking admission of guilt.

This fakenick's comments read exactly like the spew that comes out of Lars mouth on the subject. Anyone want to take bets?

You have no intelligent argument so you call me "fake nick from the guilty... " I think that before the admins are going to block me they should block people like you! I know you don't feel comfortable hearing my opinion since you are too focused on your limited point of view! and are too pissed up to accept some simple facts!

Do you think that companies like etology/adbrite give a shit what you are talking about or what you think? I can only guess that they have a new wise guy like you approaching them twice a day. Most of the web 2.0 sites are going to continue to profit and are going to make even more and more money as for them turning to be more and more popular. I don't own yet a web 2.0 site but I am planning to work with some of them in the near future as an advertiser and a sponsor. you know what I will be doing if you have approached me with your opinion? hahahahahahah don't even ask...

I would sue your ass for harassing me after the second email I get from you and I am going to win the case!

on another note, you are just doing for me a very good service if you get etology out of some major sites It will be easier for me to work with them

Start getting this - web 2.0 sites are legal and not the blame and have the same legitimacy as you to earn their living - and they are hosting the biggest form of "piracy" today on the web. you have no legal basis to do what you are doing and I hope that one day soon you will find the mistake in your are doing.

I am ready for a bet... would you like to try me?

Good luck with it.

I dont think your a AFF whore or a fake nick, I would bet dollars to donuts your a BT owner or work for one. I think after flashlight pulled out you guys feel threatened by this situation. If everything was so great you wouldn't have to come on here and post paragraphs on how you guys are hero's of free speech which is bullshit. Without stolen content there would be no BT's you know that and we know that. Also if they were so legitimate as you state they would have complete info on their sites.Not just a email that says talk nice to us.Remember Napster they thought they were the future also.

Evan didn't realize that this was an 8 pager. Going away for the weekend but Monday when this is a 15 pager I will start posted more and where red light stands on this too. Thanks as always for all the effort here...

AlienQ does not have opinions. Only facts come out of his mouth.

Way to take action.

The website encourage distribution of copyrighted content. I have no problems with user submitted web 2.0 sites as long as they don't break copyrights, and they do.

Lots of site owners put up stolen content by themselves to boost their traffic.

If the websites would take down the stolen content on request it would be allright, but they are profiting from it.

only a handful of sponsors/co's financing file-sharing sites, why is that?. if they (BT's) would have legit operations wouldn't be logical to see mainstream jump on board to sponsor such sites? these guys knew from the start that they are operating in gray area which would not continue for a long time, now they start to feel the pressure and try to justify their actions. not one single normal company would want to affiliate itself with file-sharing of infringed content.

No problem. IMHO, you are on the BT / share / tube side of the game, the spew that you are putting here is the exact same spew that Lars teaches all his staff.

Your posts are strident and they are based in the nonsensical fairy land where everything is traded for free and idiots will continue to produce content for free without any concern. Fences and drug lookouts tend to justify their existance because they think that because they don't actually rob people or sell them drugs, that they are innocent.

You sir, are probably not as innocent as you wish. Posts like your makes me think that just having fleshlight pull the plug was enough to inflict pain on many.

Evan,

I hope that AFF at some point will send out a clarification like Trafficcashgold and Flashcash did showing that you in fact DO own the rights for the Paris Hilton Sex Video.

I would think that would help matters a little don't you?

Keep fighting the good fight here - cause you are right!

Hey playingwithmyself823...you are talking about things that you really don't understand. And you are talking to players in this business who DO know what they are talking about. We are all happy to have you come on the board, even though you are a self-professed hobbyist who doesn't do ANYTHING in this industry for a living.
My advice would be to do what I did for the first 10 years that I made a living in this biz.
Keep quiet and keep your ears open and learn.
You are like the guy who just got hired yesterday to park cars at Steve Wynn's casino in Vegas. And you are trying to tell Mr. Wynn all the things he is doing "wrong".
Brother, you don't have any idea how this industry works. I would advise opening your eyes and ears and please don't try to enlighten people who have had years and years of experience.
Torrent sites knowingly serve up stolen content. The only reason they have ANY traffic is because they are offering that stolen content for free. Deals are cut in this industry a LOT of different ways. Not just through "normal" ways that most of you see.
You aren't stupid. But you are ignorant. And I'm not attacking you. I'm just reading what you wrote and thinking "This guy is clueless, and shouldn't be in this discussion or even on this forum".

I have to agree somewhat. Writing english as a second language is very tough to fake, but I swear playingwithmyself writes with a European accent. Also, he's not defending AFF in particular. He's stating the fact that a vacant ad spot will be filled before you can blink. (He's also defending bittorrent sites and the "public domain sharing" type theory.)

AFF is not a content company and produces no real content. Any rights they would have to any images or videos are those granted by the current rights holders. Xpays is the online rights holder, and they haven't granted AFF a license to use the video or extracts of the video to market themselves, so it is pretty easy to figure out that AFF shouldn't marketed on pages with the video on it.

By your logic, AFF should also run a list of all hollywood movies made and state that they also have no rights to those.

The real logic is: Put your ads on pages where content is used with permission and used within it's license. If you have doubts, pull your ads until the site in question can prove their legitimate use or legitimate distribution rights for the content in question.

AFF chooses instead to use the "until you tell use we don't know" sort of logic that is arrogance at it's highest level.