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  • Libertine
    sex dwarf
    • May 2002
    • 17860
    #51
    Originally posted by XTube_Lance
    The way you write indicates that you believe we put the content there when in fact we did not. Considering we did not put it there and we KNOW people will pirate, we installed the process (mentioned above) to reduce piracy. We have done an awesome job of it, and you are quite frankly mal-informed.
    I do not believe you put the content there. I believe you use a system which profits from content being stolen, and which makes it very easy for content to be stolen.

    You KNOW people will pirate on your system, and you KNOW you can not stop them if you don't screen content beforehand.

    You said it yourself: you guys don't want to be considered a content distributor, in part because that would make you responsible for the stolen content on your site.

    You know what's going on, and you know that in your current system, you cannot stop it. Unless you are completely braindead, you also know that many small adult content producers and owners do not have the resources to police all the sites currently protected by the DMCA.

    I know that you are protected by the law. The DMCA, in its current form, allows sites such as yours, with user-submitted content that never even gets screened. That does not make sites like yours ethical, and I sincerely hope the law gets changed in the near future.
    /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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      • tony299
        lurker
        • Aug 2002
        • 57021
        #52
        Originally posted by SWorldMegan
        I checked out your site .. you guys seem to be fairly on top of keeping the stolen stuff out. Most of what i see is trailers and tgp clips. BUT ...

        I don't think you should say you just can't police it. Does that mean you don't police it if their was CP? How do you verify the age of the people on your site? What about beasty stuff?? I am sure your keeping that off.

        I think all anyone wants you to say .. is we are doing our best to keep copyrighted/stolen content off of here .. sometimes we fuck up .. and if we do .. the second we get wind of it .. it will come down and that persons account .. be it webmaster or silly uploaded will be TOS'ed. I don't expect everyone to know what's mine or the 500 other studios .. but if you get something that looks professionally made .. and it's over 5 minutes/not a trailer/tgp clip/ .. maybe not posting it would be the answer.

        I just don't want to have to fight with people to take my shit down if i tell you it's up there illeagally. And i would love to see people making at least a freaking effort to controlling their own damn sites for god sake!! if you can control it enough to have it make money .. you can control it enough to "put your best foot forward" on stopping theft!

        Megan
        Megan your becoming my personal hero What you said is smart instead its easier to attack people on GFY and threaten to ban all webmasters. Those type of statements makes it clear we are hitting a nerve.

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          • maxpower
            Confirmed User
            • May 2006
            • 734
            #53
            He only wants stolen content is what I am seeing, no one has the time every day to make sure you are not helping to rip off their titles. If you not going to allow the only legit content you do have, I say you should remove all pro videos as you know for a fact they are copyrighted and you will not let them even be used as advertisements

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              • Just_in_Support
                Registered User
                • Aug 2007
                • 75
                #54
                Url Pwnd

                Its FUD In your case cuz heres the link that goes directly to Peter Norths Site
                hxxp://ww.xtube.com/more.php?t=video&v=98fiBjLHDf8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftrac k.braincash.com%2Ftrack%2FMTE1NTk0OjI6MTI%2F

                Add the HTTP, and a w to www, cuz i could not post a URL
                Oh Yeah and PWN

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                  • Just_in_Support
                    Registered User
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 75
                    #55
                    Yes We Do

                    Originally posted by TampaToker
                    is xtube a user submitted site as well as webmaster submitted?
                    Although its all user submitted (technically) yes we have Webmaster accounts

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                      • TheAccountant
                        So Fucking Banned
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 705
                        #56
                        I would add that everyone can post a stolen movies. Emule for example is full of shared movies. A normal user can upload them too. Between a normal user and a webmaster the most trusted one is webmaster because he has something to gain. It makes him keeping a better behavior and avoid shitty stolen movies.

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                          • XTube_Lance
                            Registered User
                            • Aug 2007
                            • 92
                            #57
                            Originally posted by SWorldMegan
                            I checked out your site .. you guys seem to be fairly on top of keeping the stolen stuff out. Most of what i see is trailers and tgp clips. BUT ...

                            I don't think you should say you just can't police it. Does that mean you don't police it if their was CP? How do you verify the age of the people on your site? What about beasty stuff?? I am sure your keeping that off.

                            I think all anyone wants you to say .. is we are doing our best to keep copyrighted/stolen content off of here .. sometimes we fuck up .. and if we do .. the second we get wind of it .. it will come down and that persons account .. be it webmaster or silly uploaded will be TOS'ed. I don't expect everyone to know what's mine or the 500 other studios .. but if you get something that looks professionally made .. and it's over 5 minutes/not a trailer/tgp clip/ .. maybe not posting it would be the answer.

                            I just don't want to have to fight with people to take my shit down if i tell you it's up there illeagally. And i would love to see people making at least a freaking effort to controlling their own damn sites for god sake!! if you can control it enough to have it make money .. you can control it enough to "put your best foot forward" on stopping theft!

                            Megan
                            Thank you Megan. It took a woman to see through the bullshit and state it simply. Yes, Megan, if you ran into a video or photo of you that you did not want, it would be removed immediately.

                            In fact, I encourage anyone to search our site for something they think should not be there, and then let me know. I will have it dealt with as soon as I get it, and you know it.

                            Lance Cassidy, Former Director of Sales & Marketing, XTube.com.
                            C: 905.922.2305, ICQ: 301214977, Email: lance[at]chadster[dot]com
                            Advertise on XTube.com

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                              • RawAlex
                                So Fucking Banned
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 9465
                                #58
                                Originally posted by pornopete
                                I don't think that 2257 concerns him much as they don't do those in Canada.
                                I'm in Canada, and running a "user submitted content" site up here is a huge risk , because a single piece of CP sends you to jail. But since they can't get processing in Canada for porn, you would have to track back and see what company is running the website for money collection purposes and where that is located to get a better idea of the 2257 implications.

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                                  • XTube_Lance
                                    Registered User
                                    • Aug 2007
                                    • 92
                                    #59
                                    Originally posted by RawAlex
                                    Why is it FUD?

                                    http://video.xtube.com/watch.php?cv=1&idx=4&from=&v=98fiBjLHDf8&cl=mHpZ7V 5LM8v&a=200707101640_tnhay&b=4AJQ3gP4IOc&s=B&geo_c ountrycode=&geo_latitude=&geo_longitude=&sstr=lrf| |||O|76o3438767so614845r01026o59rs9sr

                                    Can you state without a doubt that peternorth.com permits you to run their videos with other company's ads all over the place but not a single link to peternorth.com anywhere on the page?

                                    That my friend is FUD.
                                    This link goes to a video posted by a WM named "BootyLoverdotinfo" with 146 uploads.
                                    The video on this page, although it is not working at the moment, uses the following linking code: "http://www.xtube.com/more.php?t=video&v=98fiBjLHDf8&u=http%3A%2F%2F track.braincash.com%2Ftrack%2FMTE1NTk0OjI6MTI%2F"
                                    This link is clearly visible if you look at the videos description - there is Peter North right there in the 120x60 banner.
                                    This user also has listed BrainCash as his sponsor for said content. I will not mention his BrainCash ID for privacy reasons.

                                    I do believe I could take all of this data to BrainCash and pose the question about permission to them, where they can say to me YES or NO.

                                    Lance Cassidy, Former Director of Sales & Marketing, XTube.com.
                                    C: 905.922.2305, ICQ: 301214977, Email: lance[at]chadster[dot]com
                                    Advertise on XTube.com

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                                      • MeganS
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Jul 2004
                                        • 1487
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by tony404
                                        Megan your becoming my personal hero What you said is smart instead its easier to attack people on GFY and threaten to ban all webmasters. Those type of statements makes it clear we are hitting a nerve.
                                        Awe!! Thank You!! That means a lot to me.

                                        It's amazing how sometimes commonsense makes me appear to be a genius in this business LOL

                                        xoxo,
                                        Megan
                                        Megan S
                                        Broadcast, Licensing and DVD
                                        www.nmgmanagement.com

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                                          • XTube_Lance
                                            Registered User
                                            • Aug 2007
                                            • 92
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by RawAlex
                                            Why is it FUD?

                                            http://video.xtube.com/watch.php?cv=1&idx=4&from=&v=98fiBjLHDf8&cl=mHpZ7V 5LM8v&a=200707101640_tnhay&b=4AJQ3gP4IOc&s=B&geo_c ountrycode=&geo_latitude=&geo_longitude=&sstr=lrf| |||O|76o3438767so614845r01026o59rs9sr

                                            Can you state without a doubt that peternorth.com permits you to run their videos with other company's ads all over the place but not a single link to peternorth.com anywhere on the page?

                                            That my friend is FUD.
                                            This link goes to a video posted by a WM named "BootyLoverdotinfo" with 146 uploads.
                                            The video on this page, although it is not working at the moment, uses the following linking code: "http://www.xtube.com/more.php?t=video&v=98fiBjLHDf8&u=http%3A%2F%2Ftrac k.braincash.com%2Ftrack%2FMTE1NTk0OjI6MTI%2F"
                                            This link is clearly visible if you look at the videos description - there is Peter North right there in the 120x60 banner.
                                            This user also has listed BrainCash as his sponsor for said content. I will not mention his BrainCash ID for privacy reasons.

                                            I do believe I could take all of this data to BrainCash and pose the question about permission to them, where they can say to me YES or NO.

                                            Lance Cassidy, Former Director of Sales & Marketing, XTube.com.
                                            C: 905.922.2305, ICQ: 301214977, Email: lance[at]chadster[dot]com
                                            Advertise on XTube.com

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                                              • Nubiles
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Apr 2002
                                                • 1496
                                                #62
                                                Interesting thread, when we sent a DMCA to xtube awhile back they had one hell of a pissy attitude about it, good to see the attitude has changed.

                                                Can you imagine if a tube site created a way for surfers to find the sponsor after watching the sponsors content rather than be confused from the bombardment of non related AFF ads and ads to other sponsor's programs.
                                                NUBILES.NET : Hosted galleries with thumbs and descriptions | nn galleries | Hosted free sites | 3 new girls shot each week | Icq 143674274

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                                                  • Libertine
                                                    sex dwarf
                                                    • May 2002
                                                    • 17860
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by Just_in_Support
                                                    Libertine watch, choose a Site from an affiliate program, anyone you chose and i will find all the stuff on all four sites in less than 24 hours
                                                    Now add the torrent sites and the file upload sites, and it'll be quite a bit more work. Then factor in that new content gets added all the time in user uploads and shares - many things with no clear tags, so it can't be easily blocked or found.


                                                    Can't you understand that this is a big problem for many webmasters?
                                                    /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                      • XTube_Lance
                                                        Registered User
                                                        • Aug 2007
                                                        • 92
                                                        #64
                                                        Sorry for the double post, the GFY site is really slow.

                                                        XTube does NOT want the stolen content. That is a ridiculous statement. We spend a lot of time and effort to make sure the stolen shit is not on our site.

                                                        Lance Cassidy, Former Director of Sales & Marketing, XTube.com.
                                                        C: 905.922.2305, ICQ: 301214977, Email: lance[at]chadster[dot]com
                                                        Advertise on XTube.com

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                                                          • XTube_Lance
                                                            Registered User
                                                            • Aug 2007
                                                            • 92
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Drunkspringbreakgirls
                                                            Interesting thread, when we sent a DMCA to xtube awhile back they had one hell of a pissy attitude about it, good to see the attitude has changed.

                                                            Can you imagine if a tube site created a way for surfers to find the sponsor after watching the sponsors content rather than be confused from the bombardment of non related AFF ads and ads to other sponsor's programs.
                                                            I would LOVE to know the details surrounding this because I can locate exactly who dealt with you and I can take actions related to it.

                                                            Lance Cassidy, Former Director of Sales & Marketing, XTube.com.
                                                            C: 905.922.2305, ICQ: 301214977, Email: lance[at]chadster[dot]com
                                                            Advertise on XTube.com

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                                                              • RawAlex
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                • 9465
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by Just_in_Support
                                                                Its FUD In your case cuz heres the link that goes directly to Peter Norths Site
                                                                hxxp://ww.xtube.com/more.php?t=video&v=98fiBjLHDf8&u=http%3A%2F%2F track.braincash.com%2Ftrack%2FMTE1NTk0OjI6MTI%2F

                                                                Add the HTTP, and a w to www, cuz i could not post a URL
                                                                Oh Yeah and PWN
                                                                Yeah right... I found the link, I had to scroll past the 20 or 30 cam ads down to the small area 1.5 screen down that describes the video to click on a small link.

                                                                In clear view with the video are two sets of etology ads, two sets of money tree cam ads, two other unrelated banners, your join link, and about 20 other things.



                                                                One link... far below the fold... below the "donate to this poster" link... proves exactly how important you think that link off is.
                                                                Last edited by RawAlex; 08-15-2007, 02:15 PM.

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                                                                  • XTube_Lance
                                                                    Registered User
                                                                    • Aug 2007
                                                                    • 92
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by Libertine
                                                                    Can't you understand that this is a big problem for many webmasters?
                                                                    Yes, I do, and I have spent a lot of time today trying to explain how we handle it. I have also been trying to explain that the WMs you talk about are most often the same people uploading this stuff.

                                                                    Lance Cassidy, Former Director of Sales & Marketing, XTube.com.
                                                                    C: 905.922.2305, ICQ: 301214977, Email: lance[at]chadster[dot]com
                                                                    Advertise on XTube.com

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                                                                      • shermo
                                                                        #68
                                                                        I just had a look at the system, and it seems as if several steps are taken to confirm legitimacy of ownership of the videos. It was actually quite a process, and I feel confident that if sponsors utilize tools like these to get their content seen, that we can all benefit.

                                                                        This is nothing new...People have seeded p2p networks, newsgroups, etc. for ages with branded content. This is just a new tool that can be used to your advantage if you just choose to work with it instead of against it.

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                                                                          • D
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Jan 2006
                                                                            • 7412
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by SWorldMegan
                                                                            I checked out your site .. you guys seem to be fairly on top of keeping the stolen stuff out. Most of what i see is trailers and tgp clips. BUT ...

                                                                            I don't think you should say you just can't police it. Does that mean you don't police it if their was CP? How do you verify the age of the people on your site? What about beasty stuff?? I am sure your keeping that off.

                                                                            I think all anyone wants you to say .. is we are doing our best to keep copyrighted/stolen content off of here .. sometimes we fuck up .. and if we do .. the second we get wind of it .. it will come down and that persons account .. be it webmaster or silly uploaded will be TOS'ed. I don't expect everyone to know what's mine or the 500 other studios .. but if you get something that looks professionally made .. and it's over 5 minutes/not a trailer/tgp clip/ .. maybe not posting it would be the answer.

                                                                            I just don't want to have to fight with people to take my shit down if i tell you it's up there illeagally. And i would love to see people making at least a freaking effort to controlling their own damn sites for god sake!! if you can control it enough to have it make money .. you can control it enough to "put your best foot forward" on stopping theft!

                                                                            Megan

                                                                            I <3 Megan.
                                                                            -D.
                                                                            ICQ: 202-96-31

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                                                                              • shermo
                                                                                #70
                                                                                I just had a look at the system, and it seems as if several steps are taken to confirm legitimacy of ownership of the videos. It was actually quite a process, and I feel confident that if sponsors utilize tools like these to get their content seen, that we can all benefit.

                                                                                This is nothing new...People have seeded p2p networks, newsgroups, etc. for ages with branded content. This is just a new tool that can be used to your advantage if you just choose to work with it instead of against it.

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                                                                                  • TampaToker
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • May 2006
                                                                                    • 5828
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by XTube_Lance
                                                                                    In fact, I encourage anyone to search our site for something they think should not be there, and then let me know. I will have it dealt with as soon as I get it, and you know it.
                                                                                    But it should of never been uploaded in the first place. Its like one of those we will take care of it later deals . Also what type of screening procedure do you have in place before a user uploads a video? Also how do you compensate a webmaster who's videos has been uploaded with out there permission?
                                                                                    Icq 247-742-205

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                                                                                      • RawAlex
                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                        • 9465
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by shermsshack
                                                                                        I just had a look at the system, and it seems as if several steps are taken to confirm legitimacy of ownership of the videos. It was actually quite a process, and I feel confident that if sponsors utilize tools like these to get their content seen, that we can all benefit.

                                                                                        This is nothing new...People have seeded p2p networks, newsgroups, etc. for ages with branded content. This is just a new tool that can be used to your advantage if you just choose to work with it instead of against it.

                                                                                        It really shouldn't be that difficult - ask for the documents, set up a dedicated fax machine, approve the video. No big deal.

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                                                                                          • TampaToker
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • May 2006
                                                                                            • 5828
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                            It really shouldn't be that difficult - ask for the documents, set up a dedicated fax machine, approve the video. No big deal.
                                                                                            Pretty much what i was going to say
                                                                                            Icq 247-742-205

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                                                                                              • XTube_Lance
                                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                                • Aug 2007
                                                                                                • 92
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                Yeah right... I found the link, I had to scroll past the 20 or 30 cam ads down to the small area 1.5 screen down that describes the video to click on a small link.

                                                                                                In clear view with the video are two sets of etology ads, two sets of money tree cam ads, two other unrelated banners, your join link, and about 20 other things.

                                                                                                One link... far below the fold... below the "donate to this poster" link... proves exactly how important you think that link off is.
                                                                                                You are right, and I agree with you, that there are too many ads that appear before the description of the video, but having said that - the description of the video uses the standard XTube look and feel, and within that is the 120x60 banner and link. No other ads use the XTube branded look and feel, and we feel that this improves the value of the 120x60 that appears there. It looks like XTube approves of the content rather than just anther ad.

                                                                                                Also, users of the site learn and adapt - they all know where to look when they want to get more of the content they are looking at, and the proof is in the repeat uploads from WMs. Why else would they continue to upload if there was poor RIO?

                                                                                                Lance Cassidy, Former Director of Sales & Marketing, XTube.com.
                                                                                                C: 905.922.2305, ICQ: 301214977, Email: lance[at]chadster[dot]com
                                                                                                Advertise on XTube.com

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                                                                                                  • MeganS
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Jul 2004
                                                                                                    • 1487
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Drunkspringbreakgirls
                                                                                                    Interesting thread, when we sent a DMCA to xtube awhile back they had one hell of a pissy attitude about it, good to see the attitude has changed.

                                                                                                    Can you imagine if a tube site created a way for surfers to find the sponsor after watching the sponsors content rather than be confused from the bombardment of non related AFF ads and ads to other sponsor's programs.
                                                                                                    Ding Ding Ding .. we have a winner

                                                                                                    P.S. thats my issue you too .. if you know it's stolen and especially if i tell you it is .. don't argue with me when i tell you to pull it down!

                                                                                                    xoxo,
                                                                                                    Megan
                                                                                                    Megan S
                                                                                                    Broadcast, Licensing and DVD
                                                                                                    www.nmgmanagement.com

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                                                                                                      • XTube_Lance
                                                                                                        Registered User
                                                                                                        • Aug 2007
                                                                                                        • 92
                                                                                                        #76
                                                                                                        Good night everyone. I will review the posts following this in the morning.

                                                                                                        Lance Cassidy, Former Director of Sales & Marketing, XTube.com.
                                                                                                        C: 905.922.2305, ICQ: 301214977, Email: lance[at]chadster[dot]com
                                                                                                        Advertise on XTube.com

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                                                                                                          • RawAlex
                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                            • 9465
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Lance, there should be no other company's content on the page with that content.

                                                                                                            from braincash's site:

                                                                                                            Can I build my own galleries with the samples provided?
                                                                                                            Yes, but you'll have to host everything yourself. We do not allow hot linking to our content, except banners. We do not allow you to promote other sites than ours with Braincash content.
                                                                                                            The very essense of your site puts the affiliates in violation of the rules of the program. There is no way that an affiliate can post a video on your pages without breaking the rules of the game. They don't have the rights to do that, simple as that.

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                                                                                                              • tony299
                                                                                                                lurker
                                                                                                                • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                • 57021
                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by SWorldMegan
                                                                                                                Ding Ding Ding .. we have a winner

                                                                                                                P.S. thats my issue you too .. if you know it's stolen and especially if i tell you it is .. don't argue with me when i tell you to pull it down!

                                                                                                                xoxo,
                                                                                                                Megan
                                                                                                                That happened with microsoft, we found a msn group that had close to 900 of our images. The DMCA was sent from a email with the sites domain, they made us write back with every url for every pic to get the group taken down. Bastards

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                                                                                                                  • darnit
                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                    • 2439
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    Information wants to be free

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                                                                                                                      • Libertine
                                                                                                                        sex dwarf
                                                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                                                        • 17860
                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Ok, so I took a closer look at XTube.

                                                                                                                        Very first video I look at is by this user:
                                                                                                                        http://www.xtube.com/user_videos.php?u=kameo20

                                                                                                                        I have no idea whether he's a webmaster or not, but none of the watermarked videos seem to have links going to sites by the programs owning the sites in the watermarks. Most videos seem to have been uploaded a full year ago and have thousands of views, so obviously, they're there to stay.

                                                                                                                        Somehow, I don't think users like this are an exception...
                                                                                                                        /(bb|[^b]{2})/

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                                                                                                                          • steved
                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                            • 1963
                                                                                                                            #81
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by XTube_Lance
                                                                                                                            There was a business thread in which many people expressed their opinions about XTube and the volume of DMCA violations therein. The purpose of this thread is to ask all webmasters and sponsors if XTube should ban WMs from using the site.

                                                                                                                            This is an important question that you might want to think over because there are WMs who make money redirecting our members, for free.

                                                                                                                            Also, this is the thread to ask questions about how we operate, what we do about violations and how to get violations dealt with.
                                                                                                                            The same copyright problems happen VoyeurWeb, RedClouds, and Homeclips as well as other similar sites, but they don't allow affiliates or affiliate programs to submit videos or pictures to get free traffic.

                                                                                                                            I don't like people posting stolen content at all, but XTube and Rude.com are great resources for honest webmasters and affilate programs that play by the rules. Quality traffic is not usually given away for free.
                                                                                                                            Last edited by steved; 08-15-2007, 02:49 PM.

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                                                                                                                              • Nathan
                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                • 3108
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                                                I'm in Canada, and running a "user submitted content" site up here is a huge risk , because a single piece of CP sends you to jail. But since they can't get processing in Canada for porn, you would have to track back and see what company is running the website for money collection purposes and where that is located to get a better idea of the 2257 implications.
                                                                                                                                XTube is a service provider, they do not actively select the content, its just put up and they just remove content that they feel is illegal. This way there is no need for them to keep 2257 info, even under US law.

                                                                                                                                That is why they do not actively pick each set of content... if they did, they would have to keep 2257 info... for the US laws at least..

                                                                                                                                This just as a note regarding 2257...

                                                                                                                                Now go on with the thread ;)
                                                                                                                                "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                                                                                                                                - Charlie Munger

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                                                                                                                                  • RawAlex
                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                    • 9465
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                                                    XTube is a service provider, they do not actively select the content, its just put up and they just remove content that they feel is illegal. This way there is no need for them to keep 2257 info, even under US law.

                                                                                                                                    That is why they do not actively pick each set of content... if they did, they would have to keep 2257 info... for the US laws at least..

                                                                                                                                    This just as a note regarding 2257...

                                                                                                                                    Now go on with the thread ;)
                                                                                                                                    Sorry, but I have to disagree. If we were talking about 2257 circa 1995 or so, you might have something. Even then, it is questionable.

                                                                                                                                    xtube changes the format of the videos. The add their trailer / logo onto the videos. They sort them by type, content, name, etc. They publish them on webpages that they alone control (the submitters do not control the pages that their content appears on).

                                                                                                                                    From where I sit, Xtube received, encodes, repackages and redistributes the videos on their website. Sourcing the videos from a content supplier or from the general public to build a website doesn't change the nature of the game. "hosting" and hosting alone wouldn't involve things like re-encoding, managing, listing, indexing, insertion on page, etc.

                                                                                                                                    At minimum, they are a secondary producer, and with absense of contact information for the individual posters, they could be the defacto primary producer (because no other information is provided).

                                                                                                                                    It is a very, very long stretch to say that xtube is nothing more than a filehost, doubly so because the line between the "content for sale" and the "user submitted content" is blurred by the format of the site.

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                                                                                                                                      • EdgeXXX
                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                                        • 5816
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Ok, so why don't you allow webmasters and sponsors to post clips but FORBID the surfers from uploading content?
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                                                                                                                                          • steved
                                                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                            • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                            • 1963
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by EdgeXXX
                                                                                                                                            Ok, so why don't you allow webmasters and sponsors to post clips but FORBID the surfers from uploading content?
                                                                                                                                            That would be nice I think there are a couple sites doing this, if not, it's a good idea for a new site.

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                                                                                                                                              • SteveLightspeed
                                                                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 7940
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                You don't know what "copyrighted content" LOOKS like?

                                                                                                                                                Try searching the name "Tawnee Stone" or "Jordan Capri" or "Lightspeed". When it has my URLs all over it, do you really think its "amateur produced". I especially like the copy of Jordan Capri's hardcore tape with the torrent site labelled on top of it.... yeah, that's obviously "user-submitted"... You want support from the industry? Then stop ripping us off and pretending to be ignorant to it!

                                                                                                                                                Steve Lightspeed
                                                                                                                                                Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                                                                                                  • SteveLightspeed
                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                    • 7940
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by SteveLightspeed
                                                                                                                                                    You don't know what "copyrighted content" LOOKS like?

                                                                                                                                                    Try searching the name "Tawnee Stone" or "Jordan Capri" or "Lightspeed". When it has my URLs all over it, do you really think its "amateur produced". I especially like the copy of Jordan Capri's hardcore tape with the torrent site labelled on top of it.... yeah, that's obviously "user-submitted"... You want support from the industry? Then stop ripping us off and pretending to be ignorant to it!

                                                                                                                                                    Steve Lightspeed
                                                                                                                                                    Proof is here
                                                                                                                                                    http://www.xtube.com/play_re.php?v=xvXxAyfQ2uH&page=1
                                                                                                                                                    Abra-cadabra!

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                                                                                                                                                      • RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                        • 9465
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        I particularly like the jordan hardcore clip with the porntorrents logo across the middle of it. Classic.

                                                                                                                                                        Xtube is starting to look like another Guba.

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                                                                                                                                                          • TheAccountant
                                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                            • 705
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by SteveLightspeed
                                                                                                                                                            You don't know what "copyrighted content" LOOKS like?

                                                                                                                                                            Try searching the name "Tawnee Stone" or "Jordan Capri" or "Lightspeed". When it has my URLs all over it, do you really think its "amateur produced". I especially like the copy of Jordan Capri's hardcore tape with the torrent site labelled on top of it.... yeah, that's obviously "user-submitted"... You want support from the industry? Then stop ripping us off and pretending to be ignorant to it!

                                                                                                                                                            Steve Lightspeed
                                                                                                                                                            That proves that xtube should be populated by webmasters (with refcode of sponsors) and amateur users. The normal users are uploading shit!

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                                                                                                                                                              • TheAccountant
                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                                • 705
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Ok, I did a test! 100&#37; recently uploaded movies from webmasters accounts are legal! Not stolen at all. I cannot say the same for normal users that grab everything and post everything. Lance, you need to focus on normal users and not point finger against webmasters.

                                                                                                                                                                With webmaster you're safe! No bullshit, no stolen contents. Why they have to kill themselves? Amateurs are safe too. Normal users are the problem.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                    • 9465
                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by simons
                                                                                                                                                                    Ok, I did a test! 100% recently uploaded movies from webmasters accounts are legal! Not stolen at all. I cannot say the same for normal users that grab everything and post everything. Lance, you need to focus on normal users and not point finger against webmasters.

                                                                                                                                                                    With webmaster you're safe! No bullshit, no stolen contents. Why they have to kill themselves? Amateurs are safe too. Normal users are the problem.
                                                                                                                                                                    Again, sorry, but you are wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                    Pretty much every program I have seen has limits on how content can be used. Most programs do not grant webmasters the right to repost or distribute their content on other sites. Also most programs do not allow their content to promote any other site, but clearly posting on xtube promotes mtree, at least 2 other programs, plus whatever is on etology on every page, which would make it an invalid promotion.

                                                                                                                                                                    Affiliates typically don't have the permission to distribute content in this manner. They don't have the documents to support a 2257 request, they don't have a contractual right to allow anyone else to publish it.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • CDSmith
                                                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                        • May 2001
                                                                                                                                                                        • 51460
                                                                                                                                                                        #92
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by XTube_Lance
                                                                                                                                                                        You guys are all ridiculous. You are the people putting the content on XTube, and now you are all talking about it being our fault.

                                                                                                                                                                        It looks like, if I go by what happens on GFY, I am going to shut down all WM accounts. At least when I do that any pro content on the site would immediately be identifiable as a dmca violation.
                                                                                                                                                                        Is this a tantrum you're having? You HAD to know that in bringing your issue to this board you were going to get your feet held to the fire at least a little. How could you not know that, and be prepared for it?

                                                                                                                                                                        Keep your cool and just do what's right and address some of these concerns, because some of them appear to have considerable merit. Or come with more attitude and this thread WILL deteriorate into a train wreck.
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                                                                                                                                                                          • studd
                                                                                                                                                                            Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                                                                            • 70
                                                                                                                                                                            #93
                                                                                                                                                                            douchebags.

                                                                                                                                                                            bang bros VIOLATION:
                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.xtube.com/play_re.php?v=990jAEvA77K

                                                                                                                                                                            bang bros VIOLATION:
                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.xtube.com/play_re.php?v=99Z5OVtqTo3

                                                                                                                                                                            bang bros VIOLATION:
                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.xtube.com/play_re.php?v=99QjKl06AEA

                                                                                                                                                                            sean cody VIOLATION:
                                                                                                                                                                            http://www.xtube.com/play_re.php?v=99VFKkma14k

                                                                                                                                                                            and on and on and on and on

                                                                                                                                                                            Poor bang bros & sean cody, you'd think if xtube cared they would create some sort of filter to at least try to prevent bang bros content from being uploaded.

                                                                                                                                                                            Instead, in order to get their PROPERTY removed from the site they have to go through a long process. That doesn't fix the fact that xtube profits for the views the videos get BEFORE it is removed.

                                                                                                                                                                            People love free content, I'm sure they are searching for their favorite content on xtube everyday (bangbros, etc)

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                                                                                                                                                                              • studd
                                                                                                                                                                                Registered User
                                                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                • 70
                                                                                                                                                                                #94
                                                                                                                                                                                Check out them views for those videos as well. The sean cody one has 30 - 40k

                                                                                                                                                                                We all know there could have been at least ONE sale in there ;)

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 18481
                                                                                                                                                                                    #95
                                                                                                                                                                                    I love it when idiots call for a site to be shut down just because some unauthorized content is being posted. Sit back for a second and imagine an internet that killed sites that had abusive members. Fact is, there wouldn't be much of anything left. GFY wouldn't even be around anymore.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • TheAccountant
                                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 705
                                                                                                                                                                                        #96
                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                                                        Again, sorry, but you are wrong.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Pretty much every program I have seen has limits on how content can be used. Most programs do not grant webmasters the right to repost or distribute their content on other sites. Also most programs do not allow their content to promote any other site, but clearly posting on xtube promotes mtree, at least 2 other programs, plus whatever is on etology on every page, which would make it an invalid promotion.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Affiliates typically don't have the permission to distribute content in this manner. They don't have the documents to support a 2257 request, they don't have a contractual right to allow anyone else to publish it.
                                                                                                                                                                                        Personally I have 100% agreement of the owner of the paysite that I promote.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • TheAccountant
                                                                                                                                                                                            So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                            • 705
                                                                                                                                                                                            #97
                                                                                                                                                                                            Is really needed a list of allowed and not allowed programs to promote. People keeps promoting stole contents even when/if webmasters are banned because webmasters don't cheat and don't post stolen contents.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • TheAccountant
                                                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2005
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 705
                                                                                                                                                                                                #98
                                                                                                                                                                                                So all gallery submitters are cheating the program that they're promoting. Bah!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • maxpower
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • May 2006
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 734
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #99
                                                                                                                                                                                                    I am sure site/content owners and affiliates will work with you, but really I am having problems seeing where your point is, or why anyone would want their products on your site if your not going to work with us. Because the Vids for the most part on your site are owned by many on this board and willing to bet they would all say they are Webmasters at last in some ways.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Really I don’t get it? What I hear is Fuck You we will use your hard work and property and not even let you work with us. If you want to stop anyone from posting videos is should be Non Webmasters or content holders, as anyone else for the most part is just posting stolen content.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Lets say Ebay did the same thing, and did not want to let the owners of the property list it, but if you do not have the right to sell they would be more than happy to give it away for you. Would this not be call the Back Market and would someone not be going to jail?

                                                                                                                                                                                                    If their is some misunderstanding now would be a good time to make us all understand as it sounds to me you want to cut out the rightfully owners of the content and only deal with (viewers) that do not have the right to be posting it. This is really backwards, if anything you should be glad the “webmasters” or those with the right to the content want to list it with you, and be trying to work with us not against us. Nothing is perfect but fuck seems you are talking about removing the only legitimate part of the site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    Please just work with us not against us.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Last edited by maxpower; 08-15-2007, 05:57 PM.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Nubiles
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 1496
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #100
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yeah right... I found the link, I had to scroll past the 20 or 30 cam ads down to the small area 1.5 screen down that describes the video to click on a small link.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        In clear view with the video are two sets of etology ads, two sets of money tree cam ads, two other unrelated banners, your join link, and about 20 other things.



                                                                                                                                                                                                        One link... far below the fold... below the "donate to this poster" link... proves exactly how important you think that link off is.
                                                                                                                                                                                                        EXACTLY. This is the problem. Sponsors dont care if you have some of their content up if you are sending traffic but there is no way in hell someone is going to find that link.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        If a webmaster grabs some content from a site and makes tgp galleries with a million AFF ads and one tiny hidden banner to the program that is a problem.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Change your banner system so there is an obvious link to the program of the displayed content not to AFF. End of problems.
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