Look who is supporting and funding CHILD PORN and BESTIALITY!!! (You get one guess)

Woj was here... honest.

Don't forget their is a serious amount of SCAT on that site sponsored by brother Lars.

Keep that in mind.

Go Lars you fucking rock.

I would like to respond to this thread by interjecting some facts.

1. Various Inc. / AFF are extremely serious about preventing their advertisements from appearing on any pages which contain or link to suspected child pornography content. Their legal department is very responsive to these issues and we are working with them to assist in this regard. No company, especially one as prominent as Various Inc., would be willingly involved in the exploitation of children and be able to stay in business, never mind the ramifications of having the DOJ come down hard on them.

2. The ASACP reporting hotline receives in excess of 7,000 reports per month of suspected child pornography. We fully investigate and report EVERY questionable site to our contacts in law enforcement which includes NCMEC (cybertipline), F.B.I. and several international hotlines.

3. The ASACP hotline does not respond with specific details of a report and have not for several years. Our system sends an automated response when a report is processed which states...

"Thank you for sending this report to ASACP.

You sent us the url of .... on 2007-00-00
00:00:00.

The Site Reviewer will investigate your report. If the images appear to be child pornography, ASACP will investigate further and send a report to the
FBI, National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and relevant international hotlines.

Please review our FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) page for the answers to most common questions.

We appreciate your support in combating child pornography.

(Please do not reply to this email message, as it was sent from our internal system)"

4. It is not a good idea to post suspected cp or links to suspected cp to a public board such as GFY. Please report any suspected cp you come across to the ASACP hotline. All reports are meticulously investigated and every report that is even questionable is sent on to the appropriate authorities as well as billing and hosting companies involved.

5. If you don't trust ASACP then please report to the cybertipline which is run by NCMEC (The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children) if anyone needs the link please email me or ICQ me and I would be happy to provide that. ASACP just wants to make sure that suspected child exploitation gets reported to authorities period.

6. ASACP is a collaborating member of the Financial Coalition Against Child Pornography which was set up and is run by NCMEC. I personally am a member of the FCACP-AWG (Financial Coalition Against Child Pornography - Analytics Working Group) along with representatives of the major financial institutions, F.B.I. and other technology and investigative organizations.

If anyone has any specific questions or concerns about ASACP, one of our members or sponsors or a report(s) submitted to the ASACP hotline please email, ICQ or call me and I would be happy to address any issues you may have.

Thank you

Nice post Tim, but I think a lot of people are not so trusting in ASACP as much as they once were. Do not get me wrong, you are a good cause and stand for something good. But, when you accept money from people who work with questionable content, and CP terms and do nothing about it, it makes it appear you are just about the money, and not about what it morally or ethically right.

AFF was fully aware of the sites they were on prior to making a contribution to you, and they are on the same exact sites today.

Nothing has changes, and honestly I see there ads on even more questionable sites since donating to you.

It's like it gave them a get out of jail free card.

Shouldn't a company of your stature have a zero tolerance rule? If you work with anything even mildly close to CP we do not want your money?

This will be my last post regarding this thread.

ASACP does in fact have a zero tolerance policy regarding any member or sponsor site which publishes, directly links to or uses child pornography keywords.

This is not the case here. This is a case of advertising on sites which allow user generated content to be posted. There will always be issues with sites that allow user generated content. Various Inc. makes regular reports to us when they discover suspected child pornography content and those reports are fully investigated and passed along to our contacts in law enforcement. As well they are taking positive action to minimize their ads from appearing on sites that contain child pornography descriptions and / or suspected child pornography content posted by users of these sites.

I must disagree that... "I think a lot of people are not so trusting in ASACP as much as they once were"

This is purely conjecture and innuendo intended to discredit ASACP. The fact is that ASACP continually receives great praise for our work from our members, sponsors, the industry as a whole, government and law enforcement. I can attest to this personally having just returned last week from Internext in Florida. It was very gratifying to talk to so many adult companies both large and small, members and non members alike who had nothing but praise for our efforts and accomplishments to date.

With any organization such as ASACP who seeks to make a difference and improve the image of the adult industry with law enforcement, the government and the general public there are always, unfortunately, a few detractors but I'm happy and thankful that the vast majority not only support our efforts but also have high praise for us.

Being a member or sponsor site of ASACP is NOT a get out of jail free card. Any adult company, be they members / sponsors or not are subject to the laws of the land. If they break the law the consequences are the same.

I would like to reiterate that any suspected child pornography content that anyone comes across needs to be reported. If you don't "trust" us then please report this to the cybertipline (NCMEC). If you have FACTS that any of our members or sponsors are involved in illegal activity please email me the proof and I will personally act upon it immediately. If you don't trust ASACP because it is one of our members or sponsors and you believe that we will not act because we "are just about the money" the please report this to NCMEC tip line. All that is important is that suspected child exploitation is reported period.

For those that are not aware ASACP is a non-profit 501(c)(4) Social Welfare Organization. We are currently working on our 501 (c)(3) status. We are not for profit. All of our donations by the adult industry and general public are spent to protect children and protect the adult industry.

We are NOT about the money.

As i said in my previous post ...

If anyone has any specific questions or concerns about ASACP, one of our members or sponsors or a report(s) submitted to the ASACP hotline please email, ICQ or call me and I would be happy to address any issues you may have.

Thanks

Tim, this is how it works on Torrent sites.... Content is added everyday, the ads that aff use rotate on the torrent site. What content is on the same page as AFF's advertisement is impossible for AFF's Lawyers to control.

In regards to them being willing involved. Do you agree that there is CP on some of the torrent that AFF is advertsing on, the same page infact. ( I am sure someone here can post links if needed). This was brought to their attention SEVERAL months ago. But, instead of stopping their advertising on torrent sites while they look for a solution, they continue KNOWING full well that their ads will be displayed on the same pages as CP. Do they "WILLING" do it? I am sure they would rather not have their add next to CP, but they are not WILLING to stop this because evidently the $$$ is more important to them.

You guys either are unaware what is going on here or you are more concerned with having them as a contributor then holding them accountable for their actions. I can only hope that you are in the dark on this one, as I would hate to think that the alternative is true. But, it has to be one or the other, what AFF is doing is dead wrong.

What? LOL

Very well said.

Ok, So it is the ASACP's stance that it is ok for people to advertise on sites that contain " user generated content" even if that content is CP.

So it is not ok to advertise on a site where the webmaster puts the CP on the page but it is ok to advertise on a site where the users put the CP on the site..... excuse my language, but WTF ?

Tim, you make it sound like CP is a problem on a lot of " user generated content" sites. This is NOT the case. I don't see CP on Youtube, myspace, facebook, etc... but it is COMMON on torrent sites that are hosted over seas in places like russia where they can have CP on their site and not be held accountable for it. This isn't an issue of " user generated content" it is an issue in regards to Torrents. Since CP is on most Torrent sites wouldn't be logical to not allow people to advertise on Torrent sites???

Tim, let me walk you through this. Torrent sites exploits children and has CP posted on it. Torrent site makes money from advertisers. AFF KNOWINGLY is aware that torrent sites have CP on them since they claim they are " working on was to avoid their add showing up next to CP". AFF send money to the site that exploits children. Instead of fighting CP, they are funding the site that is exploting children and distributing CP. WTF ???

and the ASACP response is " There will always be issues with sites that allow user generated content. "

very very upsetting to see you guys respond this way. very disapointing.

Why will this be your last post? If you are 100% confident in your postion and that AFF is doing NOTHING wrong then why do we have to continue our conversation on ICQ??? Everyone is acting professional and respectful of each other with their replies, and several people are interested in hearing what you have to say, so why do we have to make this private ?

Horseshit. You're telling me that ASACP could function "effectively" without the big money donations that you receive? Didn't think so.

The first thing you did in this thread was come in and defend one of your big sponsors (AFF/Various, Inc) telling everyone how serious they are about preventing their advertisements from appearing on any pages which contain or link to suspected child pornography content. Your either lying to us or your lying to yourself. Notice the majority of the porn programs don't have this problem? The fact is that AFF/Various is only "serious" about it when they get caught; otherwise they are perfectly content with ignoring the problem and cashing those checks.





Are you a volunteer or are you compensated for your time?

You might want to think about rewriting your Zero Tolerance policy. So it is not ok to link to a site that has CP on it, but it is ok to advertise on a site that has "user generated content", rigth next to the CP content.

" AFF you can't link to CP, but you can advertise next to it, on the same page, as long as users put the cp there and not the site owner."

I don't think anyone is asking you to bash on AFF for doing this, but to accept their money and try to make it sound like they are doing nothing wrong. you got to be kidding me?

This will be my very last post on this thread.

will76

Please do not twist my words around. I will not be drawn into a slug fest on this board.

Child exploitation is not ok under any circumstances period. I have spent 12 years of my professional life fighting child exploitation and I have 2 young children of my own.

In fact cp is a problem on the user generated content sites you mentioned. I process reports very regularly involving these sites. Just because you have not personally run accross them does not mean it doesn't happen.

I did not say it was ok. I said...

"Various Inc. makes regular reports to us when they discover suspected child pornography content and those reports are fully investigated and passed along to our contacts in law enforcement. As well they are taking positive action to minimize their ads from appearing on sites that contain child pornography descriptions and / or suspected child pornography content posted by users of these sites."

They are reporting the suspected child pornography on these sites even though their ads may or may not appear on the same pages as these links. They are trying to be part of the solution by reporting it so there is a chance the perps will be caught and the children will be rescued.

As I said before please report these incidents to our hotline or the NCMEC hotline so the suspected exploitation can be investigated by the proper authorities. If you have proof that Various Inc. is involved in any illegal activity then report this to us and / or the authorities directly. They are subject to the laws of the land just as any adult company is.

If anyone has any specific questions or concerns about ASACP, one of our members or sponsors or a report(s) submitted to the ASACP hotline please email, ICQ or call me and I would be happy to address any issues you may have.

Thanks

No need for me to twist anything or put words in your mouth when I am quoting you.

Good for Various for making regular reports about CP.

You said " ASACP does in fact have a zero tolerance policy regarding any member or sponsor site which publishes, directly links to or uses child pornography keywords.

This is not the case here. This is a case of advertising on sites which allow user generated content to be posted. There will always be issues with sites that allow user generated content. "

So you said it is OK for AFF to KNOWINGLY advertise on Torrent sites that have CP on it because the CP is submitted by "users" and not the site owner.

In the rare cases of CP being displayed on Myspace, Youtube, FaceBook, etc.. i am sure it is delt with right away by the site admin and deleted and reported to the authorities. On the other hand, try reporting the CP on a torrent site to the torrent site owner over in Russia and see how far it gets you. Please sir, don't even try to compare the two.

hm I will look again, I didn't catch that one

What is this positive action? it is bullshit. Remember it is user submitted content, how can they control what is displayed next to their ad when the content is user submitted???????

You said you have a ZERO tolerance policy. How in the hell AFF is allowed to advertise on sites that have CP on it, right next to the CP, AFF admitt there is a problem here but they are " working on it". AFF then pays these sites to advertise there, essentially funding the site that is exploiting children, and yet all of this is in compliance with your " ZERO " tolerance policy ???


Explain this to me, don't you find it a little ironic that AFF on one hand reports the instances of CP on these site but then on the other hand sends money to these sites, allowing them to opperate ???


SO I can be an ASACP member and advertise next to CP on torrent sites ?

you know, these days I am so about my own business I don't sit and search this shit out like you all do, but CP is always one thing that really gets under my skin....I can handle the stolen content, I can handle the shaving, I can handle most bullshit...but when you step into the light and are basically sending people money that promote CP, that is where you cross the line

Torrent sites are one thing, those are people using CP terms to try and get people to download their torrent, I never saw bit of proof that there was CP on any torrent sites, just a LOT of cp terms

now this, unfortunately, we have proof, that screenshot on page 1 is 100% without a doubt, a girl younger than 15, easily

I am done. you will see no more posting from me on this matter. I am going to work privately on this matter from here on out.

First thing I am going to do is spend a week or two finding emails and snail mail address for EVERY news outlet in the united states.

Next up I am going to research and see every site I can find questionable content on, and research EVERY advertiser those ads are on.

next, I am going to research every advertiser and find what companies they are associated with....for instance, I wonder if the movie studio that used AFF in their major picture release would have used them if they knew that there are AFF ads next to child porn?

then I will begin sending emails and letters out, and this is where I will need help and will be setting up a website with pre formatted letters.

anyway, you get the idea...CP pisses me off, and I not going to sit and whine on GFY about, I am going to take action

I was dissapointed to see Guba be a member of ASACP. Guba has 0 control regarding the legality of content they provide access to their members. I'm aware of isp/usenet status, still I believe ASACP would be fine without having such sponsor/member...

Jace, I have to say that when that screenshot was posted I was extremely disturbed. However, after looking on Megarotic I have yet to find anything even remotely close to what was posted. Not saying it isn't there, just saying that if it is they must be using some pedo keywords that the average surfer has no knowledge of. It does no good to alert the media and authorities without being able to point them to the exact content in question. Just my .02

GUBA is a member of ASACP?

Oh, for fuck's sake! GUBA actually had CP on their fucking front page at one point!

And people bitch cause the government wants to step. We cant even police are self no more. Aff is a platinum sponsor of the ASACP. Yet AFF is making money off of the same folks that ASACP is trying to stop go figure.

As a father and business man i am truly sickened by what i am seeing here. I don't care who you are you can not say this is not a conflict of interest.

Tim who do i contact in your organizations to get a copy of your 990 form returns for the last 3 years?

Edge I can assure you I have found stuff on Megarotic, and on torrent sites that is in fact underage. And it's quite disturbing to say the least, even moreso that ASACP is blowing smoke up our ass because they were paid money.

Amazing how money can blind people, it's rather common, and that's a sad fact, but when money blinds you to children being taken advantage of it goes from being blind to being grossly ignorant.

Being that ASACP accepts money from companies like Guba, AFF and others shows there true stance. This is not being said to discredit them, they are doing a nice job or discrediting themselves by their actions.

I was just doing some work and I got to thinking.

Where I am from ZERO tolerance means there is no grey area, no fence to walk on. If you are in any way shape or form affiliated with something my ZERO tolerance rule would say sorry I refuse to work with you until you clean up your act.

But, with ASACP it appears they have a different view on ZERO tolerance. For them it appears that as long as you are not the one trafficking CP then your money is good, if people you pay money do that's ok, as long as your not the one touching it.

So this means I can open a site and people can trade videos and pictures on it, some of those pictures and videos will in fact be CP, but everything on the site is submitted by end users, I don't actually touch it. I just give people a place to trade CP and other types of media. And this would not be against their Zero Tolerance policy and they would accept me as a sponsor and allow me to put the ASACP logo on my site.

Who cares that I am single handedly helping traffic and spread CP around the net, and giving a place for people to do it. As long as I'm not actually uploading it to the server, but letting others do-so it's all within their ZERO tolerance policy as something that is acceptable.

This is amazing.

I support ASACP and have done so since its inception over a decade ago

Just another reason not to support AFF...

Man Im glad im on a diet because more and more I lose my appetite when I read threads like this. How do people live with themselves defending things they know are wrong? It's like no job is worth that. Jace is right the whining on boards isnt going to do shit, action has to be taken. If its not taken its going to get worse because our industry is filled with short sighted whores.

let me know if you need any help. Some people make comments like, what do you do just bitch on a forum? I like to think it is making people aware. If people wouldn't have made threads like this one then most likely people like yourself wouldn't feel the way you do now. But posts like this inform people and people like Jace find out and do something about it. Everyone plays a part in this, even the people who are characterized as " Whiners" .

Zero Tolerance with the exception when the CP is submitted by t he user instead of posted by the owner of the site. LOL whatever. It's not funny one bit, but damn comical to see these people try to make sense of their bullshit.

All you have to do is take a look at their press releases over the last couple years to see what the motivations are for taking money from companies like Guba and AFF.

http://www.asacp.org/page.php?content=press

Press releases used to be about sites they took down and reports that were succesful. Now they are about how much money they raised, what companies sponsor them, and what shows they'll be attending.

PEDOS know what to look for, they know the terms, they know the girls names and how to search. The average webmaster could not find true CP if his life depended on it, but it's out there and in HUGE numbers.

Unrelated to the site in question, do some real searching on the torrents, and it's not easy to find the real ones, for "pthc vicky" and post what you find. Or just "pthc" in general on the torrents. If you follow a few things and can string together what they are saying about it, you will find an insane amount of pre-teen hardcore CP.

And have you ever thought about looking for CP in other languages, say some certain Euro languages? Hello!

It's all about knowing where to look.

I've spent a lot of time looking into this, did a LOT of research and have reported a lot of 100% CP to various groups, but it's like playing whack-a-mole when it comes to torrents or other P2P networks, you remove one and 10 more pop up.

Its amazing you just "happen" to know all the tricks to get cp you sick fuck. What did you find jesus? and dont knock beast, beast is awesome to sell.

I'll put money on it that Lars will make a post in the next week or two about AFF making another donation to ASACP, Then all the bros will pat him on the back saying how great AFF is for donating to a great cause and what a stand up guy he is,

That's not going to happen.

Simple reason and it's just gone too far. I want to see what now happens when the media get involved. When people with profiles on AFF find out that they are associated with sites that deal with child porn, rape and incest themed porn, SCAT, and people blowing horses and being fucked by dogs.

Let's see where this ends up the ASACP and AFF when the media takes over where we are.

Fuck both of them, it's documented here that ASACP will accept money if you are not the person uploading the CP, but if you pay someone else to it's ok.

Fuck this I am pissed and so are some others.

Time to take this to the next level and see how they feel.

Great thinking

LOL, kind of funny that they have no made a press release about sites being shut down in a few years.

Isn't that the best press?

Think again

This thread actually kinda made me sick to my stomach. Seriously, this is some pathetic shit.

I really see no room for debate on this issue. Links and screenshots have been posted. The ASACP is actually acting as if there is even room to discuss whether whats going on is right or wrong? I'm speechless.

The supposedly 20 year old Asian in the AFF ad above is a model that I shot named Lili. That photo was taken 3-4 years ago by a friend of mine.

Here is one of my photos of her:



You mean models in the AFF ads aren't really women looking for dates?!?

ADG

Let me clarify one thing also, given the subject this thread deals with - Lili (the Asian model in the AFF ad) was well over 20 when I photographed her in 2003.

ADG

The online adult biz is a friggin joke and an embarassment to the rest of adult industry.

There is a total lack of any business ethics and this is obviously a reflection of the people involved in online activity. There is much talk about CP/bestiality blah, but it means little in reality.

Any alleged organization set up by those involved in online adult for the "protection of children" is obviously suspect from the start. These are self-serving "faces" - nothing more. When these organisations are then funded by those who advertise on bestiality/CP/content theft websites - it shows the real moral fibre, or lack of it, and, at the same time illustrates the total hypocrisy of alleged organisations purportedly offering "child protection".

Only my - Just don't promote any "sponsor" who can't get a grip of their advertising and don't donate a dime to hypocritical organizations advocating child protection who are paid by sponsors advertising on illegal websites. The US has more CP on servers than the rest of the planet combined and this is increasing. The solution to reporting illegal content is very simple and takes one phone call to a respective law agency - there is no need for self-serving blatant hypocrisy funded by illegal websites.

All I can say is that I contacted dateline NBC via e mail last night and have gotten a reply from them with interest on the story. They want some more info and would like to do a phone conversation to gather more details and see what they can do, and if they can make a story out of it.

Jace - check your email

I encourage everyone to send an e mail to
[email protected]

Please make sure it is well written and that you spell check, don't swear, and keep it clean.. Will go a lot further.

good thinking typing a email up after i smoke my after dinner cig.........

Already done

I believe that and take it as truth. I also believe shooters and site owners who use baby faced models, which gives the illusion of being child like, add to the problem. The people doing that, using baby faced models, know EXACTLY what they're doing. It's a pathetic marketing ploy. If the shoe fits, wear it. I take that as truth also.

Totally agree

Bump for the stand up birthday boy

page 3, are you out there?