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  • EdgeXXX
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2005
    • 5816

    #101
    100 crooked bastards killing the industry
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    I have a sig

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    • TheDoc
      Too lazy to set a custom title
      • Jul 2001
      • 13827

      #102
      I have been reading up on a few cases that have happened and a few that are pending outcomes, assuming the MPAA doesn't settle again. They have used pressure to shut down some, through hosts and registrars and we know they can pretty much kill p2p networks. They currently are fighting a few torrent companies and a few usenet companies.

      If they win this, it will open the doors.
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      It's all disambiguation

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      • ServerGenius
        Confirmed User
        • Feb 2002
        • 9377

        #103
        anything I've mentioned and all the options to accomplish them is 100 legal
        in every way. If I would be willing to go the illegal way all his sites would
        be down in less than an hour.....and they'll stay down long enough if not
        till I decide to stop...but those stunts I decided to retire when I was 20 years
        old.......good memories though
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        • chupacabra
          Confirmed User
          • Sep 2002
          • 3626

          #104
          Originally posted by ServerGenius
          anything I've mentioned and all the options to accomplish them is 100 legal
          in every way. If I would be willing to go the illegal way all his sites would
          be down in less than an hour.....and they'll stay down long enough if not
          till I decide to stop...but those stunts I decided to retire when I was 20 years
          old.......good memories though
          heh... in that case maybe we should all be pooling into a donation box to hire "someone" to knock them off the web for a nice long stretch... would be a thing of beauty to see all those links go dead simultaneously and stay down..
          ...promise her a defamation, tell her where the rain will fall..

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          • ServerGenius
            Confirmed User
            • Feb 2002
            • 9377

            #105
            hahaha look I already woke someone...before posting anything did a portscan without trying to hide from where it came......flushed the firewall rules on that servers and watch the logs so see if they'd bite......within minutes I see this:

            genius01:/var/log# traceroute 221.15.37.58
            traceroute to 221.15.37.58 (221.15.37.58), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
            1 HOSTED-BY.VIRTUALXS.COM (62.129.143.190) 0.807 ms 13.705 ms 0.701 ms
            2 62.153.203.117 (62.153.203.117) 1.871 ms 1.736 ms 1.762 ms
            3 217.239.40.22 (217.239.40.22) 155.343 ms 155.359 ms 155.273 ms
            4 212.184.26.234 (212.184.26.234) 318.694 ms 318.593 ms 318.697 ms
            5 219.158.25.13 (219.158.25.13) 316.795 ms 316.597 ms 316.730 ms
            6 219.158.4.158 (219.158.4.158) 348.083 ms 347.503 ms 347.871 ms
            7 219.158.7.21 (219.158.7.21) 363.878 ms 363.444 ms 363.467 ms
            8 219.158.7.22 (219.158.7.22) 375.410 ms 375.328 ms 375.399 ms
            9 hn.kd.smx.adsl (221.13.223.178) 373.084 ms 373.100 ms 373.220 ms
            10 pc66.zz.ha.cn (61.168.254.66) 376.844 ms 376.845 ms 376.782 ms
            11 pc50.zz.ha.cn (61.168.235.50) 383.034 ms 385.398 ms 385.251 ms
            12 pc66.zz.ha.cn (218.29.249.66) 380.940 ms 381.055 ms 381.015 ms
            13 hn.kd.jz.adsl (221.15.37.58) 382.588 ms 382.680 ms 382.942 ms

            which confirms my idea that the people who are behind these sites are either
            Americans or Canadians. The origin of this ip is in the same region from a few
            different hosting companies he's using for some of his sites........

            Could be coincedence in theory...but a lot more likely than what I think it is.
            didn't expect they would let them get tricked this easy and stupid by something as silly as this

            I'll bet you after I've checked some more logs and servers that will reveal
            his intentions by his first but very stupid mistake....god I love it when they
            are that silly to get themselves so easily caught...... :-)
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            • JMM
              Confirmed User
              • Apr 2001
              • 1755

              #106
              Originally posted by ServerGenius
              Mutt I hear what you're saying.....and I respect you for your position and
              opinion about not pretending it's not there.........that and the fact that
              from all people that show off their girls.....you're the undisputed king of
              finding the most amazing, pretty, sexy and imho opinion the natural non
              posed and directed pics from any other talent scout. If I see pic in a
              thread started by you.....I'm inside in less than a split second.
              but that aside from the subject.

              I think that BEFORE exploring any legal options collecting as much info
              as possible is crucial for pursuing any legal steps.....coz without it
              you'll get billed by your lawyer who will do this and most likely we're
              much better at it than him given our experience and our full time
              attention to our business and everything that goes on in it. A super
              lawyer his skills are law....not collecting information from whatever
              he's not full time involved in himself. He could tell us what kind of
              information is useful for this case.

              Doing this job ourselves is a lot cheaper in fact all it takes is a little bit of
              our time. And providing him with that information will increase the change
              of success 100 fold when actually going to trial.

              Apart from that.....I think that's not impossible to even shut them down
              or at least really hurting his "business" by jumping on them and
              tracing everything they do faster and more effectively than defending
              his sites in court.

              Having to move providers a few times in 1 or 2 months is much more
              frustrating and damaging then to show up in court.

              It's very easy and not much work to really drive him nuts with things like
              this and doesn't require a judge or legal valid argument to get providers
              can his ass to even only avoid the hassle it causes them when keeping him.

              Having to move his site will inevitably hurt his traffic volume really bad which
              will also hurt his advertising and revenue they make coz their only source
              of income is generated from nothing else than traffic.

              Seriously consulting a lawyer before collecting data and info imho is a complete waste of your money, time......and good intentions. The only
              reason for inmediately go to a lawyer would be so he can we ourselves
              don't have to bother and do anything for this our selves......and I don't
              mean to imply that's why I think you'll wait and go with having a lawyer
              figure all of it out himself



              P.S. I'm sure with one of your pics this thread will draw a lot more attention
              Keep doing what you are doing, it is valuable and definitely going to be needed.

              The reason to consult with a lawyer was to determine WHAT information and data should be collected. Interestingly, the lawyers I spoke with maintain very strongly that contrary to what the sites themselves might think, they are not subject to DMCA protection. Based on that legal argument, there are several provisions of the DMCA that ALL must be met for protection and most of these sites miss on many of them. So, it is important to know what aspects of the DMCA must be met to be afforded protection and to collect the data to prove that they are not compliant, and therefore not protected.

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              • ServerGenius
                Confirmed User
                • Feb 2002
                • 9377

                #107
                Originally posted by chupacabra
                heh... in that case maybe we should all be pooling into a donation box to hire "someone" to knock them off the web for a nice long stretch... would be a thing of beauty to see all those links go dead simultaneously and stay down..
                As much fun as doing that is.....it isn't a solution.....coz as soon as you stop
                they can continue business as usual.....apart from the risk of everything
                involved when getting caught for doing it. To stay ahead of getting caught
                you can't run such attack longer than a few seconds from the same box.
                To do this effectively requires as many boxes you can get access to and
                hook em up in a botnet to distribute the attack...that's also what really
                makes it tricky to block the attack because it comes from a big number
                of different origin. using 1 or a few boxes blocking the ip of them solves
                the whole problem in less than 2 seconds ;-)

                When it's distributed the only other important thing is to cause sling more
                data/traffic their way then they can handle......which is quite easy with
                a decent number of drones in your botnet.

                Most boxes that get hacked are being hacked to used for stuff like this.
                Usually they make a script that just scans whole networks for live servers
                and vulnerabilities they are able to exploit....so each one the script finds
                gets compromised automagically by the script and installed with some
                stuff to be used by the person without even having to touch or access
                the server himself.......

                There's tons and tons of hacked servers who run outdated os and software
                most of them their owners never even know or notice that it's been hacked.
                coz they don't touch or break anything which could make someone wonder
                if perhaps something is wrong.......it's so easy and there's so many servers
                that are vulnerable to being exploited you simply cannot believe it. I still
                can't believe it though I'm seeing it almost every day first hand......if the
                frequency I encounter is is even half of it on a big scale it's something
                like 8 out of every 100 servers that are online.......don't pin me on the
                numbers I don't have solid data to back them up
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                • ServerGenius
                  Confirmed User
                  • Feb 2002
                  • 9377

                  #108
                  Originally posted by JMM
                  Keep doing what you are doing, it is valuable and definitely going to be needed.

                  The reason to consult with a lawyer was to determine WHAT information and data should be collected. Interestingly, the lawyers I spoke with maintain very strongly that contrary to what the sites themselves might think, they are not subject to DMCA protection. Based on that legal argument, there are several provisions of the DMCA that ALL must be met for protection and most of these sites miss on many of them. So, it is important to know what aspects of the DMCA must be met to be afforded protection and to collect the data to prove that they are not compliant, and therefore not protected.
                  Awesome and of course their not really protected unlike what they claim.
                  They just put up that bullshit coz it works perfectly because that's the
                  main reason why people don't even consider to attempt to go after them
                  coz it appears they can't be charged......it works even better than all the
                  tricks we came up with combined to trick the surfer to join our sites

                  If they're really hong kong based none of the US laws they use won't even
                  apply to them at all........unless their US residents.....which I'm willing to bet
                  they are....US or Canada....who wants a bet
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                  • ServerGenius
                    Confirmed User
                    • Feb 2002
                    • 9377

                    #109
                    Originally posted by JMM
                    Keep doing what you are doing, it is valuable and definitely going to be needed.

                    The reason to consult with a lawyer was to determine WHAT information and data should be collected. Interestingly, the lawyers I spoke with maintain very strongly that contrary to what the sites themselves might think, they are not subject to DMCA protection. Based on that legal argument, there are several provisions of the DMCA that ALL must be met for protection and most of these sites miss on many of them. So, it is important to know what aspects of the DMCA must be met to be afforded protection and to collect the data to prove that they are not compliant, and therefore not protected.
                    Oh and just so you know I'll be more than happy to hand over any info you
                    or your lawyer can use.......so be sure to let me know what the man needs
                    and I'll see what I can come up with.
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                    • ServerGenius
                      Confirmed User
                      • Feb 2002
                      • 9377

                      #110
                      ok I'm gonna try to get 3 or 4 hours sleep.......I'll be back
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                      • Sen
                        Confirmed User
                        • May 2004
                        • 347

                        #111
                        hmmm where are the big people in adult now ?
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                        • [ScreaM]
                          Confirmed User
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 1664

                          #112
                          Originally posted by Sen
                          hmmm where are the big people in adult now ?
                          Sleeping probably.

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                          • Sen
                            Confirmed User
                            • May 2004
                            • 347

                            #113
                            let them wake up then :P
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                            • Sen
                              Confirmed User
                              • May 2004
                              • 347

                              #114
                              Kick for a good thing
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                              • paymeback
                                Confirmed User
                                • May 2005
                                • 1478

                                #115
                                heres a bump
                                ICQ:36-43-49-11

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                                • ServerGenius
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Feb 2002
                                  • 9377

                                  #116
                                  hello again.....I'm blown away by the interest in this subject
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                                  • ServerGenius
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Feb 2002
                                    • 9377

                                    #117
                                    Burp
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                                    • marcjacob
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Jun 2003
                                      • 1063

                                      #118
                                      Have a donation thing for us none usa webmasters, i personally would donate to this cause. Oh also bump (although your only half way down the page lol)
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                                      • tony299
                                        lurker
                                        • Aug 2002
                                        • 57021

                                        #119
                                        JMM is ok if I icq you?

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                                        • Matt 26z
                                          So Fucking Banned
                                          • Apr 2002
                                          • 18481

                                          #120
                                          Originally posted by JMM
                                          Let's go after their advertisers.
                                          Going after the advertisers on torrent sites?

                                          It's like falling at a sports stadium in disrepair and then suing Budweiser because they have a banner in the rafters. As if they were responsable for the place still being open.

                                          Not gonna happen.

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                                          • VicD
                                            ICQ: 304-611-162
                                            • Feb 2005
                                            • 13245

                                            #121
                                            a bumpity bump

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                                            • JMM
                                              Confirmed User
                                              • Apr 2001
                                              • 1755

                                              #122
                                              Originally posted by Matt 26z
                                              Going after the advertisers on torrent sites?

                                              It's like falling at a sports stadium in disrepair and then suing Budweiser because they have a banner in the rafters. As if they were responsable for the place still being open.

                                              Not gonna happen.
                                              Wrong. Copyright law addresses this. It is VERY doable.

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                                              • JMM
                                                Confirmed User
                                                • Apr 2001
                                                • 1755

                                                #123
                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                JMM is ok if I icq you?
                                                Of course.

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                                                • Mutt
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                  • 34431

                                                  #124
                                                  oh there are people who know exactly who owns Megarotic and where they live. That would be Legendary Lars and Andrew Cornhole from Adult Friend Finder, the single biggest beneficiary of the enormous amount of traffic Megarotic is pulling. AFF makes these sites profitable.

                                                  Of course Legendary Lars will tell you that AFF is in a most horrible position - if AFF doesn't make hundreds of thousands of dollars off Megarotic one of AFF's evil competitors will and nobody would want that now would we!!!
                                                  I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                  • ServerGenius
                                                    Confirmed User
                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                    • 9377

                                                    #125
                                                    Originally posted by Mutt
                                                    oh there are people who know exactly who owns Megarotic and where they live. That would be Legendary Lars and Andrew Cornhole from Adult Friend Finder, the single biggest beneficiary of the enormous amount of traffic Megarotic is pulling. AFF makes these sites profitable.

                                                    Of course Legendary Lars will tell you that AFF is in a most horrible position - if AFF doesn't make hundreds of thousands of dollars off Megarotic one of AFF's evil competitors will and nobody would want that now would we!!!
                                                    of course also the hosting companies they use.
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                                                    • hubris
                                                      Registered User
                                                      • May 2007
                                                      • 7

                                                      #126
                                                      Our copyright/DMCA guys just notified us of skinvideo.com .

                                                      He is getting lawsuit threats from them about sending DMCA takedown requests. I am not too up on this subject but tried to spread the word about it on nnmasters.com. Thanks mutt for the link to this thread.

                                                      I will forward the contact info to our copyright/DMCA guy and see if he can help with the information he has gathered.
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                                                      • notoldschool
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2007
                                                        • 5687

                                                        #127
                                                        Im sure more serious biz people would get involved if a trust worthy group effort was formed. I hope this comes together.
                                                        No doubt one may quote history to support any cause, as the devil quotes scripture.
                                                        -- Learned Hand

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                                                        • cashbot
                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                          • Apr 2007
                                                          • 325

                                                          #128
                                                          Airek and Libertine - rimming again!

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                                                          • EdgeXXX
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Oct 2005
                                                            • 5816

                                                            #129
                                                            Seems like a pretty appropriate time to give this thread a little bump...
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                                                            • Mutt
                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                              • 34431

                                                              #130
                                                              *bump* *bump*
                                                              I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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                                                              • NyLoS
                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                • 724

                                                                #131
                                                                Originally posted by High Plains Drifter
                                                                AFF and Fling? You might want to pick up more than one lawyer.
                                                                these are revshare based accounts, aff and fling can't be held responsible, alnog with other advertisers, thats hard to do..... but hosting companies are partly responsible for what they alow on their servers, but also hard to point at.

                                                                But the owner of the site, lets fucking hang his head !

                                                                I am with you guys

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                                                                • NyLoS
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                  • 724

                                                                  #132
                                                                  We could wake up the advertisers, like they don't allow their affiliates to use email spam to promote their sites they might not want their product being advertised on sites like this if its in a bad spotlight like email spam

                                                                  (ofcourse they want their affiliates to email spam, and ofcourse they want assholes like thios advertise their sites, its all about money, but if they get bad publicity because of it they might change their minds ;-))

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                                                                  • ServerGenius
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Feb 2002
                                                                    • 9377

                                                                    #133
                                                                    how about we first go after the billing company that allows megarotic to bill
                                                                    for their memberships? I'm sure that's not VISA compliant what they do.

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                                                                    • JMM
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                      • 1755

                                                                      #134
                                                                      Originally posted by ServerGenius
                                                                      how about we first go after the billing company that allows megarotic to bill
                                                                      for their memberships? I'm sure that's not VISA compliant what they do.

                                                                      The way to go after the billing company is for everyone who has content on megarotic to send DMCA notices to the biller. One of the main components of DMCA protection is how repeat infringements are handled. For a company to even have DMCA protection, they MUST have a policy dealing with repeat infringement. This would be the easiest way to shut these sites down, the ones who have a pay component.

                                                                      Sadly, most people don't send DMCA notices because they don't know how.

                                                                      One of the things that the lawyer is working on is an automated DMCA system for people to use. The "sticky" part that they are investigating is how an automated DMCA system would be viewed as "practicing law".

                                                                      If it is run by an individual or company then it could be viewed as practicing law without a license. The simple solution is to get a law firm to run it. However, that would take out the most convenient aspect, automated. If a law firm is going to offer it, then there has to be some system of manual review, which of course increases costs.

                                                                      I'll update you once we have this part figured out.

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                                                                      • ServerGenius
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Feb 2002
                                                                        • 9377

                                                                        #135
                                                                        Commercegate and Segpay are processing for megarotic.com I'll file a complaint
                                                                        to VISA directly regarding this. I'll buy a membership and add proof to the
                                                                        complaint. Complaint will get forwarded to segpay and commercegate as well.

                                                                        Let's see what that does
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                                                                        • ServerGenius
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                                          • 9377

                                                                          #136
                                                                          Originally posted by JMM
                                                                          The way to go after the billing company is for everyone who has content on megarotic to send DMCA notices to the biller. One of the main components of DMCA protection is how repeat infringements are handled. For a company to even have DMCA protection, they MUST have a policy dealing with repeat infringement. This would be the easiest way to shut these sites down, the ones who have a pay component.

                                                                          Sadly, most people don't send DMCA notices because they don't know how.

                                                                          One of the things that the lawyer is working on is an automated DMCA system for people to use. The "sticky" part that they are investigating is how an automated DMCA system would be viewed as "practicing law".

                                                                          If it is run by an individual or company then it could be viewed as practicing law without a license. The simple solution is to get a law firm to run it. However, that would take out the most convenient aspect, automated. If a law firm is going to offer it, then there has to be some system of manual review, which of course increases costs.

                                                                          I'll update you once we have this part figured out.
                                                                          Cool I'll wait for this to be ready and get the companies mobilized who should
                                                                          send out DMCA notices. Should be easy to at least get a few to do that
                                                                          which might be enough to fuck them out of billing options
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                                                                          • ServerGenius
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                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                            • 9377

                                                                            #137
                                                                            if not I'll upload some of my stuff so I can join in with the DMCA party
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                                                                            • EdgeXXX
                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                              • Oct 2005
                                                                              • 5816

                                                                              #138
                                                                              Originally posted by ServerGenius
                                                                              if not I'll upload some of my stuff so I can join in with the DMCA party





                                                                              In all seriousness though, given their site's business model, that is 100% fair game. If they want to fuck us by playing dirty, we can fuck them right back by doing the same.
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                                                                              • ServerGenius
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                                                                                • Feb 2002
                                                                                • 9377

                                                                                #139
                                                                                Originally posted by EdgeXXX





                                                                                In all seriousness though, given their site's business model, that is 100% fair game. If they want to fuck us by playing dirty, we can fuck them right back by doing the same.
                                                                                Yup exactly how I see it myself
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                                                                                • Mutt
                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                  • 34431

                                                                                  #140
                                                                                  *bump*

                                                                                  automated DMCA notices is a good idea - suing somebody's ass is a better one. most of these sites, the big ones, are smart enough to have their DMCA policy in order. they don't mind taking shit down, it's already made them some money and by the next day a minion/user will have uploaded it again.
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                                                                                  • Mutt
                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                    • Sep 2002
                                                                                    • 34431

                                                                                    #141
                                                                                    any update on this?
                                                                                    I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

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