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  • Snake Doctor
    I'm Lenny2 Bitch
    • Mar 2001
    • 13449
    #1

    You're a cheap bastard if you don't add 20% to any service provided by a human

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    According to this article, 20% is the new 15%.

    I think the whole tipping culture has gotten way out of hand.

    The fucking kids at Wendy's have a tip jar at the drive thru window now. People expect me to tip for a cup of coffee and every other damn thing I buy.

    Wait staff, bartenders, and skycaps, sure they deserve tips, they live on them, but most of these other people can kiss my ass.
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    • uno
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      • Dec 2002
      • 18450
      #2
      People at the drive thru can kiss my ass. They ain't gettin a tip.
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        • Porn Farmer
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          • Feb 2007
          • 928
          #3

          I don't believe in it.

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            • GreyWolf
              So Fucking Banned
              • Jun 2007
              • 2036
              #4
              Contact Wendy's, McDonalds, TGF and all the other restaurants who skimp on paying their staff and tell em there is a thing called a wage bill and it starts at $7 something. Alternatively, don't eat in these places.

              Always thought it is absurb to load an elephant on to a plate and give customers and intro to obesity and then have the balls to expect customers to tip staff because they don't pay them a living wage.

              Can't say for all countries, but most have an option of tipping and sometimes added to the bill - but it's not an automatic 20-30%, more like 10%. But... the difference is they pay their staff and the tip is optional for decent service - and got no problems with a tip - but is not a replacement for the friggin wage bill and letting cheapo restaurant chains off the hook.

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                • Snake Doctor
                  I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                  • Mar 2001
                  • 13449
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Porn Farmer

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                    • Snake Doctor
                      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                      • Mar 2001
                      • 13449
                      #6
                      Originally posted by GreyWolf

                      Can't say for all countries, but most have an option of tipping and sometimes added to the bill - but it's not an automatic 20-30%, more like 10%.
                      I was in an Applebee's with some friends recently, it was me, my wife and my son, and another couple and their two kids. We took up two tables and each family got a separate check.

                      The waitress (or manager) decided we were a "large party" despite the fact that we were getting separate bills, and they added a 20% gratuity to both of our checks.
                      The worst part was the service absolutely sucked. Our waitress was MIA 90% of the time we were there.

                      My mother was a waitress, and I understand that large parties are the worst because everyone thinks that everyone else is going to get the tip and alot of times the waitress gets crap, so they add the tip automatically.
                      But if they're going to do that, make it the standard 15%....don't force me to overtip just because a bunch of us decided to eat in your establishment.

                      Also, I think that when you're in a big party the wait staff don't give a fuck about you because you're forced to tip them so you get really shitty service.
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                        • GreyWolf
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                          • Jun 2007
                          • 2036
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Lenny2
                          I was in an Applebee's with some friends recently, it was me, my wife and my son, and another couple and their two kids. We took up two tables and each family got a separate check.

                          The waitress (or manager) decided we were a "large party" despite the fact that we were getting separate bills, and they added a 20% gratuity to both of our checks.
                          The worst part was the service absolutely sucked. Our waitress was MIA 90% of the time we were there.

                          My mother was a waitress, and I understand that large parties are the worst because everyone thinks that everyone else is going to get the tip and alot of times the waitress gets crap, so they add the tip automatically.
                          But if they're going to do that, make it the standard 15%....don't force me to overtip just because a bunch of us decided to eat in your establishment.

                          Also, I think that when you're in a big party the wait staff don't give a fuck about you because you're forced to tip them so you get really shitty service.
                          Funny So a "large party" now qualifies for an extra fee??? Damn.. they should be giving a discount for a large party!

                          Applebees is classic - they pay their staff peanuts and the true cost of food, servers et al is not that published on menu. The sales pitch is load the plates with excessive food to show "value" - then skip paying the staff and letting customers pay their wage bill.

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                            • TommyM
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                              • May 2001
                              • 1147
                              #8
                              where I live (Denmark) I never tip, only if the service is REAL good, or the girl that served me is HOT and thats just the way it is over all of Denmark

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                                • GreyWolf
                                  So Fucking Banned
                                  • Jun 2007
                                  • 2036
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by TommyM
                                  where I live (Denmark) I never tip, only if the service is REAL good, or the girl that served me is HOT and thats just the way it is over all of Denmark
                                  Applebees (US) is pretty good despite they never heard of a wage bill and the volume of food is more than in the EU (tho really an overkill) and even if you do tip higher, it's still less than EU restaurant prices. Kinda like em cos they get a stock of my fav booze and keep it aside - unusual for a "chain restaurant".

                                  You have some really shit hot fish restaurants in Denmark - love em!! *lol*

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                                    • riddler
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Oct 2004
                                      • 3726
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Lenny2
                                      I was in an Applebee's with some friends recently, it was me, my wife and my son, and another couple and their two kids. We took up two tables and each family got a separate check.

                                      The waitress (or manager) decided we were a "large party" despite the fact that we were getting separate bills, and they added a 20% gratuity to both of our checks.
                                      The worst part was the service absolutely sucked. Our waitress was MIA 90% of the time we were there.

                                      My mother was a waitress, and I understand that large parties are the worst because everyone thinks that everyone else is going to get the tip and alot of times the waitress gets crap, so they add the tip automatically.
                                      But if they're going to do that, make it the standard 15%....don't force me to overtip just because a bunch of us decided to eat in your establishment.

                                      Also, I think that when you're in a big party the wait staff don't give a fuck about you because you're forced to tip them so you get really shitty service.

                                      20% added to the bill without your consent? is that even fuckin' legal?

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                                        • who
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                                          • Aug 2003
                                          • 19593
                                          #11
                                          I tip waitresses and waiters. 'Drive thru' wankers are NOT that.

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                                            • shimmy
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                                              • Mar 2002
                                              • 198
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by riddler
                                              20% added to the bill without your consent? is that even fuckin' legal?

                                              Nope, there was a case on the news when a restaurant owner called the cops on a family who refused to pay that tip, the restaurant lost because it's the customers decision.
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                                                • Madame0120
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                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                  • 1227
                                                  #13
                                                  Tipped employee" means an employee who customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips.

                                                  Tip offset.

                                                  Tip offset is the amount of money by which an employer, in meeting the legal minimum wage standard, may reduce a tipped employee's wage in consideration of the receipt of tips. The Small Business Job Protection Act of 1996 requires a fixed dollar tip offset. A minimum cash amount of $2.13 per hour should be paid to tipped employees. If tips actually received are not sufficient, when added to $2.13, to total the minimum wage of $4.75 (as of October 1, 1996) or $5.15 (as of September 1, 1997), the employer must also pay the additional difference to the tipped employee.

                                                  Starbucks, Wendy's and the other tip jars that pop up all over the place can bite me. Their base wage is triple that of any US server.
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                                                    • Paul Markham
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                                                      • Jun 2001
                                                      • 52942
                                                      #14
                                                      I tip well, if the service is worth it. Most of the time, in places we eat and drink regular, it's good because they know we tip well. When it's not I tip accordingly. Places that add it as part of the bill can.

                                                      Add it as part of the price and pay the staff a decent wage.

                                                      What does piss me off is the training most staff get. My first job was trainee chef in a London hotel, the waiters and waitresses were always looking around the room to see if anyone needed them. Today you have to send up a distress flare to get service. In these cases they can get an earful if the % is added.



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                                                        • Boxer3
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                                                          • Jun 2004
                                                          • 350
                                                          #15
                                                          If there is table service, I tip well, because they aren't guaranteed shit. There's a small Mexican restaurant within walking distance of my house, I went there last week with a friend, my bill was $11.00 and change, I leave him $15.00. Service was good. Since I do that somewhat regularly, they take good care of me and remember me. As far as fast food workers, I have never seen that. At a local bagel shop, there is one on the counter........if I ask them to slice them for me I'll throw at least a dollar in there. Other than that I couldn't understand doing it.

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                                                              #16
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                                                                • Vitasoy
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                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                  • 58202
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Tipping at the drive through? That has never crossed my mind.


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                                                                    • fuzebox
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                                                                      • Oct 2003
                                                                      • 22367
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Porn Farmer

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                                                                        • fuzebox
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                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                          • 22367
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by riddler
                                                                          20% added to the bill without your consent? is that even fuckin' legal?
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                                                                            • allofzen
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                                                                              • Jul 2007
                                                                              • 182
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by riddler
                                                                              20% added to the bill without your consent? is that even fuckin' legal?
                                                                              I'm quite sure that it is CLEARLY stated on the menu at the very bottom.

                                                                              The problem is that most people are illiterate

                                                                              If it is NOT clearly stated on the menu or on the door, then you obviously do NOT have to pay
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                                                                                • Pleasurepays
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                                                                                  • Aug 2002
                                                                                  • 11913
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  loving great food and nice hotels, tipping isn't something that i take lightly. its awkward and uncomfortable and you almost always feel that you're not sure whats appropriate and always reluctant and uncertain when you know they barely made an effort.

                                                                                  i tip for service. period. end of story. great service.... great tip. poor service... no tip. i don't feel i owe someone money just because they managed to simply show up to work. i'm not their employer. my contract with the restaurant, hotel etc is that i come in, sit down, choose from the menu and pay for it. anything beyond that was not part of the deal and is something done out of kindness and appreciation for someone who made the experience better.

                                                                                  i definately don't appreciate someone who feels that i owe them money by default, regardless of whether or not they provided great service or not.

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                                                                                    • PurrrsianPussyKat
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                                                                                      • Jan 2004
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                                                                                      #22
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                                                                                        • EdgeXXX
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                                                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                                                          • 5816
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          So next time I pay a contract hitter $15k to do a job I have to throw in an extra $3k as a tip?
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                                                                                            • Snake Doctor
                                                                                              I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                              • Mar 2001
                                                                                              • 13449
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by EdgeXXX
                                                                                              So next time I pay a contract hitter $15k to do a job I have to throw in an extra $3k as a tip?
                                                                                              Well only if he's good enough to receive the fatality bonus
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                                                                                                • MaDalton
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                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by fuzebox


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                                                                                                    • tiger
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                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                                      • 6986
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Mandatory tipping is utter bullshit. Tipping is for service that is beyond what is expected. You don't get a tip for doing your fucking job.

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                                                                                                        • Clark Miller
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                                                                                                          • Jun 2007
                                                                                                          • 365
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by tiger
                                                                                                          Mandatory tipping is utter bullshit. Tipping is for service that is beyond what is expected. You don't get a tip for doing your fucking job.
                                                                                                          Agreed. Tips shouldn't be mandatory or included in a wage/price. That's fucking things up, for all the reasons posted in this thread.

                                                                                                          I do tip well for good service and a good attitude.
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                                                                                                            • IllTestYourGirls
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                                                                                                              • Feb 2007
                                                                                                              • 14311
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Lenny2
                                                                                                              I was in an Applebee's with some friends recently, it was me, my wife and my son, and another couple and their two kids. We took up two tables and each family got a separate check.

                                                                                                              The waitress (or manager) decided we were a "large party" despite the fact that we were getting separate bills, and they added a 20% gratuity to both of our checks.
                                                                                                              The worst part was the service absolutely sucked. Our waitress was MIA 90% of the time we were there.

                                                                                                              My mother was a waitress, and I understand that large parties are the worst because everyone thinks that everyone else is going to get the tip and alot of times the waitress gets crap, so they add the tip automatically.
                                                                                                              But if they're going to do that, make it the standard 15%....don't force me to overtip just because a bunch of us decided to eat in your establishment.

                                                                                                              Also, I think that when you're in a big party the wait staff don't give a fuck about you because you're forced to tip them so you get really shitty service.
                                                                                                              A lot of the places I go to add the tip if you get more than one check.

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                                                                                                                • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                  Ah My Balls
                                                                                                                  • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                  • 14311
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by tiger
                                                                                                                  Mandatory tipping is utter bullshit. Tipping is for service that is beyond what is expected. You don't get a tip for doing your fucking job.
                                                                                                                  What do you expect from someone making $3 an hour? Lets hope you dont dine at the same place more than once

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                                                                                                                    • Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                      I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                                                      • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                      • 13449
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                      A lot of the places I go to add the tip if you get more than one check.
                                                                                                                      That's fine, like I said I understand the wait staff does get stiffed alot with big parties.

                                                                                                                      HOWEVER that doesn't mean we should be forced to OVERTIP at 20%. That's the part that pissed me off.
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                                                                                                                        • Chris
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                                                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                                                          • 27880
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          i wonder if any waiters really report the tips they get yearly lol
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                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                              What do you expect from someone making $3 an hour? Lets hope you dont dine at the same place more than once
                                                                                                                              a waiter can probably do 10 tables an hour, even if everyone leaves only a buck, that's $13/hr, which isn't that bad for a job requiring basically no skill...
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                                                                                                                                • Snake Doctor
                                                                                                                                  I'm Lenny2 Bitch
                                                                                                                                  • Mar 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 13449
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Chris
                                                                                                                                  i wonder if any waiters really report the tips they get yearly lol
                                                                                                                                  They're required to report 8% of their sales as tip income.

                                                                                                                                  As for skycaps and bellhops and taxi drivers etc, I have no idea, but I would say 99% of them grossly underreport their tips.
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                                                                                                                                    • StuartD
                                                                                                                                      Sofa King Band
                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 29903
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      I hate the suggestions on tips, but I really hate the places that just TAKE the tip by including it into the price.

                                                                                                                                      If I get a really bad waiter / bad service, I am NOT tipping as much as I would with someone who had my next drink ready as I finished the current one.
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                                                                                                                                        • thumbsdepot
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                                                                                                                                          • Dec 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 778
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          another article on tipping
                                                                                                                                          http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...seTipJars.aspx

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                                                                                                                                            • u-Bob
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                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                              • 33063
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by TommyM
                                                                                                                                              where I live (Denmark) I never tip, only if the service is REAL good, or the girl that served me is HOT and thats just the way it is over all of Denmark
                                                                                                                                              same here.

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                                                                                                                                                • Red Ezra
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                                                                                                                                                  • May 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 4678
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Porn Farmer

                                                                                                                                                  I don't believe in it.
                                                                                                                                                  nice reference - 20% is a lot - if you can afford to give it away like this go ahead - you're a nice guy

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