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The Execution of Troy Davis last night in Georgia, thoughts?

09-22-2011, 10:48 AM

Troy Davis was convicted in 1991 of the shooting of an off duty police officer and put to death last night.

In a nutshell for those not familiar- Mark MacPhail was a cop supplementing his income working nights providing security to a Georgia Burger King. In 1989 a fight broke out in a nearby parking lot where a homeless man was being pistol whipped. MacPhail attempted to break up the fight and was shot twice and killed.

At the time, witnesses identified the assailent as Troy Anthony Davis. Davis also was identified as the shooter in an altercation earlier that evening where someone had been shot in the face.

Since the trial 7 of the original witnesses who IDed Davis have recanted citing police misconduct. Some police misconduct was present as there were items of evidence against Davis that were withheld from his original trial due to illegal search and seizure.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Davis_case

Just wanted to throw this out to the GFY community and collect thoughts. It's not a case I followed closely and it's something I've found difficulty getting straight facts on. It seems most information out there on the subject is written with a heavy slant, bending and twisting facts either for or against.

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09-22-2011, 10:52 AM

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09-22-2011, 10:55 AM

I think it was a bad choice for the death penalty and the 7 that changed their testimony should be charged with perjury.

Unlike the guy in Texas that was also executed last night and should have been for dragging a random black man to death solely to attempt to start a race war and clearly admitted it and says he would to kill more.

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09-22-2011, 11:00 AM

First off, I don't believe in the death penalty. Killing someone is letting them off easy. I want them to live in fear of being ass raped in prison every moment for the rest of the life.

Second.... I think this guy was rail roaded. Too many people have come forwarded and claimed they were intimated by the police. This guy was at the wrong place at the wrong time, that's all.

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09-22-2011, 11:00 AM

After 7 people recanting their story.

You'd think our justice system would make this right.

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09-22-2011, 11:05 AM

once again the media and al sharpton have their way with the sheep...

troy davis admitted to the shooting earlier in the night and recd 20 years for that crime..

the same gun was used to kill the cop..

their were 34 witnesses..

7 recanted 20 years later after some say were threatened or coaxed by davis supporters..

troy had a long history of crime included being arrested for a concealed weapon with altered seriel number..

troy was nothing more that a thug and he got what he deserved..

fuck that talking monkey al sharpton and the racial divides he tries to create..

i am still waiting for him to apologize to the duke lacrosse students he tried to lynch..

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09-22-2011, 11:13 AM

Originally posted by Wizzo

I think it was a bad choice for the death penalty and the 7 that changed their testimony should be charged with perjury.

Unlike the guy in Texas that was also executed last night and should have been for dragging a random black man to death solely to attempt to start a race war and clearly admitted it and says he would to kill more.

It seems like there is enough evidence of police misconduct to have supported a reprieve of the death penalty, but maybe not such a lack of evidence of his involvement to allow him to walk free. I don't understand why no one was willing to take the death penalty off the table.

I did some digging and it appears some are saying the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 might have tied some hands. I don't think that really aplies here though, because witnesses changing their story I would assume is new evidence. These are new statements that were not available at the time of trial. Looking over that legislation I really don't see a reason for it though. Seems like another knee-jerk reaction by the government to appease the public after a bloody national disaster that hurts our liberties more than preserves them.

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First off, I don't believe in the death penalty. Killing someone is letting them off easy. I want them to live in fear of being ass raped in prison every moment for the rest of the life.

That is true for people like you and me, but there are cold blooded mother fuckers out there that for whatever reason (maybe a life already spent in and out of the system or maybe have been living a worse life on the streets) don't seem to fear or mind life in prison.

Personally I feel that it's better to let 100 killers live out their lives behind bars than let 1 innocent man die, on the whole I would repeal it, but as long as our system allows for the death penalty in some clear cut cases like the one Wizzo mentions above I do support it.

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09-22-2011, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by marketsmart

once again the media and al sharpton have their way with the sheep...

troy davis admitted to the shooting earlier in the night and recd 20 years for that crime..

the same gun was used to kill the cop..

their were 34 witnesses..

7 recanted 20 years later after some say were threatened or coaxed by davis supporters..

troy had a long history of crime included being arrested for a concealed weapon with altered seriel number..

troy was nothing more that a thug and he got what he deserved..

fuck that talking monkey al sharpton and the racial divides he tries to create..

i am still waiting for him to apologize to the duke lacrosse students he tried to lynch..

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09-22-2011, 11:29 AM

Originally posted by marketsmart

fuck that talking monkey al sharpton and the racial divides he tries to create..

the contradiction in this line alone....

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09-22-2011, 11:32 AM

Troy Davis had received stays of execution on 4 separate occasions... and many appeals. In the end they couldn't overcome the evidence against him. End of story.

That said... I don't support the death penalty.
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09-22-2011, 11:36 AM

Deserved to die IMO. Prosecution won the battle many times over and over with each appeal in the eyes of the law, just lost the battle nonstop in the eyes of the media.

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09-22-2011, 11:37 AM

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how is what he did to the duke students anything to do with race on marketsmarts behalf?

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09-22-2011, 11:41 AM

i think the family should have the choice to beat his ass like a Piñata till hes dead if he was really guilty

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09-22-2011, 11:41 AM

Well thoughts??

I think that the death penalty or capital punishment is only possible in a retarded ARCAIC country... Usually dictatorships or 3rd world regimes have the death penalty.. and anyone supporting it is a fucking NAZI or lover of MMA GAY FIGHTING...

No decent 1st world country in this world has the death penalty...

Just sayin...

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09-22-2011, 11:48 AM

Originally posted by brassmonkey

i think the family should have the choice to beat his ass like a Piñata till hes dead if he was really guilty

So you like the idea of a barbaric society. Maybe you should go live with the Iranians since you think just like them.
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09-22-2011, 11:49 AM

Originally posted by Argos88

Well thoughts??

I think that the death penalty or capital punishment is only possible in a retarded ARCAIC country... Usually dictatorships or 3rd world regimes have the death penalty.. and anyone supporting it is a fucking NAZI or lover of MMA GAY FIGHTING...

No decent 1st world country in this world has the death penalty...

Just sayin...

you have a family member murdered and see what u think then.

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09-22-2011, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by FlexxAeon

the contradiction in this line alone....

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not at all...

do you know that the angels considered humans as talking monkeys?

did you not ever see that movie prophecy?

the term applies to whites or blacks..

if i wanted to get all racist and troll i would have said "that dirty black HAHA al sharpton"

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09-22-2011, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

how is what he did to the duke students anything to do with race on marketsmarts behalf?

exactly...

no one ever scolded sharpton for not apologizing to the students after the students were found innocent..

yet he got everyone up in racial arms about how a bunch of rich white kids raped a poor innocent black stripper...

he's a scumbag and i will donate $1000 to the NAACP if someone assassinates him....

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09-22-2011, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by brassmonkey

you have a family member murdered and see what u think then.

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09-22-2011, 12:04 PM

I am not for the death penalty, so I am against this all the way around

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09-22-2011, 12:08 PM

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I am not for the death penalty, so I am against this all the way around

i am for abolishing the dealth penalty or giving people a choice of overturning a death sentence provided they serve a life sentence in 24 hour solitary confinement with the only extras being books..

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09-22-2011, 12:09 PM

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09-22-2011, 12:19 PM

If they repealed the death penalty it would be a good thing. Our system IS flawed and the death of one innocent isn't worth all the lives of the guilty.

But as long as there is a death penalty, speaking as a family member of someone who was murdered, if they would let me flip the switch myself I would do it, and if I was allowed to "beat them with a stick like a pinata", while I know that's wrong, I would do that too. I know that's a contradiction, and I know those are my emotions talking, but there are few things stronger than that those emotions. They blind me. If they took the death penalty away tomorrow I would deal with it, but as long as they give me that option I'm going to push for it.

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09-22-2011, 12:20 PM

Originally posted by brassmonkey

you have a family member murdered and see what u think then.

James Byrds family did have a family member murdered. Dragged behind a truck even. Guess what. They didn't want the dude put to death.

"You can't fight murder with murder," Ross Byrd, 32, told Reuters late Tuesday, the night before Wednesday's scheduled execution of Lawrence Russell Brewer for one of the most notorious hate crimes in modern times.

"Life in prison would have been fine. I know he can't hurt my daddy anymore. I wish the state would take in mind that this isn't what we want."

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09-22-2011, 12:26 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

once again the media and al sharpton have their way with the sheep...

troy davis admitted to the shooting earlier in the night and recd 20 years for that crime..

the same gun was used to kill the cop..

their were 34 witnesses..

7 recanted 20 years later after some say were threatened or coaxed by davis supporters..

troy had a long history of crime included being arrested for a concealed weapon with altered seriel number..

troy was nothing more that a thug and he got what he deserved..

fuck that talking monkey al sharpton and the racial divides he tries to create..

i am still waiting for him to apologize to the duke lacrosse students he tried to lynch..

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I wish there was a place that did not put a spin on things.
I had CNN on just now, and there is a case of a millionaire guy who shot his wife in the face.
They kept saying he told the 911 call that he had shot her, and said it 5 times. What they left out, is the 911 operator asked did you do it on purpose, he said NO.
The lady I guess gets drunk all the time, was drunk that night and full of anti depressant meds.
As you can see what are ALL the facts, who knows.
What spin do they want you to hear, but leaving out others.

I have no idea on the other facts, so don't feel I am saying he did or did not do it... Just showing how the news put the spin on the Phone call alone.

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09-22-2011, 12:28 PM

Marketsmart brings up the # of witnesses and that is something I saw alot of discrepancy with. The number of witnesses changed based on which site the reporter was taking.

Does anyone know the results of the DNA tests done on his shorts? The shorts were not included in his original trial because they search was questionable, but they were brought in later during the federal appeals process. They did find a pair of his shorts in the dryer in the family home that were covered in blood, I doubt it was the blood of the cop but if it was the blood of the homeless man that would match with him being the one who did the pistol whipping, further linking him to the other crime.

The judges who have reviewed the case, even the supreme court, seem to say there is solid evidence against him, I am curious to know though what it is. I just hate hearing half the story. I like being presented with all the facts and it doesn't seem like anyone's showing all the cards w/ this one.

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09-22-2011, 12:28 PM

Thoughts:

1) Who?
2) 7 of the original witnesses who IDed Davis have recanted citing police misconduct - WTF does that even mean?
3) Citing Wikipedia means zip.
4) Kill them all, let God sort it out.
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09-22-2011, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by shimmy2

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more like you got chased out by the natives..

and by natives, i mean that literally...

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09-22-2011, 12:29 PM

I think the death sentance is good as long as there is over whelming evidence that the person sentanced is guilty. The fact that somebody can murder then the tax payers fork out the bill to keep him in prison for years on end is ludicrous.
If they are found guilty without a shadow of dought then it should be done within months and not years. I wish they would bring back hanging over here in the UK

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09-22-2011, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by BlackCrayon

how is what he did to the duke students anything to do with race on marketsmarts behalf?

How does Duke Lacrosse have anything to do with this thread/case except black people are
involved?

Nobody got murdered at Duke and nobody got the death penalty either

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09-22-2011, 12:34 PM

I think the death penalty is altogether backwards. We kill killers for killing

Anyway, he should of been granted a last appeal to the supreme court. There is only one reason he wasn't granted such an appeal. He wasn't fortunate enough to be born a rich white woman.

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09-22-2011, 12:37 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

not at all...

do you know that the angels considered humans as talking monkeys?

did you not ever see that movie prophecy?

the term applies to whites or blacks..

if i wanted to get all racist and troll i would have said "that dirty black HAHA al sharpton"

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i stand by my previous statement

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09-22-2011, 12:38 PM

Originally posted by halfpint

I think the death sentance is good as long as there is over whelming evidence that the person sentanced is guilty. The fact that somebody can murder then the tax payers fork out the bill to keep him in prison for years on end is ludicrous.
If they are found guilty without a shadow of dought then it should be done within months and not years. I wish they would bring back hanging over here in the UK

This argument would make sense if it didn't cost INFINITELY more to execute them than it does to lock them up for life. Guess what. Execution costs more.

""The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California's current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.""

http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

And that is just California. Most states have people rotting in jails for years now waiting to get a fair trial because the states are broke and can't afford to defend them. Plain and simple the death penalty is immoral, ineffective, and costs much more than imprisoning someone for life.

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09-22-2011, 12:43 PM

when your argument comes down to "eye witness testimony is unreliable" you die.
multiple courts looked at it and found it just.

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09-22-2011, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by ReGGs

This argument would make sense if it didn't cost INFINITELY more to execute them than it does to lock them up for life. Guess what. Execution costs more.

""The additional cost of confining an inmate to death row, as compared to the maximum security prisons where those sentenced to life without possibility of parole ordinarily serve their sentences, is $90,000 per year per inmate. With California's current death row population of 670, that accounts for $63.3 million annually.""

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And that is just California. Most states have people rotting in jails for years now waiting to get a fair trial because the states are broke and can't afford to defend them. Plain and simple the death penalty is immoral, ineffective, and costs much more than imprisoning someone for life.

Yeah that is why i said they should be put to death within months not years to save all that tax payers money

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09-22-2011, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by baddog

Thoughts:

1) Who?
2) 7 of the original witnesses who IDed Davis have recanted citing police misconduct - WTF does that even mean?
3) Citing Wikipedia means zip.
4) Kill them all, let God sort it out.

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09-22-2011, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by blackmonsters

How does Duke Lacrosse have anything to do with this thread/case except black people are
involved?

Nobody got murdered at Duke and nobody got the death penalty either

it shows that al sharpton likes to push his agenda regardless of the facts and get people to ignore the facts...

the fact that he never apologized to the duke students shows what a scumbag and racist he truly is..

if i accused you of raping a white woman and got a lot of the white community to stand behind me and make your life miserable for months and alter your life forever and then came out and said "oh it turns out you actually didnt rape that woman", would you want me to apologize to you? and maybe the people that jumped to my side and falsely accused you as well?

if a white preacher would have done the same thing, he would have been called a racist all day long and the blacks would have wanted his head, but somehow sharpton is allowed to get away with it...

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09-22-2011, 12:53 PM

Ever notice how most of these "innocent" people have long rap sheets? No doubt some of these people are in fact innocent of the particular murder they have been convicted but I think the moral of these stories is that if you live a life of crime people will not believe you if you are convicted of a crime you did not commit.

But yeah I am against the death penalty as well because I think caging them until they die is a much more brutal punishment.
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09-22-2011, 12:53 PM

What I find fascinating is the people that are always complaining about the govt having to much power are the ones that have no problem giving the govt the power to kill its own people.

Personally I think death is escaping justice. I would much rather be dead than to spend the rest of my life in a jail cell knowing I would never get out. Would you rather see Hitler in prison for the past 50 years getting ass raped or have gone out the way he did?
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09-22-2011, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by SuckOnThis

Yes, all public policy should be based on human emotion and not logic. You're not the brightest star in the sky, are ya.

your trying to say families should not have the right to kill the person found guilty? fuck logic

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09-22-2011, 12:56 PM

We need to be more like China and execute everyone on deathrow without them sucking up our tax dollars.
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09-22-2011, 12:57 PM

I think the execution was awesome. The old "I din do nuffin" line doesn't fool me. I'm going to take a wild guess and speculate that he was "turnin' his life aroun" too. hahaha What a crock of shit.
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09-22-2011, 12:58 PM

they should have let him go. "innocent until proven guilty" NOT "innocent until RAILROADED guilty"
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09-22-2011, 12:58 PM

Originally posted by wdsguy

We need to be more like China and execute everyone on deathrow without them sucking up our tax dollars.

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09-22-2011, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

it shows that al sharpton likes to push his agenda regardless of the facts and get people to ignore the facts...

the fact that he never apologized to the duke students shows what a scumbag and racist he truly is..

if i accused you of raping a white woman and got a lot of the white community to stand behind me and make your life miserable for months and alter your life forever and then came out and said "oh it turns out you actually didnt rape that woman", would you want me to apologize to you? and maybe the people that jumped to my side and falsely accused you as well?

if a white preacher would have done the same thing, he would have been called a racist all day long and the blacks would have wanted his head, but somehow sharpton is allowed to get away with it...

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Get a grip.

Who needs Al Sharpton to divide when you are here?

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09-22-2011, 01:06 PM

Originally posted by brassmonkey

your trying to say families should not have the right to kill the person found guilty? fuck logic

There was a guy here in Colorado that just got released from prison last year after spending more than 10 years after being convicted of murder. Now the DA and the detective are being charged with perjury because they fabricated shit to get a conviction. In Texas and in your world he would be dead already. Yea...fuck logic.
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09-22-2011, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by wdsguy

We need to be more like China and execute everyone on deathrow without them sucking up our tax dollars.

Fortunately, we still have some rights in the United States and because of those rights it costs more money to execute than spend life in jail, so your Chinese wishful thinking would not apply.

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09-22-2011, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by blackmonsters

Get a grip.

Who needs Al Sharpton to divide when you are here?

thank you for solidifying my point..

i accept your apology and forgive you for being black....

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09-22-2011, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by ReGGs

This argument would make sense if it didn't cost INFINITELY more to execute them than it does to lock them up for life. Guess what. Execution costs more.

I do not know you, so will presume your argument is based on being ignorant. The only reason it costs more to execute them is because the legal system GUARANTEES them INFINITE opportunity to prove their innocence after being found guilty. The execution itself costs about $1.78
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09-22-2011, 01:27 PM

Originally posted by baddog

I do not know you, so will presume your argument is based on being ignorant. The only reason it costs more to execute them is because the legal system GUARANTEES them INFINITE opportunity to prove their innocence after being found guilty. The execution itself costs about $1.78

If they had INFINITE opportunity then no one would ever be executed. And you're calling others ignorant?
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