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  • JMM
    Confirmed User
    • Apr 2001
    • 1755
    #1

    Good marketing of fraud?

    So what do you guys think of this...

    A paysite has all their features listed on their tour.

    On the join page, it also lists all the features you get as a member.

    There are 3 options when you join in the drop down box. A 3 day "limited trial" for a few bucks, a 30 day membership for about 30 bucks, and a 90 day membership for about 70 bucks.

    Nowhere on the tour does it say anything about a limited trial, it simply lists all the features and benefits you get if you join.

    Nowhere on the join page does it say anything about a limited trial, except on the drop down menu where it has the price, and all it says is " 3 day limited trial".

    So you figure, I'll join for a few bucks for 3 days and check it out.

    When you get in, however, you discover that most of the content is not available to you, the limited trial member. You only get to view some pics, and that is pretty much it.

    If you click on videos, or webcams or cam archives or any of that, you are promoted to upgrade your membership.

    So, what do you think? Clever marketing or outright fraud that, in my opinion, hurts the industry and screws the customer?
    Last edited by JMM; 08-06-2007, 03:40 PM.
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    • JakeR
      Confirmed User
      • May 2001
      • 1760
      #2
      It's great marketing.
      why should a surfer be able to download like 100 movies on a 3 day, $2.95 trial?
      Adult Merchant Accounts & Chargeback Management Solutions
      Domestic & Offshore
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        • JMM
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2001
          • 1755
          #3
          Originally posted by JakeR
          It's great marketing.
          why should a surfer be able to download like 100 movies on a 3 day, $2.95 trial?

          Thats not the point....shouldn't they be told that they will not have access to most of what they are being promised if they only do the 3 day trial?

          It doesn't say that ANYWHERE on the site. It shows everything you get if you join but does NOT say that trial members DO NOT GET ACCESS to most of what is offered?

          As a marketer of merchant accounts, you think this is a good practice?

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            • KimJI
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              • May 2007
              • 1839
              #4
              I don't think its Clever marketing or outright fraud. I think its a program that trust its own content and its ability to convert
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                • JMM
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                  • Apr 2001
                  • 1755
                  #5
                  Originally posted by KimJI
                  I don't think its Clever marketing or outright fraud. I think its a program that trust its own content and its ability to convert
                  OK, let me put this in a way most here will understand (I don't mean you, I don't know you)....

                  You walk into a McDonalds, and on the menu, it says Happy Meal, $1.99. And it lists that you get a burger, fries, a toy, and a drink.

                  Next to that it says TRY A HAPPY MEAL TODAY FOR ONLY .99 cents.

                  Good deal, you order the happy meal trial, get home, and open the box. No burger, no toy, no drink, 12 french fries.

                  Is there a difference?

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                    • cranki
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                      • Feb 2005
                      • 5162
                      #6
                      A good business tells the customer exactly what he gets for his money. Honesty is definitely a key factor in achieving customer loyalty and retention!

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                        • KimJI
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                          • May 2007
                          • 1839
                          #7
                          Originally posted by JMM
                          OK, let me put this in a way most here will understand (I don't mean you, I don't know you)....

                          You walk into a McDonalds, and on the menu, it says Happy Meal, $1.99. And it lists that you get a burger, fries, a toy, and a drink.

                          Next to that it says TRY A HAPPY MEAL TODAY FOR ONLY .99 cents.

                          Good deal, you order the happy meal trial, get home, and open the box. No burger, no toy, no drink, 12 french fries.

                          Is there a difference?
                          I'm not trying to start a pissingmatch, Im just saying that I see "limited trials" as not trusting your own content.

                          there should be Trials, and Full membership.

                          If your usual trials wont convert the surfer to a full membership, a limited trial wont make a difference.
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                            • EdgeXXX
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                              • Oct 2005
                              • 5816
                              #8
                              I think it makes the surfer a little more jaded from the experience and ends up hurting the industry.
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                                • Trixxxia
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                                  • Aug 2004
                                  • 5600
                                  #9
                                  JMM - The limitations of the membership are usually noted in the TOS.

                                  **not saying that it's the right way to do it - but in a world where there is fine print in everything you do, buying online is not an exception.**
                                  Last edited by Trixxxia; 08-06-2007, 03:58 PM.

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                                    • KimJI
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                                      • May 2007
                                      • 1839
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Trixxxia
                                      JMM - The limitations of the membership are usually noted in the TOS.

                                      How many horny surfers read the TOS before signing up for the porn they want to jerk off to?
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                                        • JMM
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                                          • Apr 2001
                                          • 1755
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Trixxxia
                                          JMM - The limitations of the membership are usually noted in the TOS.

                                          **not saying that it's the right way to do it - but in a world where there is fine print in everything you do, buying online is not an exception.**
                                          There is no TOS on the site.

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                                            • TheDoc
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Jul 2001
                                              • 13827
                                              #12
                                              I have been offering limited trials for years... but I do have on my signup forms that trial are limited.

                                              VISA wise, you don't need to disclose these details. Not having the statement produces a few more complaints and a few refunds. Having it gets a few less sales, a few more people take the full month and you get less complaints.

                                              The real complaint I find isn't from not having the statement or even offering limited trials. It's more directed to the major lack of content some sponsors give to trial members.. 6 movies and nothing else isn't fair, but giving them a little taste of everything and trying to get them to upgrade for more, is fair.

                                              All sites with trials should offer this service, standardize it so surfers know that a trial means limited, so spend the monthly money or take a hike.
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                                                • Sarah_Jayne
                                                  Now with more Jayne
                                                  • Dec 2002
                                                  • 40077
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by JMM
                                                  OK, let me put this in a way most here will understand (I don't mean you, I don't know you)....

                                                  You walk into a McDonalds, and on the menu, it says Happy Meal, $1.99. And it lists that you get a burger, fries, a toy, and a drink.

                                                  Next to that it says TRY A HAPPY MEAL TODAY FOR ONLY .99 cents.

                                                  Good deal, you order the happy meal trial, get home, and open the box. No burger, no toy, no drink, 12 french fries.

                                                  Is there a difference?
                                                  If it said a 'limited happy meal' I would think there was a difference.

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                                                    • Peaches
                                                      Old broad
                                                      • Oct 2002
                                                      • 13933
                                                      #14
                                                      I know there are several software programs where you can download a "limited" version of the software for a set number of days. That trial version does NOT do all the things the pay version does.

                                                      When I see "limited" and "free" it makes me think I'm not getting the full package. But I'm not a horny guy with my pecker in my hand

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                                                        • EdgeXXX
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                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                          • 5816
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Trixxxia
                                                          JMM - The limitations of the membership are usually noted in the TOS.

                                                          **not saying that it's the right way to do it - but in a world where there is fine print in everything you do, buying online is not an exception.**
                                                          This may be true but the problem is that if the surfer feels like they have been taken advantage of or scammed then they aren't going to be quite so eager to pay for it next time (which affects the rest of us). It may very well be legal because of the fine print, but once you lose someones trust you may never get it back. In a way it's pretty much like "biting the hand that feeds you"...


                                                          Just my .02
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                                                            • JMM
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                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                              • 1755
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by KimJI
                                                              I'm not trying to start a pissingmatch, Im just saying that I see "limited trials" as not trusting your own content.

                                                              there should be Trials, and Full membership.

                                                              If your usual trials wont convert the surfer to a full membership, a limited trial wont make a difference.
                                                              I agree 100%. I agree when you are offering a 3 day limited trial, where the customer gets access to the entire site, then convert them to a full membership on the strength of the quality, quantity, and frequency of updates.

                                                              What I believe is possible fraud, is where you promise the surfer A, B, C, D, E, F, and G, then tell him instead of joining for 30 days, he can join for 3 days, and only give him access to A, without disclosing anywhere that by choosing the 3 day option they do not get access to B, C, D, E, F, and G.

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                                                                • JMM
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                                                                  • Apr 2001
                                                                  • 1755
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Peaches
                                                                  I know there are several software programs where you can download a "limited" version of the software for a set number of days. That trial version does NOT do all the things the pay version does.

                                                                  When I see "limited" and "free" it makes me think I'm not getting the full package. But I'm not a horny guy with my pecker in my hand
                                                                  No, you aren't paying attention. I have NEVER seen software that is offered as a limited version that does not CLEARLY state what those limitations are.

                                                                  In this case...they make their sales pitch, offer you a few days access for a fraction of the full month price, and then only give you 1/8th of what is promised without telling you that you will only get 1/8th.

                                                                  I would bet that if you polled 1000 paying customers, 99 of them would say that a 3 day limited trial offers full access to the site for a much smaller price.

                                                                  In other words...my opinion is:

                                                                  3 day limited trial at a fraction of the price but full access: GOOD
                                                                  3 day limited trial at a fraction of the price but access to only 1/8th of the content PROMISED: Fraud.

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                                                                    • JMM
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                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                      • 1755
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by EdgeXXX
                                                                      This may be true but the problem is that if the surfer feels like they have been taken advantage of or scammed then they aren't going to be quite so eager to pay for it next time (which affects the rest of us). It may very well be legal because of the fine print, but once you lose someones trust you may never get it back. In a way it's pretty much like "biting the hand that feeds you"...


                                                                      Just my .02
                                                                      There is the thing..there is no fine print. There is no distinction made between the content you will have access to if you select the 3 day limited trial for 3 bucks, or the 30 day membership for 30 bucks.

                                                                      In fact, one could argue that since 3 days is 1/10th of 30 days, and that the limited trial price is approximately 1/10th of what they would pay for the full month, that they would expect to have the same access to content as the full month subscriber.

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                                                                        • Clark Miller
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                                                                          • Jun 2007
                                                                          • 365
                                                                          #19
                                                                          might work
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                                                                            • TheDoc
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                              • 13827
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Heh... Quality of content and the amount of updates, will never compete with a site that offers trial upgrades. The only sites with 50%+ natural trial to conversion rates are super niche sites and maybe .5% of the others.
                                                                              ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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                                                                                • Trixxxia
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                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                  • 5600
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by KimJI
                                                                                  How many horny surfers read the TOS before signing up for the porn they want to jerk off to?
                                                                                  Not saying they do - but in that case the burden is put upon the client because in the cases where it is clearly outlined in a TOS (and they've obviously clicked the *I agree with this site's Terms of Service*) then it's up to them to read before checking it off and clicking 'proceed' or 'Join'

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                                                                                    • JMM
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                                                                                      • Apr 2001
                                                                                      • 1755
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by JMM
                                                                                      No, you aren't paying attention. I have NEVER seen software that is offered as a limited version that does not CLEARLY state what those limitations are.

                                                                                      In this case...they make their sales pitch, offer you a few days access for a fraction of the full month price, and then only give you 1/8th of what is promised without telling you that you will only get 1/8th.

                                                                                      I would bet that if you polled 1000 paying customers, 99 of them would say that a 3 day limited trial offers full access to the site for a much smaller price.

                                                                                      In other words...my opinion is:

                                                                                      3 day limited trial at a fraction of the price but full access: GOOD
                                                                                      3 day limited trial at a fraction of the price but access to only 1/8th of the content PROMISED: Fraud.
                                                                                      OOPS..what I meant to say is that if you poll 1000 paying customers, 999 of the would say that a 3 day limited trial offers full access to the site for a much smaller price.

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                                                                                        • RawAlex
                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                                          • 9465
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          From a legal standpoint, Trixxxxia is correct: if they click the "I agree with the terms" box then they are claiming to be aware.

                                                                                          However, there is a real issue depending on the way that the tour is presented. If the features are listed and the cheap trial membership pushed together, the question of confusion comes in.

                                                                                          I also think that in terms of a partnership program, there are pluses and minuses for the affiliates. It may cause an upsell (when the surfer realizes they got almost dick all for $3), or it may kill sales (if the surfers reailzes they got almost dick all for $3).

                                                                                          In the end the question would be one of conversion and retention.

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                                                                                            • JMM
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                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                              • 1755
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                              From a legal standpoint, Trixxxxia is correct: if they click the "I agree with the terms" box then they are claiming to be aware.

                                                                                              However, there is a real issue depending on the way that the tour is presented. If the features are listed and the cheap trial membership pushed together, the question of confusion comes in.

                                                                                              I also think that in terms of a partnership program, there are pluses and minuses for the affiliates. It may cause an upsell (when the surfer realizes they got almost dick all for $3), or it may kill sales (if the surfers reailzes they got almost dick all for $3).

                                                                                              In the end the question would be one of conversion and retention.

                                                                                              There are no terms. Period. The only time they are asked to agree to the terms is on the CCBILL join form, and they are only asked to agree to CCBILL's terms, NOT the sites terms. Within the CCBILL terms, there is reference to the sites terms, which do not exist.

                                                                                              Although, I do have to say, even if there were terms, and those terms did disclose that trial members only receive access to 1/8th of the content, I still think its sleazy since we all know what percentage of surfers read the terms.

                                                                                              However, in this case, the point is moot. There are no terms to be agreed to.
                                                                                              Last edited by JMM; 08-06-2007, 04:37 PM.

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                                                                                                • Trixxxia
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                                                                                                  • Aug 2004
                                                                                                  • 5600
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by JMM
                                                                                                  There is no TOS on the site.
                                                                                                  Then I don't agree with the practice.

                                                                                                  Also, I've always been of the school that if you show them 'VISUALLY' what they get, like a comparison table, that sponsors would probably make more money on straight monthly signups instead of trials.

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                                                                                                    • Profits of Doom
                                                                                                      Monster Rain
                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                      • 4978
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      I have been spending a LOT of time in various surfer forums lately, especially the one's that provide Rapidshare/Megaupload links to stolen content, and this is exactly the reason they use for trading content amongst themselves. Now I know a lot of them are full of shit and are just jumping on the bandwagon, but it is easy for them to justify sharing and downloading stolen content when they are used to getting outright fucked by the online adult industry year after year, and this is outright fucking them.

                                                                                                      You should spend some time in the chat rooms on some of these boards, and you will get a taste of the surfer's disdain of this industry, and it is hard to blame them...
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                                                                                                        • EdgeXXX
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                                                                                                          • Oct 2005
                                                                                                          • 5816
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by Profits of Doom
                                                                                                          I have been spending a LOT of time in various surfer forums lately, especially the one's that provide Rapidshare/Megaupload links to stolen content, and this is exactly the reason they use for trading content amongst themselves. Now I know a lot of them are full of shit and are just jumping on the bandwagon, but it is easy for them to justify sharing and downloading stolen content when they are used to getting outright fucked by the online adult industry year after year, and this is outright fucking them.

                                                                                                          You should spend some time in the chat rooms on some of these boards, and you will get a taste of the surfer's disdain of this industry, and it is hard to blame them...
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                                                                                                            • Profits of Doom
                                                                                                              Monster Rain
                                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                                              • 4978
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by EdgeXXX
                                                                                                              100% spot on
                                                                                                              Thanks, but for the most part I might as well be pissing into the wind. It always falls on deaf ears...
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                                                                                                                • EdgeXXX
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                                                                                                                  • Oct 2005
                                                                                                                  • 5816
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Profits of Doom
                                                                                                                  Thanks, but for the most part I might as well be pissing into the wind. It always falls on deaf ears...
                                                                                                                  Tell me about it...
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                                                                                                                    • TheDoc
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                      • 13827
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Yes, the net is filled with sites that aren't actually visa compliant, or really even close since they are missing terms, billing links and the other basics.

                                                                                                                      You did say though the drop down says "limited trial", yes the details of the limit should be posted, but the meaning alone should set off some alarms in your head.

                                                                                                                      And that forum stuff is bs... They just need an excuse to cover a habit they can get for free. Surfers have been ripping, trading and swapping content long before trial member areas came into play. The trial member area swing only took off within the last couple of years, before that only a handful of sites had it.

                                                                                                                      Since the surfers are going to steal the content anyway, and they aren't going to post a notice to us, a paysite should force the surfer to pay the premium price for full content access.
                                                                                                                      ~TheDoc - ICQ7765825
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                                                                                                                        • Trixxxia
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                                                                                                                          • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                          • 5600
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Profits of Doom
                                                                                                                          Thanks, but for the most part I might as well be pissing into the wind. It always falls on deaf ears...

                                                                                                                          I disagree with that for the most part. It doesn't always fall on deaf ears - the thing is, 99% of the time, everyone thinks that they can't make a difference and rather than running towards a very vicious storm, they tend to run with the storm and have it help them push them along.

                                                                                                                          They don't collectively work together to proactively protect all of their best interests of their industry. The main reason for this is because their goal is to take a bigger chunk of eachother's marketshare.

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                                                                                                                            • JMM
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                                                                                                                              • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                              • 1755
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                              You did say though the drop down says "limited trial", yes the details of the limit should be posted, but the meaning alone should set off some alarms in your head.
                                                                                                                              Absent any other information, TOS, etc, "limited trial" can and should only mean what it already means to 99.99% of the people who visit and join adult sites. The "limit" is the number of days, in this case, 3. From a "legal" standpoint, given precedent within the industry, and absent ANY OTHER INFORMATION, I don't see how an argument could be made successfully that "limited" refers to the content.

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                                                                                                                                • Iron Fist
                                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2006
                                                                                                                                  • 23400
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  The best comparisons from trials to full is the ability to download zips and view movies - say on trial you can view full size pics, but no movies just thumbs and no zip downloads. And hell for say ten bucks more, get access to it right now (a special offer for the trial surfer which is the difference from full price and the trial price)
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                                                                                                                                    • JMM
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                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2001
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by sharphead
                                                                                                                                      The best comparisons from trials to full is the ability to download zips and view movies - say on trial you can view full size pics, but no movies just thumbs and no zip downloads. And hell for say ten bucks more, get access to it right now (a special offer for the trial surfer which is the difference from full price and the trial price)
                                                                                                                                      And that is fine. Disclose that upfront. Don't promise the surfer that they get access to it all and then not give it to them.

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                                                                                                                                        • WiredGuy
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                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 34515
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          The word trial to me means a somewhat limited evaluation. I would not expect total access, but something of an evaluation to determine if the site is good or not.
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                                                                                                                                            • Viper2K1
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                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2001
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              limited trials are a good thing, but the limitation should not be the amount of content the trial member can choose from, but the amount of mb (or gigs) they can download per day during the trial.

                                                                                                                                              This ofcourse doesn't work if the paysite is mainly a bunch of 3rd party plugins ...

                                                                                                                                              When I see a movie gallery or a paysite tour with a hot chick and I decide to join the paysite to atleast be able to download the full movie of that hot chick that made me join ... and then it turns out I don't have access, I'd be pissed and feel tricked, even if it was just $1 to join
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                                                                                                                                                • GITZINGER
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                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2006
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  where have you been? limited trials have been used by the bigger programs for years now. sheesh.
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                                                                                                                                                    • yahoo-xxx-girls.com
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                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2006
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                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      I alway understood that companies would like to give a very limited evaluation of their full line of movies and or pictures... however there is no downloading of the movies or pictures or that the movies were the short version of the full movie offered at a higher level of join... Pictures I thought people just showed much less quality samples with mid to large watermarks being displayed...

                                                                                                                                                      Is this not the case ?

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                                                                                                                                                        • RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                          So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                          • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                          • 9465
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Without a TOS on the site, not only is it a bad idea to create levels of service like this, but it is certainly NOT compliant for Visa. For me, CCBill likely should step in and get the site to clarify it's situation.

                                                                                                                                                          I have also noticed today a whole series of sites with absolutely NO corporate or ownership information at all on the sites, "domains by proxy" on their whois records, and a 2257 records keeper named as a person only, no company name. Only through very close observation (and a lucky 404 page) was I able to figure out what program these sites are from - and then the program doesn't even have great contact info. I am not shocked to have found this site and these domains linked off of a major torrent site.

                                                                                                                                                          Time for CCBill to step up and start checking their bigger accounts and making sure they are compliant in all ways. If I was part of the buying public, I would smell scam all over this!

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                                                                                                                                                            • Profits of Doom
                                                                                                                                                              Monster Rain
                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                              • 4978
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                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                                                              Yes, the net is filled with sites that aren't actually visa compliant, or really even close since they are missing terms, billing links and the other basics.

                                                                                                                                                              You did say though the drop down says "limited trial", yes the details of the limit should be posted, but the meaning alone should set off some alarms in your head.

                                                                                                                                                              And that forum stuff is bs... They just need an excuse to cover a habit they can get for free. Surfers have been ripping, trading and swapping content long before trial member areas came into play. The trial member area swing only took off within the last couple of years, before that only a handful of sites had it.

                                                                                                                                                              Since the surfers are going to steal the content anyway, and they aren't going to post a notice to us, a paysite should force the surfer to pay the premium price for full content access.
                                                                                                                                                              The trial memberships are only a small part of it. This industry has been fucking the surfer for years with a lot more than just trial memberships. Like I said, a lot of people are just jumping on the bandwagon, but a lot of paying customers have gotten the screws put to them for so long that they justify fucking over the industry in their own heads...
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                                                                                                                                                                • candyflip
                                                                                                                                                                  Carpe Visio
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  I was just checking out a site and did the trial. The signup said nothing about it (did read the TOS yet) but got in and only had limited access.

                                                                                                                                                                  Not sure I want to send traffic there now. I wasn't pissed, just slightly disappointed.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • candyflip
                                                                                                                                                                      Carpe Visio
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                                      • 43073
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      After clicking around, there's not a lick of content for a trial member to check out.

                                                                                                                                                                      Lame.

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                                                                                                                                                                        • pigman
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2006
                                                                                                                                                                          • 760
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          I actually joined one site were it just said "trial" not limited trial. Felt frauded.
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                                                                                                                                                                            • STTBoss
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                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2004
                                                                                                                                                                              • 225
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              It's an almost free, 3-day *TRIAL*. The word trial makes it clear enough, downloading 100 GB of porn in 3 days is not the point of a "Trial". It's a common practice, many companies do that (I'd say that 80-90% do) and I don't see anything wrong with that. You get what you pay for ;-)
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