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08-05-2007, 11:55 PM

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If you knew how complex the human body is you'd agree there was no other way than it being created other than by some intelligent design.

The body in no way could have be created by luck.

It is a perfectly designed object.

No way could it be created by evolution. Or derived from a monkey.

You people are fooling yourselves.

It was designed.

By who or what is up for you to decide..

Near infinitesimal trial and error is not "luck," FYI.

Fact: There are more single-cell organisms that live in one handful of topsoil than there are humans that have every walked the Earth since the dawn of time.

Fact: As each of those reproduce, mutations occur naturally.

Fact: Some single-Cell organisms have a tendency to work together across generations - and collaborate in systems, eventually becoming one. (e.g. chloroplasts in plants were once single-cell organisms, as they have their own, independent DNA)

Nature rewards those best fit for their environment with survival.

Fast-forward a few million years.

Thats lots and lots and lots of opportunities to "get it right."

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08-05-2007, 11:59 PM

Originally posted by D

Near infinitesimal trial and error is not "luck," FYI.

Fact: There are more single-cell organisms that live in one handful of topsoil than there are humans that have every walked the Earth since the dawn of time.

Fact: As each of those reproduce, mutations occur naturally.

Fact: Some single-Cell organisms have a tendency to work together across generations - and collaborate in systems, eventually becoming one. (e.g. chloroplasts in plants were once single-cell organisms, as they have their own, independent DNA)

Nature rewards those best fit for their environment with survival.

Fast-forward a few million years.

Thats lots and lots and lots of opportunities to "get it right."

Well said

The problem with many people who reject the idea of evolution, I think, is that they think it means a straight line of flawless mutations. I can imagine how that would be hard to believe.

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08-06-2007, 12:03 AM

BTW: I'm not saying that there might not have been some "force" nudging us along in the right direction...

That's a possibility... put rather eloquently by a gentleman of the name of Zacharia Sitchin, imho.

But the simple fact is we're 95 - 99% similar, on the genetic level, with many of the life in these-here parts.... and we share common genetic markers with nearly _every_ life form on this planet - past or present.

Evolution happens. It's merely an argument as to what extent.

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08-06-2007, 12:06 AM

You guys should read up on nuclear physics and quantum mechanics

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08-06-2007, 12:07 AM

I'm not going to get into this. All I'm going to say is that we did not come from rocks. All of the evolutionists have to go back further than humans coming from apes and go back to the beginning of all life. Which will lead you back to the hot soup theory stating that all life came from a puddle. A puddle on top of rocks. I do not believe that all life is derived from rocks.

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08-06-2007, 12:08 AM

Originally posted by Libertine

The problem with many people who reject the idea of evolution, I think, is that they think it means a straight line of flawless mutations. I can imagine how that would be hard to believe.

Yeah... I'd say that's a solid observation.

I think trying to understand the scope of it all helps toward the path of enlightenment... on this topic, and quite a few others.

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08-06-2007, 12:09 AM

IF you actually look at Darwins theory there is alot in there that cant be proved. Why arent their fosils of various humans during different stages of evolution? If you take it via fosils the basic fact is that one moment we werent there then the next we were.

I personnally thinks Darwins theory should be renamed the theory of how species evolve not full scale evolution.

I once read an Egyptian theory based on writing in the pyramids which suggests that we were put here by an alien race as slaves, hence why the Egyptian created slaves. Thing is it had more supporting evidence than Darwins theory of evolution.
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08-06-2007, 12:18 AM

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IF you actually look at Darwins theory there is alot in there that cant be proved. Why arent their fosils of various humans during different stages of evolution? If you take it via fosils the basic fact is that one moment we werent there then the next we were.

I personnally thinks Darwins theory should be renamed the theory of how species evolve not full scale evolution.

I once read an Egyptian theory based on writing in the pyramids which suggests that we were put here by an alien race as slaves, hence why the Egyptian created slaves. Thing is it had more supporting evidence than Darwins theory of evolution.

I'm pretty sure Darwin never said "we came from apes," FYI...

That was an element applied to his theory of natural selection after his time, I do believe.

Origin simply talks about the process of evolution. Darwin himself was a devout Christian, as a heads up... he literally begged the scientific community to disprove his findings during his time... despising his own results.

No one could.

Here's an online copy of Origin of the Species.

I'd encourage you to read it.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/origin.html

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08-06-2007, 12:28 AM

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08-06-2007, 12:28 AM

i am god!

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08-06-2007, 12:31 AM

we should have ask John titor
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08-06-2007, 12:38 AM

Originally posted by D

I'm pretty sure Darwin never said "we came from apes," FYI...

That was an element applied to his theory of natural selection after his time, I do believe.

Origin simply talks about the process of evolution. Darwin himself was a devout Christian, as a heads up... he literally begged the scientific community to disprove his findings during his time... despising his own results.

No one could.

Here's an online copy of Origin of the Species.

I'd encourage you to read it.

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/origin.html

The Orgin of Species is nothing but a piece of Propaganda good only for one thing. Sending you straight to hell.

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08-06-2007, 12:42 AM

Yo D.. Why didnt you read Orgin of Species and accept my survival of the fittest argument when we were debating about healthcare?

Seems you are a hippocrate..

OR maybe you are more influenced by Jesus than you realize.

You see Jesus likes socialized healthcare.

Darwin would like a free market survival of the fittest system.

So you with JC or against..

I dont get you bro.

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08-06-2007, 12:43 AM

If anyone wants to brush up on the Orgin of Species or the Bible for that matter let me know.

Ive been collecting Bibles from hotels over the years and have quite a few.

I could mail you one if you like.

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08-06-2007, 12:45 AM

Originally posted by boneprone

Seems you are a hippocrate..

You're saying he's a doctor?

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08-06-2007, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by Libertine

You're saying he's a doctor?

Forgive my spelling.

I am a victum of the US Public School system.

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08-06-2007, 12:49 AM

boneprone,

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08-06-2007, 01:06 AM

BONEPRONE IS FUCKING TROLLING.... GEEEEEEEZ.... DONT FEED THE TROLLS?!?!

But as an aside - how can you possibly explain the complexity of the human body without intelligent design?!?! Did poeple just appear from dust?!?!

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08-06-2007, 01:08 AM

Originally posted by boneprone

Yo D.. Why didnt you read Orgin of Species and accept my survival of the fittest argument when we were debating about healthcare?

Seems you are a hippocrate..

OR maybe you are more influenced by Jesus than you realize.

You see Jesus likes socialized healthcare.

Darwin would like a free market survival of the fittest system.

So you with JC or against..

I dont get you bro.

Maybe you're not meant to "get me," but I'd invite you to give it a try any time you're local and up for a few beers, bro.

But I don't think I'm a hypocrite... I'm for truth and enlightenment - and I'll take direction from whatever philosophies work to that end.

My thoughts of healthcare are mostly driven by my social concerns - my concepts of fairness and equal opportunity.

When it comes to this topic, it's more about the raw science, I think.

As far as JC goes, I think he was probably a pretty cool guy... a son of god - just as we're all "sons of god,"

(He's always chilling with me at home, as you can see it this shot of my desk that I put up a month or two ago: http://s211.photobucket.com/albums/b...t=100_0296.jpg )

The concept of "God" and the acceptance of "evolution" are not mutually exclusive, bro - unless we make them so.

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08-06-2007, 04:03 AM

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Actually, humans evolving with the rest of life is still a theory. Since they can figure out what the missing link is, it's still a theory.

i know but judging from the number of people who keep saying that intelligent design has no proof but fail to realize that at least one ID theory "divine Instigation" shares all of the "proof" of evolution.

imagine the entire universe is a petri dish in an experiment by a 7th dimensional being with hundreds of failures that never created life then evolution is a direct result of the exact combination matter being produced by the big bang.

Had more hydrogen and less carbon been produced the suns would be hotter and life would not have started until the universe was contracting and dying. Life as we know it would not have had time to evolve.

we get to question our existance because we live in the universe that supports evolutionary growth of life and nothing in evolutionary theory discounts this possiblity.

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08-06-2007, 05:47 AM

Originally posted by phypon

I'm not going to get into this. All I'm going to say is that we did not come from rocks. All of the evolutionists have to go back further than humans coming from apes and go back to the beginning of all life. Which will lead you back to the hot soup theory stating that all life came from a puddle. A puddle on top of rocks. I do not believe that all life is derived from rocks.

Carry on.

you have a point, well not really since the bible said adam was made from soil.

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08-06-2007, 05:54 AM

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Hey bone,

I agree somewhat. I don't believe shit ended up this way by chance.

Do you actually know how evolution works? Have you actually looked into it? Because it doesn't get summed up as "OMG RANDOM LUCK". Evolution isn't just "chance", and that's the same goddamn bullshit people tell people who are too lazy and ignorant to know and understand the evolutionary process. Evolution is a mechanism by which many other systems (economic, cultural) evolve, and the same principles apply in biological evolution. These principles are widely known. Stop being afraid of what you won't make an effort to understand.

"Missing link" --> there are huge amount of the chain found, and intelligent design fools pick on the bones millions of years old that haven't been found yet. Guess what. The bones aren't ALL going to be found, and some missing ones doesn't disprove the rest of the chain on both sides that show clearly what's going on.

"it's just a theory" --> Everything's a fucking theory, eh. Well, evolution is one of those theories that has been established as fact, about as widely accepted as the fact that water is H20. It's obvious in its way, elegant and powerful. Read about it. Read anything. Understand how it works. Please.

Also, don't believe the bullshit that says "well, a fully-formed eye doesn't just appear out of nowhere." Eyes can evolve gradually, over millions of years, as can wings, and are functional and useful along their evolutionary process, even before they are fully-formed.

Man, sometimes GFY is depressing, but this thread is the worst in a while.

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08-06-2007, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by boneprone

They gave the Asians the small dicks and big brains.

Gave the Negros a Big dick and Small Brain.

Someone was designing this... It wasnt luck or evolution!

and they gave the white man a hughe mouth I don´t know
buty you look the same as a monkey for me.....

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08-06-2007, 06:19 AM

Evolution could be the method by which intelligent design creates.
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08-06-2007, 07:15 AM

Originally posted by MetaMan

we did not come from apes, that is pure bullshit

Wisdon has spoken.

Would you say that's a FACT too?

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08-06-2007, 09:01 AM

whoow! this thread is great!

it gathered a lot of opinions and great answers!

Well, i would agree somehow with boneprone. I do believe that there is designer or creator for everything. The truth is I am a Christian, I grew up believing that there is a God who created everything on earth.

I hardly believe the evolution theory of Charles Darwin though science testifies it. And as far as I remember, when Charles Darwin was in the neck of dying, he said that He himself believe in God - that God created everything.

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08-06-2007, 09:04 AM

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Evolution could be the method by which intelligent design creates.

If you actually knew how evolution works and what intelligent design proposes, you'd know that's a nonsensical thing to say. If you mean "maybe evolution is completely right and all the science the rest of planet accepts fully as truth is in fact true, and maybe God just set the universe and evolution within it in motion" then fine, but you have to still understand that an individual specie, an organ, any instantiation of seeming "design" wasn't actually designed DIRECTLY by a designer, but over millions of years, by evolutionary processes at work. At that point, it's pointless to use terminology like "intelligent design" which is meant to suggest that the functionality and complexity of these individual instantiations IS a direct consequence of direct design.

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08-06-2007, 09:11 AM

Originally posted by sniperwolf

I hardly believe the evolution theory of Charles Darwin though science testifies it. And as far as I remember, when Charles Darwin was in the neck of dying, he said that He himself believe in God - that God created everything.

I've never heard that but it's not hard to believe. There is a saying that goes "There are no atheists in the trenches" and I guess it applies. My grandfather was an atheist his entire life until he almost died in a plane crash, then he started believing in God. But all that means to me is that when we're close to death we will believe in anything, as we will repent of all our sins and try to seek forgiveness as well.

But back to your comment. You say that even though science proves Evolution you still refuse to believe it? Simply out of faith? Do you believe what's in the bible then, and what is said in there?

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08-06-2007, 09:11 AM

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I hardly believe the evolution theory of Charles Darwin though science testifies it.

Jesus Christ, why not? Care to explain, using any kind of logic or reason? You seem proud of your closed-mindedness.

Do yourself a favour and read Breaking the Spell to gain some insight into why there aren't areas beyond rational investigation.

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08-06-2007, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by boneprone

You are a sheep.

Ya, because religious fanatics who believe in imaginary friends aren't sheep?!? Please, I've never seen more lemming-esc people in one room then going to church. I'm sorry, but you are totally flipped on this.
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08-06-2007, 09:30 AM

Originally posted by Brother Bilo

Ya, because religious fanatics who believe in imaginary friends aren't sheep?!? Please, I've never seen more lemming-esc people in one room then going to church. I'm sorry, but you are totally flipped on this.

Can't take the fool seriously. Ignore him like you would ignore a very spoiled child.

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08-06-2007, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by sniperwolf

whoow! this thread is great!

it gathered a lot of opinions and great answers!

Well, i would agree somehow with boneprone. I do believe that there is designer or creator for everything. The truth is I am a Christian, I grew up believing that there is a God who created everything on earth.

I hardly believe the evolution theory of Charles Darwin though science testifies it. And as far as I remember, when Charles Darwin was in the neck of dying, he said that He himself believe in God - that God created everything.

As I mentioned earlier - it wasn't just as he was dying... it was how he lived his life. He was a devout Christian... but even he could not ignore what he had borne witness to and discovered.

He hated his discovery, and longed for someone to disprove his findings, but no one could - or still can.

Our recent leaps in genetic science has only compounded the assertion that natural selection is the way of things.

Like I also said, evolution happens - it's just a matter of to what degree.

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08-06-2007, 09:39 AM

Here's something I don't understand:

Can't you believe in Evolutiona and maintain your religious beliefe at the same time? I mean, only a complete fool would take the bible in its literal sense. So can't someone believe in a Supreme Being and also accept Evolution as a fact?

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08-06-2007, 09:44 AM

Originally posted by J. Falcon

Here's something I don't understand:

Can't you believe in Evolutiona and maintain your religious beliefe at the same time? I mean, only a complete fool would take the bible in its literal sense. So can't someone believe in a Supreme Being and also accept Evolution as a fact?

Ok.. Im convinced.. At least some of us are indeed evolved forms of apes...

It depends on the Country and the person.

I think you struck it lucky on em both.

Congrats on your orgin bro! You, your tribe, and your Country are a true asset to science!

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08-06-2007, 09:46 AM

Originally posted by J. Falcon

Here's something I don't understand:

Can't you believe in Evolutiona and maintain your religious beliefe at the same time? I mean, only a complete fool would take the bible in its literal sense. So can't someone believe in a Supreme Being and also accept Evolution as a fact?

I don't see how you could. I mean it says in the bible that God created everything, so how could evolution be possible if God just put everyone here? Well, maybe God created humans and then everyone evolved as time when on, but we still started human? Either way, one theory has proof and the other works off blind faith, with anything else it would be a no brainer, but not here i guess.
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08-06-2007, 09:50 AM

Lets face it.

There was Adam Then there was Eve.

There is no room for dinosaurs and people coming from apes.

Get real people. Think!

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08-06-2007, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by boneprone

Lets face it.

There was Adam Then there was Eve.

There is no room for dinosaurs and people coming from apes.

Get real people. Think!

Ya, because people magically appearing is a much more resonable explanation.

It's amazing how brainwashed you sound.
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08-06-2007, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by boneprone

Lets face it.

There was Adam Then there was Eve.

There is no room for dinosaurs and people coming from apes.

Get real people. Think!

lol

it's hard to know when to take you seriously, man.

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08-06-2007, 09:54 AM

Originally posted by Brother Bilo

It's amazing how brainwashed you sound.

Whats worse is that he thinks he's funny.

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08-06-2007, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Brother Bilo

Ya, because people magically appearing is a much more resonable explanation.

It's amazing how brainwashed you sound.

Have you ever heard of Divine Creation?

If the Lord could create the Earth in 6 days dont you think anything is possible ape boy?

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08-06-2007, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by J. Falcon

Whats worse is that he thinks he's funny.

No. You and your theories are funny..

Nothing funny about creationism dude.

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08-06-2007, 10:02 AM

How could something this beautiful come from Apes?

She is clearly a Divine Creation.

End of Argument.

Martina Warren is one of God's most beautiful creations.

Anyone argue that?

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08-06-2007, 10:08 AM

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IF you actually look at Darwins theory there is
I once read an Egyptian theory based on writing in the pyramids which suggests that we were put here by an alien race as slaves, hence why the Egyptian created slaves. Thing is it had more supporting evidence than Darwins theory of evolution.

umm, lmao. i noticed gfy is full of bat shit crazies.

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But as an aside - how can you possibly explain the complexity of the human body without intelligent design?!?! Did poeple just appear from dust?!?!

yes it is possible people appeared from dust, star dust, depending which theory you believe in. it is entirely possible objects impacting earth seeded it with the elements needed for carbon-based life.
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08-06-2007, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by Simon IA Cash

Do you actually know how evolution works? Have you actually looked into it?

"it's just a theory" --> Everything's a fucking theory, eh. Well, evolution is one of those theories that has been established as fact, about as widely accepted as the fact that water is H20. It's obvious in its way, elegant and powerful. Read about it. Read anything. Understand how it works. Please.

I can't believe you'd actually try and slam me over my views. It's funny that you say that "Fact that water is H20. It's obvious in its way, elegant and powerful, yadda yadda."

Tell me what water is?

H20.

What is H20?

2 hydrogen atoms and an oxygen atom. What's an atom? a nucleus of protons and neutrons, surrounded by a zone of probability of finding electrons. As you dig deeper and deeper into it, it gets even more complex, up, down quarks, charmed quarks, different spins, particles that seem to exist for mere fractions of a second before just disappearing. Water and it's components are anything but simple!

I'm not arguing FOR ID. I'm not saying evolution is wrong.

Maybe they should have thrown Democritus down a well for suggesting matter was made of atoms without any way of proving or testing it for 1500 years?

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08-06-2007, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by hungry hungry hippy

umm, lmao. i noticed gfy is full of bat shit crazies.

yes it is possible people appeared from dust, star dust, depending which theory you believe in. it is entirely possible objects impacting earth seeded it with the elements needed for carbon-based life.

Ahh yes. The BattleStar Galatica Theory..

I mentioned this earlier.

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08-06-2007, 10:14 AM

Fucking Hippies..

Put down the pipes and do some real research.

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08-06-2007, 10:17 AM

All theories work together just fine... Evolution is life, all life. Call it God, it's the creator and taker of all life cycles. Humans only see at the level of perception that they can directly understand, we created the idea of time. We have forgotten we are one with god/life, even earth, all of life.

Religion has created every major war in history damn near, it's pure mind control, closing your thoughts off to what is really possible by forcing fear on you.

Inner Faith based beliefs, pretty much all of them have one common theme, shut the brain off so the inner mind can connect with no fears, hate, ideas, ect.. Giving you a cleaner connection to god/love.

Religion is a step if self realization, so your blind faith is part of the evolutionary chain and gods. Except it or not, you will one day understand. Let your preconceived and forced thoughts go and experience what a true connection to god is.

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08-06-2007, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by Simon IA Cash

If you actually knew how evolution works and what intelligent design proposes, you'd know that's a nonsensical thing to say.

There are some brilliant people who have lived on this earth, Einstein was one, who had so much information and math in that amazing brain of his, and yet still believed in God. Now, I'm not willing to go as far to say that I believe in a God, but I won't say I don't believe. I'm really on the fence. From the reading of many, many science books, I'd have to say that the Universe seems like a highly organized system. From Cosmotology, right down to the smallest, undetectable, theoretical Higgs-boson particle, things just look suspect to me.

Then again, we could just be soulless hunks of flesh, living out pointless existences. I guess the only thing stopping me from killing myself right now and ending this pointlessness is evolution and instinct telling me to reproduce first.

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08-06-2007, 10:22 AM

Originally posted by boneprone

Fucking Hippies..

Put down the pipes and do some real research.

And where is your research? A hot girls myspace picture and the bible. Very studious.
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08-06-2007, 10:24 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc

Let your preconceived and forced thoughts go and experience what a true connection to god is.

Conversion ratios, fast cars, and titties are much more interesting?

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