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  • Redrob
    Confirmed User
    • Oct 2004
    • 4791

    #16
    bump for answer.....

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    • gideongallery
      Confirmed User
      • Aug 2003
      • 7082

      #17
      Originally posted by Redrob
      When 99% of the videos on your site are stolen, it's hard not to know it.
      first of all if the fair use of commentary is legitimately extended to "this is the coolest dance routine i have every seen



      a lot of shit your pretending to be stolen isn't really stolen it just fair use

      When you get hundreds of DMCA notices, it's hard not to know it.
      see above 99% of all dmca are actually against fair use

      When you are running video scrappers on legit sites, it's hard not to know it.
      again depends on what your scrapping, if the source your scrapping is 99% fair use then your 99% fair use too.


      When you are paying people to upload stolen content, it's hard not to know it.
      and you don't need a new law to handle this, if you have PROOF that is what they are doing the safe harbor provision doesn't apply anyway so you can sue them into oblivion

      so this argument is total utter bullshit and you know it.

      If the new law required this level of proof before a site could be taken down, then it would be totally useless, because the current laws allow you to not only take the domain but all the assets of the company too.






      Get my drift.....

      Pornographers in the USA have 2257 to contend with and do vet every image on their sites.
      you just made my point for me
      if the 2257 does properly vet "every image on their sites" then the guys who downloaded and hosted the gallery of the under-age girl HAD to have know it was kiddie porn when they sent hits.

      of course you know that not true, a fake id, trust in the sponsor all created a situation that allowed kiddie porn to be promoted by thousands of "innocent" web masters

      the same is true with copyright infringement, in this case, trust in the uploaders, fake declarations of ownership/authorization allows copyright infringement to occur.

      That where your inconsistency comes into play, you want you and your friends to be let off if they "unknowingly" promote kiddie porn, but you want to ignore who the same situation exists for all the "pirate" sites out there too.

      “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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      • gideongallery
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2003
        • 7082

        #18
        Originally posted by raymor
        The video made it sound very bad and I was ready to write my congressman.
        After actually READING the bill, I have a different opinion.
        I thought these three parts of the bill were interesting:

        It applies only to web sites dedicated to nothing but copyright infringement. The court must see that the site has no other use.
        ?The bill still defines a site as ?dedicated to infringing activities,? if it is designed or marketed as ?enabling or facilitating? actions that are found to be infringing,? he said. ?In other words, even if the site isn?t itself infringing copyright, if its actions ?enable or facilitate? someone else?s infringement, the government can tell ISPs to blacklist your site, and copyright holders can sue to cut your funding.?


        the definition of "dedicated" to copyright infringement includes "enabling or facilitating actions" too that insanely broad.

        Just giving instructions on how to use Bit torrent without mentioning WHAT content you can get is enough to qualify for "dedicated" definition.

        It applies only to foreign sites and not to .com or .net sites.
        (in other words it's useful against Chinese and Russian thieves.)
        and the 25 other countries of the world which have a piracy tax (like Canada) which significantly extends the fair use rights of those citizens regardless where they happen to be surfing the internet from (you don't have a right to take away my piracy tax granted rights just because i am doing a contract in the states)

        It does require a court order.
        right based on a bogus definition of "Dedicated to copyright infringement" that over rides the solutions of other countries with the US definition of fair use.

        it not like that is going to get abused at all

        Like i said would you support the bill if the penalty for abusing it (being wrong) was the complete loss of your copyright protection.

        Without such a penalty their is no consequence for just bald face misrepresenting any fair use competition as "piracy"

        “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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        • Redrob
          Confirmed User
          • Oct 2004
          • 4791

          #19
          Fucking thieves trying to redefine the arguments.

          Stealing content, reposting the identical content, and enabling mass distribution of the stolen content is piracy. This is not "fair use."

          Your argument has more holes than a screen door.

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          • seeandsee
            Check SIG!
            • Mar 2006
            • 50945

            #20
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            • V_RocKs
              Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
              • Nov 2003
              • 32447

              #21
              Sounds like a good idea

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              • gideongallery
                Confirmed User
                • Aug 2003
                • 7082

                #22
                Originally posted by Redrob
                Fucking thieves trying to redefine the arguments.

                Stealing content, reposting the identical content, and enabling mass distribution of the stolen content is piracy. This is not "fair use."

                Your argument has more holes than a screen door.
                really want to name one

                why should me free speech rights to make the commentary "this is the coolest dance routine i have ever seen" be censored

                “When crimes occur through the mail, you don’t shut the post office down,” Steve Wozniak

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                • Diomed
                  Converting like it's 1999
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 6167

                  #23
                  Scary shit.

                  It's always some tiny little angle that is seized upon before the big take over occurs.

                  Fuck censorship in any way, shape, or form.

                  Apparently the sites don't even have to be "proven" to be illegal, all they have to do is point the finger and shut it down. No thanks.

                  I'm with Gideon on this one.
                  10 years of experience in:

                  CHAT SALES - PAID TRAFFIC - CONVERSION - CREATIVES - CONSULTATION

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