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  • BFT3K
    Too lazy to set a custom title
    • Dec 2005
    • 10764
    #151
    Unfortunately the old saying "absolute power corrupts absolutely" can be applied to almost any situation. - from greedy politicians, to greedy union leaders.

    The key is to keep balance. Government is necessary, but corruption is not. Same with unions. Balance is key.

    Remove government completely and we will have anarchy. Remove unions completely and the corporate powers that be, will happily take away more of the people's rights, as the "people" will be further divided.

    None of our problems can be solved without a balanced approach. Most issues are not as black-and-white as we wish they were.

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      • Cherry7
        Confirmed User
        • Aug 2005
        • 3564
        #152
        Originally posted by Sunny Day
        Unions have been around for centuries, they were called guilds.
        The minimum wage is BS. The minimum wage, is what a family needs to realistically live on. Say, the Flintstones, the Simpsons, The Beaver Cleaver family. It takes at least $70,000+ a year for a family of 2-4 to live basic American Dream. The average worker in the US makes a lot less than $70K per year
        Walmart, America's largest retailer has no unions.
        Of course, those pesky employees keep suing, since the Great, Wonderful Walmart makes them clock out after 40 hours to avoid overtime. But then makes them work for free. That's Slavery.
        Walmart has no health benefits, but new employees are instructed on how to apply for food stamps and Medicaid.
        Walmart has no retirement plan. Since you can't afford to work at Walmart and eat, how are you going to afford a 401K?
        I used to eat with some older guys. One who bad mouthed welfare every day. But the govt. paid him to grow Angora Goats, for our next World War II. Same place, at the bar were 2 guys always bitching about "welfare mothers," while bragging about how they were getting federal money to rehab some old buildings, into condos, no one would ever buy.
        The UAW was created after GM & Ford pulled so much crap. You never knew from day to day if you would work. You just showed up at the gate and hoped for the best. It was up to the supervisor to let you in. Sometimes the only way you got in, was your wife did his laundry. Sometimes she had to fuck him. That or let your family starve.
        Anybody who bad mouths unions is a lackey for the Kochs. Unions aren't perfect, but without them, employees in the US would be working in the same conditions as China.
        That's the ticket, fire all adult Americans. Hire children and make them work 16 hours, 7 days a week. So what if the factory burns down with all locked inside. there's plenty more children as people keep making more.
        Long as rich, white folk are safe in their mansions, who cares?
        Thank you for the interesting post....
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          • 12clicks
            Too lazy to set a custom title
            • Jan 2001
            • 19813
            #153
            Originally posted by ReGGs
            I'm so tired of hearing this crap. It's the "conservative" states that feed off the government trough much the same way a lot of scrappy independent businessmen wouldn't have a dime if it wasn't for no-bid government contracts provided through bought and paid for political appointments.



            So yeah keep feeding from the liberal trough.

            http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_b...ates_feed.html
            this uneducated argument comes up often.
            take NJ for example. You have a minority of successful people propping up the state and voting conservative and then you have the rabble in towns like camden, jersey city, trenton, etc. etc. leeching off of the system and voting democratic.
            Your chart is an accurate lie.
            a misstating of the facts to convey an inaccurate picture.
            Last edited by 12clicks; 08-11-2011, 06:55 AM.
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              • raymor
                Confirmed User
                • Oct 2002
                • 3745
                #154
                Originally posted by TheDoc
                I don't even know where to start.... so I'll start with, wtf does that bullshit have to do with you being off by a 100 years of the op or any damn subject in this thread? Not a damn thing, that's what!

                And I wish dems supported civil rights and they were good guys? I'm shocked, I had no idea I felt this way... heck, I had no idea that I even cared, shit... I had no idea I was a democrat, I'm not registered as one, so this is all pretty new to me.

                Next time, you should just say oops, my bad, I read it wrong... rather than coming up with stupid as long winded post where you assume you have a clue about someone you don't know.

                I wouldn't want to be on the side of misinformation... so I'll stay put.
                In that case I don't know what you mean by "a hundred years off."
                The OP stated that the unions were directly responsible for the civil rights act of 1964. I showed that in fact their side, the left, tried to stop it. Please explain how that's a hundred years off.

                The OP also claimed that the unions were responsible for the eight hour day standard. I mentioned that president Grant made tge right hour proclamation long before powerful unions existed. Please explain your comment.

                Given the few words you said, I guessed that you meant I was confusing 1964 with 1866, that the left actually supported civil rights in '64. People who claim that simply don't know recent history, or wish it were different and claim their wishes as fact.
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                  • TheDoc
                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                    • Jul 2001
                    • 13827
                    #155
                    Originally posted by raymor
                    In that case I don't know what you mean by "a hundred years off."
                    The OP stated that the unions were directly responsible for the civil rights act of 1964. I showed that in fact their side, the left, tried to stop it. Please explain how that's a hundred years off.

                    The OP also claimed that the unions were responsible for the eight hour day standard. I mentioned that president Grant made tge right hour proclamation long before powerful unions existed. Please explain your comment.

                    Given the few words you said, I guessed that you meant I was confusing 1964 with 1866, that the left actually supported civil rights in '64. People who claim that simply don't know recent history, or wish it were different and claim their wishes as fact.
                    The fact that you even attempted to show dems were against it is, pointless, then referencing history a hundred years before, is even more pointless. That's was the point.

                    Moving on... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight-hour_day

                    "In the United States, Philadelphia carpenters went on strike in 1791 for the ten-hour day. By the 1830s, this had become a general demand. In 1835, workers in Philadelphia organized a general strike, led by Irish coal heavers. Their banners read, From 6 to 6, ten hours work and two hours for meals. Labor movement publications called for an eight-hour day as early as 1836. Boston ship carpenters, although not unionized, achieved an eight-hour day in 1842."

                    "....On May 19, 1869, Grant signed a National Eight Hour Law Proclamation."

                    78 after they first went on strike.... thank you unions!
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                      • _Richard_
                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                        • Oct 2006
                        • 30989
                        #156
                        remember reading that story about american military bombing striking unions.. in america..

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                          • raymor
                            Confirmed User
                            • Oct 2002
                            • 3745
                            #157
                            The Flintstones, Cleaver post is excellent in that it makes so strikingly clear the heart if the disagreement. The poster says that minimum wage should support an average family. On the other side I recognize that I started at minimum wage when I read fifteen, working a job that taught me basics like showing up on time. By showing up and doing my job, I earned a raise within two months and two years later I was earning twice minimum wage. From where I sit, minimum wage is the MINIMUM for a minimally useful employee, probably a teenager just starting out. It's also the minimum cost to hire a drunk who calls in all of the time.

                            It seems to me that the sixteen year old and the lazy slob who doesn't bother to show up on time do not produce enough to support a family. If you need to support a family, you need to show up on time and learn your job so you'll be worth a lot more than minimum wage. Regardless of "right" or "wrong", the claim that minimum wage should support a family with a couple kids shows clearly where rhe underlying thinking differs.

                            I don't need a union to set my wage and I didn't need one when I was flipping burgers because I worked hard to be worth what I needed to earn. When I left one burger place, I had two other job offers within an hour.

                            I am curious, assume minimum wage were set high enough to support a family of four, say $20 / hour. Do you think teenagers would be paid $20 / hour to do work that's worth only $8, with companies losing money on every employee, or do you think that the young, the drunk and the lazy simply wouldn't be hired at all?

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                              • dyna mo
                                just a fucking jerk
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 68184
                                #158
                                Originally posted by _Richard_
                                remember reading that story about american military bombing striking unions.. in america..
                                what story would that be?

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                                  • JamesGw
                                    Confirmed User
                                    • Apr 2011
                                    • 1237
                                    #159
                                    It's insane how much more money you can make by being union. I knew a girl that got ~150/hr doing sheet metal because he was union. After he moved to an area without unions, he would have been doing 30/hr for the same work.
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                                      • raymor
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Oct 2002
                                        • 3745
                                        #160
                                        Originally posted by TheDoc
                                        ...
                                        "In the United States, Philadelphia carpenters went on strike in 1791 for the ten-hour day. By the 1830s, this had become a general demand.
                                        ...
                                        Boston ship carpenters, although not unionized, achieved an eight-hour day in 1842.                                        "

                                        "....On May 19, 1869, Grant signed a National Eight Hour Law Proclamation."

                                        78 after they first went on strike.... thank you unions!
                                        Thank you for clarifying. I believe I understand your point now. Your point is that a
                                        local guild in Philadelphia was helpful to it's dozens of members long before the
                                        modern age of powerful national unions and that was also before the eight hour day
                                        was implemented nationally under Grant. I wonder how a few dozen Philadelphia
                                        carpenters in the 1700s relate to the 11 million member AFL-CIO today. Should the
                                        AFL-CIO get credit for what a few dozen Philadelphia carpenters did in 1791, because
                                        they could both be called "unions"?

                                        I wonder if small local unions would be as helpful today as they were around the
                                        time the country was founded. Of course, I don't know what problems those small
                                        local unions caused back then. Maybe they caused big problems, maybe not, I don't know.
                                        Maybe that style of small local union would be more helpful today. I don't know.
                                        Did the modern age of national mega-unions as a result of WWII ruin a good thing?
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                                          • _Richard_
                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                            • Oct 2006
                                            • 30989
                                            #161
                                            Originally posted by dyna mo
                                            what story would that be?
                                            the story of the us military bombing union strikers.. i am sure you have as much access to google as i do

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                                              • Sly
                                                Let's do some business!
                                                • Sep 2004
                                                • 31378
                                                #162
                                                Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                the story of the us military bombing union strikers.. i am sure you have as much access to google as i do
                                                Not finding anything.

                                                Why would you mention an obscure story and then refuse to post information about it?
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                                                  • dyna mo
                                                    just a fucking jerk
                                                    • Dec 2008
                                                    • 68184
                                                    #163
                                                    Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                    the story of the us military bombing union strikers.. i am sure you have as much access to google as i do
                                                    of course i have google and i used it in this instance- results = nada

                                                    http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...triking+unions

                                                    thus my asking you what story are you talking about.

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                                                      • Sly
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                                                        • Sep 2004
                                                        • 31378
                                                        #164
                                                        Okay, I found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...military_force
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                                                          • _Richard_
                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                            • Oct 2006
                                                            • 30989
                                                            #165
                                                            oh weird.. you guys are having trouble pulling up results

                                                            how.. odd.

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                                                              • baddog
                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                • 107089
                                                                #166
                                                                Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                what story would that be?
                                                                Back in the day, union busting used to be a lot harsher than what WI is doing today. While I am confident the US military never got involved in union busting, he may be referring to Hooverville and when the Army was called in to remove the occupants during the Great Depression

                                                                Settlements of unemployed men sprang up and were dubbed "Hoovervilles". The army was used to remove war veterans who had marched to Washington, DC, to ask for advance payment of their war bonuses. Hoover stuck to his principles and continued to urge local and state action. The states proved unable to cope. As conditions worsened, Hoover established the Reconstruction Finance Corporation to lend money to firms that could offer collateral, but it had little impact.

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                                                                  • _Richard_
                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                    • Oct 2006
                                                                    • 30989
                                                                    #167
                                                                    woo forgive my sassiness

                                                                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

                                                                    even this is incorrect lol private planes in 1921 with access to ordinance from ww1? haha

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                                                                      • baddog
                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                        • 107089
                                                                        #168
                                                                        Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                        woo forgive my sassiness

                                                                        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

                                                                        even this is incorrect lol private planes in 1921 with access to ordinance from ww1? haha
                                                                        You like to spin everything you can to be anti-US even if it means making shit up.

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                                                                          • _Richard_
                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                            • Oct 2006
                                                                            • 30989
                                                                            #169
                                                                            here is a 'less edited' version of the story

                                                                            http://www.redneckpossum.com/BattleOfBlairMountain.htm

                                                                            victors do write the history apparently

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                                                                              • _Richard_
                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                • Oct 2006
                                                                                • 30989
                                                                                #170
                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                You like to spin everything you can to be anti-US even if it means making shit up.
                                                                                a personal attack based on nothing? why baddog, i am disappoint

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                                                                                  • dyna mo
                                                                                    just a fucking jerk
                                                                                    • Dec 2008
                                                                                    • 68184
                                                                                    #171
                                                                                    Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                    oh weird.. you guys are having trouble pulling up results

                                                                                    how.. odd.
                                                                                    no reason to be defensive.

                                                                                    you can make this about my google skills all you want and maybe i am not the top notch googler, yawn, but i simply inquired as to what story you are talking about.

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                                                                                      • _Richard_
                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                        • Oct 2006
                                                                                        • 30989
                                                                                        #172
                                                                                        Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                        no reason to be defensive.

                                                                                        you can make this about my google skills all you want and maybe i am not the top notch googler, yawn, but i simply inquired as to what story you are talking about.
                                                                                        i make what about you? i was stating that i had a lot more difficulty finding this information this time around than i did before, why i was apologizing for my sassiness

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                                                                                          • dyna mo
                                                                                            just a fucking jerk
                                                                                            • Dec 2008
                                                                                            • 68184
                                                                                            #173
                                                                                            Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                            here is a 'less edited' version of the story

                                                                                            http://www.redneckpossum.com/BattleOfBlairMountain.htm

                                                                                            victors do write the history apparently
                                                                                            The fledgling United States Army Air Service dropped a few pipe and tear gas bombs as a demonstration meant to overawe the labor organizers.

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                                                                                              • _Richard_
                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                • Oct 2006
                                                                                                • 30989
                                                                                                #174
                                                                                                Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                The fledgling United States Army Air Service dropped a few pipe and tear gas bombs as a demonstration meant to overawe the labor organizers.
                                                                                                keep reading

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                                                                                                  • _Richard_
                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                    • Oct 2006
                                                                                                    • 30989
                                                                                                    #175
                                                                                                    i like this sentence the best:

                                                                                                    "On orders from the famous General Billy Mitchell, Army bombers from Maryland were also used to disperse the miners, a rare example of Air Power being used by the federal government against US citizens."

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                                                                                                      • dyna mo
                                                                                                        just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                        • Dec 2008
                                                                                                        • 68184
                                                                                                        #176
                                                                                                        i read the whole thing.

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                                                                                                          • _Richard_
                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                            • Oct 2006
                                                                                                            • 30989
                                                                                                            #177
                                                                                                            wonderful.

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                                                                                                              • _Richard_
                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                • 30989
                                                                                                                #178


                                                                                                                so is this tear gas or pipebomb?

                                                                                                                guess you missed the pictures?
                                                                                                                Last edited by _Richard_; 08-11-2011, 10:27 AM.

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                                                                                                                  • baddog
                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                    • 107089
                                                                                                                    #179
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                    i like this sentence the best:

                                                                                                                    "On orders from the famous General Billy Mitchell, Army bombers from Maryland were also used to disperse the miners, a rare example of Air Power being used by the federal government against US citizens."
                                                                                                                    You provided two links and each said the planes were there for different reasons. Naturally, you picked the one that implied "american military bombing striking unions."

                                                                                                                    Since you were not there, you do not know what really happened. History = his story. I know which story you believe.

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                                                                                                                      • 12clicks
                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                        • Jan 2001
                                                                                                                        • 19813
                                                                                                                        #180
                                                                                                                        ..............
                                                                                                                        I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

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                                                                                                                          • Sly
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                                                                                                                            • Sep 2004
                                                                                                                            • 31378
                                                                                                                            #181
                                                                                                                            So now we are talking about the possibility of the US military bombing striking unions 50+ years ago?

                                                                                                                            What that has to do with current union politics, I have no idea.
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                                                                                                                              • _Richard_
                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                                • 30989
                                                                                                                                #182
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                You provided two links and each said the planes were there for different reasons. Naturally, you picked the one that implied "american military bombing striking unions."

                                                                                                                                Since you were not there, you do not know what really happened. History = his story. I know which story you believe.
                                                                                                                                if you weren't either, why are you telling me what i do and do not know?

                                                                                                                                before i mentioned this you were all 'the US military would NEVER', but we know that is now not true as these magical 'private planes' were armed with military ordinance.

                                                                                                                                it's funny you bring up the idea of 'twisting history'

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                                                                                                                                  • _Richard_
                                                                                                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                                    • 30989
                                                                                                                                    #183
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                                                                    So now we are talking about the possibility of the US military bombing striking unions 50+ years ago?

                                                                                                                                    What that has to do with current union politics, I have no idea.
                                                                                                                                    current union politics? or the same politics all along?

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                                                                                                                                      • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                                        Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                                        • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                                        • 23200
                                                                                                                                        #184
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                                        That's sad... as they aren't the real issue.

                                                                                                                                        As long as Cali has to sell its resources and buy back at a loss, it will always be screwed. Even if you removed every illegal and it cost the State nothing, the State would still be screwed. However, more border security, simply means that money will be moved, not saved and then add in the loss tax revenue, micro economy they do create, etc, even more lost. And the same real problems still in place....
                                                                                                                                        We don't need to add more border control, we need to shut off the silver spoon, we voted to pass prop 187 but we were denied by one fucktard judge. It would have saved the state BILLIONS. The border security is more for control drug and gun traffic and anyone attemping it should be shot. It won't stop them, but enough of them get shot, less of them to keep trying
                                                                                                                                        Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                                        think about that

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                                                                                                                                          • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                            just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                            • 68184
                                                                                                                                            #185
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by _Richard_


                                                                                                                                            so is this tear gas or pipebomb?

                                                                                                                                            guess you missed the pictures?
                                                                                                                                            i wouldn't even hazard a guess as to what that is. and there were no pics on the link i clicked so yes, i missed the pictures. :-(

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                                                                                                                                              • baddog
                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                • 107089
                                                                                                                                                #186
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                                                before i mentioned this you were all 'the US military would NEVER', but we know that is now not true as these magical 'private planes' were armed with military ordinance.
                                                                                                                                                and you still have not proven that the US military EVER BOMBED strikers. Crowd control in a riot is not an act of war.

                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                                                current union politics? or the same politics all along?
                                                                                                                                                More of your bullshit . . . I can take care of this

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                                                                                                                                                  • Barry-xlovecam
                                                                                                                                                    It's 42
                                                                                                                                                    • Jun 2010
                                                                                                                                                    • 18083
                                                                                                                                                    #187
                                                                                                                                                    Feb 28, 2011 ? Just 17 percent of voters in November were from a union household, down from 23 percent in the 2006 midterm elections, according to national ...

                                                                                                                                                    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...holds-in-2010/
                                                                                                                                                    I fail to see the relevance today to the current economic situation.
                                                                                                                                                    Stale talking point.

                                                                                                                                                    You are assuming that the union household voters form a cohesive voting block -- they don't FYI.

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                                                                                                                                                      • baddog
                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                        • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                        • 107089
                                                                                                                                                        #188
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                        i wouldn't even hazard a guess as to what that is. and there were no pics on the link i clicked so yes, i missed the pictures. :-(
                                                                                                                                                        It is obviously a prototype of an A-bomb. Take off the blinders.


                                                                                                                                                        </sarcasm>

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                                                                                                                                                          • dyna mo
                                                                                                                                                            just a fucking jerk
                                                                                                                                                            • Dec 2008
                                                                                                                                                            • 68184
                                                                                                                                                            #189
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                            It is obviously a prototype of an A-bomb. Take off the blinders.


                                                                                                                                                            </sarcasm>
                                                                                                                                                            well played.

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                                                                                                                                                              • _Richard_
                                                                                                                                                                Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                                                                • 30989
                                                                                                                                                                #190
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                                                                                and you still have not proven that the US military EVER BOMBED strikers. Crowd control in a riot is not an act of war.



                                                                                                                                                                More of your bullshit . . . I can take care of this
                                                                                                                                                                how does a military bomber disperse a crowd, baddog? who owns private planes in 1921 and how do these private planes get military ordinance?

                                                                                                                                                                ahh swearing.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Sunny Day
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                                                                                                                                                                    #191
                                                                                                                                                                    40 hour work week not law until 1932

                                                                                                                                                                    25 June 1938 (United States)
                                                                                                                                                                    The Wages and Hours (later Fair Labor Standards) Act is passed, banning child labor and setting the 40-hour work week. The Act went into effect in October 1940, and was upheld in the Supreme Court on 3 February 1941.

                                                                                                                                                                    That's from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ues_and_events

                                                                                                                                                                    You can see how many times troops or Natl. Guardsmen were called out

                                                                                                                                                                    May 1934 (United States)
                                                                                                                                                                    Police attacked and fired upon striking Teamster truck drivers in Minneapolis who were demanding recognition of their union, wage increases, and shorter working hours. As violence escalated, Governor Olson went so far as to declare martial law in Minneapolis, deploying 4,000 National Guardsmen. The strike ended on August 21 when company owners finally accepted union demands.

                                                                                                                                                                    20 April 1914 (United States)
                                                                                                                                                                    The "Ludlow Massacre." In an attempt to persuade strikers at Colorado's Ludlow Mine Field to return to work, company "guards," engaged by John D. Rockefeller, Jr. and other mine operators and sworn into the State Militia just for the occasion, attacked a union tent camp with machine guns, then set it afire. Five men, two women and 12 children died as a result.[4][5]

                                                                                                                                                                    Unions did violence too. But guards at Ford plants in the 30's carried Thompson sub-machine guns and used them regularly.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • Sunny Day
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                                                                                                                                                                        • Dec 2010
                                                                                                                                                                        • 1406
                                                                                                                                                                        #192
                                                                                                                                                                        Mitchell was called to use airplanes, did not act

                                                                                                                                                                        From
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                                                                                                                                                                        Even while negotiating with Governor Morgan, General Harbord proceeded with preparations to intervene. On August 26, he sent Bandholtz to prepare for infantry operations and instructed Major General Charles T. Menoher, Chief of the Air Service, to examine Kanawha Field, outside Charleston, to determine its suitability for use in either reconnaissance or tactical air support operations. Later in the day, commander of the First Provisional Air Brigade, Brigadier General Billy Mitchell, personally led a flight of three olive-drab DeHavilland Bombers (DH-4B) from Bolling Field in the District of Columbia to execute Harbord's orders concerning Kanawha Field. Upon landing, Mitchell, never one to mince words about airpower, commented to the press that the Army Air Service, by itself, could end the civil disturbance by dropping canisters of tear gas upon the miners. If that failed he recommended the use of artillery by the ground forces to bring the crisis to a speedy conclusion.31

                                                                                                                                                                        Fortunately, Billy Mitchell lost the opportunity to demonstrate what tear gas or artillery could do to mountaineers, miners, and immigrants armed with hunting rifles. As soon as Keeney and Mooney read Bandholtz's note and addressed the crowd, the miners decided to call off the march. The two men impressed the group with the seriousness of the current situation and appealed to their loyalty and patriotism. If the march continued, it was stated, it would be done against the direct orders of the President of the United States. The miners would then be facing the entire might of the federal government and the United States Army. For the first time many miners realized that their march was interpreted by federal authorities as a rebellion against the West Virginia and federal governments and not as a justified and righteous struggle against what miners perceived as greedy coal operators, corrupt sheriffs, or ruthless Baldwin-Felts "thugs." As the marchers began to disperse, Keeney and Mooney hurriedly made arrangements with local railroads on August 27 to return the miners to their homes.32

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                                                                                                                                                                          • _Richard_
                                                                                                                                                                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2006
                                                                                                                                                                            • 30989
                                                                                                                                                                            #193
                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Sunny Day
                                                                                                                                                                            From
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                                                                                                                                                                            Even while negotiating with Governor Morgan, General Harbord proceeded with preparations to intervene. On August 26, he sent Bandholtz to prepare for infantry operations and instructed Major General Charles T. Menoher, Chief of the Air Service, to examine Kanawha Field, outside Charleston, to determine its suitability for use in either reconnaissance or tactical air support operations. Later in the day, commander of the First Provisional Air Brigade, Brigadier General Billy Mitchell, personally led a flight of three olive-drab DeHavilland Bombers (DH-4B) from Bolling Field in the District of Columbia to execute Harbord's orders concerning Kanawha Field. Upon landing, Mitchell, never one to mince words about airpower, commented to the press that the Army Air Service, by itself, could end the civil disturbance by dropping canisters of tear gas upon the miners. If that failed he recommended the use of artillery by the ground forces to bring the crisis to a speedy conclusion.31

                                                                                                                                                                            Fortunately, Billy Mitchell lost the opportunity to demonstrate what tear gas or artillery could do to mountaineers, miners, and immigrants armed with hunting rifles. As soon as Keeney and Mooney read Bandholtz's note and addressed the crowd, the miners decided to call off the march. The two men impressed the group with the seriousness of the current situation and appealed to their loyalty and patriotism. If the march continued, it was stated, it would be done against the direct orders of the President of the United States. The miners would then be facing the entire might of the federal government and the United States Army. For the first time many miners realized that their march was interpreted by federal authorities as a rebellion against the West Virginia and federal governments and not as a justified and righteous struggle against what miners perceived as greedy coal operators, corrupt sheriffs, or ruthless Baldwin-Felts "thugs." As the marchers began to disperse, Keeney and Mooney hurriedly made arrangements with local railroads on August 27 to return the miners to their homes.32
                                                                                                                                                                            so the picture of the miners with the bomb is a fake?

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                                                                                                                                                                              • Sunny Day
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                                                                                                                                                                                • Dec 2010
                                                                                                                                                                                • 1406
                                                                                                                                                                                #194
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                                                                                                                so the picture of the miners with the bomb is a fake?
                                                                                                                                                                                I have no clue or clue where/when that picture was taken. Could be a bomb to use on miners, could be a bomb made by miners for all I know.

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • baddog
                                                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Apr 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 107089
                                                                                                                                                                                    #195
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sunny Day
                                                                                                                                                                                    I have no clue or clue where/when that picture was taken. Could be a bomb to use on miners, could be a bomb made by miners for all I know.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh come on. Stop being such a sheep. The only reason thermonuclear devices were not used for union busting is that the strike line was right in front of the businesses. They needed smart bombs.

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