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  • Paul Markham
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    • Jun 2001
    • 52942
    #51
    I just found this on his site. But he says people are emailing in pictures. So Mike what is correct? You have all the documents or the people posting them have them or not. How do you know who is posting these pictures.

    all pictures on this site are believed to be within compliance of the title 18 section 2256 of the u.s. code, as well as compliant with coppa. please report all offenses immediately to webmaster at mikeproject.com.



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      • Pipecrew
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        • Feb 2002
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        #52
        Originally posted by Sly_RJ
        I'm getting a kick out of how CP and pedophilia is being thrown around in this thread. There are TONS of sites around exactly like the one talked about above. People like to know what others think about their looks. Fuck, there's even one for adult webmasters. You should see LittleC, hot damn!

        Anyway, this certainly does not make Mike a pedophile or a CP pusher. Anyone claiming so might want to reconsider what they say next time.

        Mike, definitely get more strict on every submission. I'm assuming you review all pictures prior to listing. But for a Rate My Thong site, you're better off requiring a 18+ limit. There's no use risking it, especially since you're not making any green.
        Exactly, Sites like these have been in every major magazine and radio show, Hotornot, ratemyface etc...... half of the submitters are under the age of 18, i am sure if this was illegal, it would of been brought up far before this thread

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          • mike503
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            • May 2002
            • 2243
            #53
            so all the pictures of britney spears in skimpy outfits, showing some thong and such from before she was 18, that were published everywhere, in magazines, television, as well as i *know* some of you very people condemning me as a "pedo" have seen or collected - those would be illegal?

            i made the mistake of asking a porn industry board about a non-porn industry site. i do not need anymore half-baked opinions or anything. simply put, if you're not a lawyer, your advice and opinions adds nothing to this, if you are a lawyer, contact me because i would like your services.

            i am already working at ensuring my sites are cleaned/well within the bounds of usc 2256, and yes, that does mean i still can have pictures of people under 18, because that is hardly illegal. i just had some borderline things and i wanted to get that cleared up, and i figured this board had some people who would know who to contact in regards to asking for advice/guidance on CP. instead, i get a lot of personal opinions and baseless name calling. let's just drop this topic, mmkay? i've gone down another path to ask people who know what they're talking about
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              • UnseenWorld
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                • May 2001
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                #54
                Originally posted by ADIDAS


                Hey fiction, according to California law - if you are in possession of lude pictures of, or have sex with someone under the age 18 you are a sex offender, a pedophile.

                I have family that is in law enforcement and criminal law!

                sex offender (not =) pedophile

                A rapist is a sex offender but not a pedophile. I abhor people who sexually abuse prepubescent children (the actual pedophile according to abnormal psychology). Someone who has sex with a 17 year old girl (knowingly) is breaking the law (age of consent varying from country to country and place to place). Now, legislators can pass a law saying white is black, but that doesn't make white black.

                I'm just a defender of the language here. I don't think people should boff children, but I do think words should not be polluted by stretching their definitions to the breaking point. A person is not a "child" the day before their birthday and then an "adult" on their birthday except in the eyes of the law. That would be absurd except as a legal construction. But we do need laws, and if the legislators feel that 18 is some kind of turning point, generally speaking, then that must be respected.
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                  • UnseenWorld
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                    • May 2001
                    • 5279
                    #55
                    Originally posted by mike503
                    so all the pictures of britney spears in skimpy outfits, showing some thong and such from before she was 18, that were published everywhere, in magazines, television, as well as i *know* some of you very people condemning me as a "pedo" have seen or collected - those would be illegal?

                    i made the mistake of asking a porn industry board about a non-porn industry site. i do not need anymore half-baked opinions or anything. simply put, if you're not a lawyer, your advice and opinions adds nothing to this, if you are a lawyer, contact me because i would like your services.

                    i am already working at ensuring my sites are cleaned/well within the bounds of usc 2256, and yes, that does mean i still can have pictures of people under 18, because that is hardly illegal. i just had some borderline things and i wanted to get that cleared up, and i figured this board had some people who would know who to contact in regards to asking for advice/guidance on CP. instead, i get a lot of personal opinions and baseless name calling. let's just drop this topic, mmkay? i've gone down another path to ask people who know what they're talking about
                    If you're in the porn industry, then you did ask your question in the right place. If not, why are you posting on this board?

                    If you even get into trouble, your entire business will be looked at, not one site. They will confiscate your computer, and some cool picture you downloaded from a website (or worse, newsgroup) will come at issue, and if you're asked "How old is this person?" how will you answer? They will call in a pediatrician who may say, "She might be as young as 16 or as old as 18." If a judge or jury decides she looks more like she's at the younger end of that scale, and you can provide no proof otherwise, that will be weighed along with everything else against you.
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                      • ADIDAS
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                        • Sep 2001
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                        #56
                        Originally posted by UnseenWorld


                        sex offender (not =) pedophile

                        A rapist is a sex offender but not a pedophile. I abhor people who sexually abuse prepubescent children (the actual pedophile according to abnormal psychology). Someone who has sex with a 17 year old girl (knowingly) is breaking the law (age of consent varying from country to country and place to place). Now, legislators can pass a law saying white is black, but that doesn't make white black.

                        I'm just a defender of the language here. I don't think people should boff children, but I do think words should not be polluted by stretching their definitions to the breaking point. A person is not a "child" the day before their birthday and then an "adult" on their birthday except in the eyes of the law. That would be absurd except as a legal construction. But we do need laws, and if the legislators feel that 18 is some kind of turning point, generally speaking, then that must be respected.
                        You have a point, but, in california, if you have sex with a minor, and are caught you are a sex offender and MUST be registered with the state as such.

                        Having sex with a minor does make you a pedophile, even if she is one day short of 18!

                        The law is there.
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                          • mike503
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                            #57
                            Originally posted by UnseenWorld


                            If you're in the porn industry, then you did ask your question in the right place. If not, why are you posting on this board?
                            these sites are not in the porn industry. i just figured some people on this board would know resources for this since it's such a hot topic in the porn industry.
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                              • pr0view
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                                • May 2001
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                                #58
                                i don't believe that this guy is a pedophile.

                                but it's always better to stay off those grey areas. or, at least, to consult a very good lawyer.

                                but he does have a point about brittney spears - how much of you wanted to "give it to her" when she was 17? what about the pictures that were especailly created to "conduct a sexual feeling"?
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                                  • Clovis
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                                    #59
                                    You are telling us you have lots of underage content, and I am guessing that you dont have model releases for most of it either. I think you are headed for some very big trouble.
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                                      • Paul Markham
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                                        • Jun 2001
                                        • 52942
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by mike503

                                        these sites are not in the porn industry. i just figured some people on this board would know resources for this since it's such a hot topic in the porn industry.
                                        You asked our advice and when we did not give you what you wanted to hear you shoot us down.

                                        I've been in porn from before you were born and my advice is, which you asked for, your site is pornographic. If I was on a jury and asked if titilating pictures of 13-15 year old girls was CP you would go down.

                                        And that is from a guy who shoots "Teeny". What you do not realise is who took the pictures on your site. The girl with a timer on the camera, her boyfriend or an "Uncle Ernie" (from "Tommy").

                                        You do not know what happened to get these girls to pose like that. Before or after the pictures were taken. How do you know that each and every girl was willing to pose semi naked, got an ID shot, Model Release? How do you know that that is as far as the photo session went? You do not know and do not want to know. In your mind "Young girls like doing this, they want to do it" That is the excuse of every peodophile.



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                                          • G Sharp
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                                            • May 2002
                                            • 1343
                                            #61
                                            If there's no nudity and no sexual conduct, maybe you avoid federal anti-child porn laws [must be actually children engaged in sexual acts --real or simulated-- or shows genitalia in a very sexual way] The real problem for you is STATE law. Under the Supreme Court's Miller case, local standards apply.

                                            Bottom line, consult a lawyer. Further warning: even if a lawyer gives you sound advice, it doesn't take much for a particularly zealous district attorney to persuade the increasingly conservative courts to "interpret" obscenity in such a way that it gets you thrown in the slammer.

                                            Some states are more hardcore, in terms of prosecution, than others.

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                                              • topal
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                                                • Jan 2002
                                                • 606
                                                #62
                                                its up to where do you live in..
                                                if you are in russia NP

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                                                  • mike503
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                                                    • May 2002
                                                    • 2243
                                                    #63
                                                    Originally posted by topal
                                                    its up to where do you live in..
                                                    if you are in russia NP
                                                    shit, in russia anything is legal. actual child porn (even girls at 9 years old) is legal.

                                                    this wasn't the right board to be asking my question in. everyone here is concerned in regards to the porn industry. as pipecrew said, there are plenty of sites out there just like mine where people post their pictures (and a large portion of them are under 18) - right now i am scrubbing my site to get rid of the under-18 very risque photos, and flagging possible issues for when i talk to ASCAP and a lawyer.

                                                    inside of the definition for usc 18 sec 2256 it talks about "sexually explicit conduct" either actual or simulated - i've ensured that none of the under-18 pics on my site are looking that way at all. the rest is up to someone's definition of "simulated acts" - someone could say just by a girl posing showing her stomach, that is porn.

                                                    this is the grey area i will visit with people who know what they're talking about.
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                                                      • eroswebmaster
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                                                        • Jul 2001
                                                        • 20295
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by G Sharp
                                                        If there's no nudity and no sexual conduct, maybe you avoid federal anti-child porn laws [must be actually children engaged in sexual acts --real or simulated-- or shows genitalia in a very sexual way]
                                                        Sorry G Sharp but your response is not too sharp.

                                                        Some of these things you mentioned can get you busted for cp, nudity is not necessarily one of them...look up Jock Sturges.

                                                        Also to be cp the minor does not have to be undressed or nude.

                                                        One case in point a man videotaped young girls in leotards at a dance/gymnastics recital but maintained focus on the genital area.

                                                        The young girls were clothed, but centering on the genital area changed the context of his video from that of just a simple home video tape to cp.

                                                        He could have by all rights videotaped the young girls completely nude avoiding the focus being maintained on the genital area and could have escaped prosecution.

                                                        Anyway to whoever started this thread...you have to consider the context of the situation. That is established by your business, and the sites you run and the sponsors you promote and of course the pics themselves.

                                                        Many posters have given you every reason to not run a site like this the key factor being lack of 2557 info...model release, parental authorization etc.

                                                        If you can't decide at this point what is the right thing to do then a lawyer isn't going to be of much use to you either...you've pretty much made up your mind what you want to do.
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                                                          • dipshit moron retard
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                                                            #65
                                                            when they're giving you a hardon

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                                                              • dipshit moron retard
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                                                                #66
                                                                woops did i say that

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                                                                  • kmanrox
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                                                                    • Oct 2001
                                                                    • 29295
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by eroswebmaster


                                                                    Sorry G Sharp but your response is not too sharp.
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                                                                      • kmanrox
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                                                                        • 29295
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Originally posted by dipshit moron retard
                                                                        when they're giving you a hardon
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                                                                          • miss^behaving
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                                                                            #69
                                                                            As a parent of two teenage girls i agree wholeheartedly with UnseenWorld. There is a place in "legitimate art" for the display of nude or semi nude bodies of all ages....but to use suggestive images of underage people ...male or female anywhere in the adult industry is WRONG. You may not see it that way...but unfortunately (for you at least) the the law does.
                                                                            and your age (or lack of) doesnt hold water in the eyes of the law either


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                                                                              • mike503
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                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by miss^behaving
                                                                                As a parent of two teenage girls i agree wholeheartedly with UnseenWorld. There is a place in "legitimate art" for the display of nude or semi nude bodies of all ages....but to use suggestive images of underage people ...male or female anywhere in the adult industry is WRONG. You may not see it that way...but unfortunately (for you at least) the the law does.
                                                                                and your age (or lack of) doesnt hold water in the eyes of the law either


                                                                                I hope you sleep well tonight



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                                                                                please note you mentioned "adult industry" - this site is not in the adult industry. my original post must have confused people, it's original intent was just to get names of people, groups or resources that i can look up and get information from only.
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                                                                                  • Kat - Fast
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                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Mike503 - if you are starting to wonder about what you are doing - then you are already crossing the line - stop right there and re-evaluate what you are trying to acheive.

                                                                                    All the self righteous moralists - shut the fuck up.

                                                                                    Unseen - you are spot on - words are bandied around

                                                                                    sex offender (not =) pedophile A rapist is a sex offender but not a pedophile. I abhor people who sexually abuse prepubescent children (the actual pedophile according to abnormal psychology). Someone who has sex with a 17 year old girl (knowingly) is breaking the law (age of consent varying from country to country and place to place). Now, legislators can pass a law saying white is black, but that doesn't make white black. I'm just a defender of the language here. I don't think people should boff children, but I do think words should not be polluted by stretching their definitions to the breaking point. A person is not a "child" the day before their birthday and then an "adult" on their birthday except in the eyes of the law. That would be absurd except as a legal construction.

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                                                                                      • mike503
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                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by Kat
                                                                                        Mike503 - if you are starting to wonder about what you are doing - then you are already crossing the line - stop right there and re-evaluate what you are trying to acheive.

                                                                                        All the self righteous moralists - shut the fuck up.
                                                                                        which is exactly my point. a couple days ago i got some pics in that weren't nude, but were definately too close to being nude for my tastes. i asked another's opinion and he concurred. so from there, i wanted to get a concrete definition to work off of.
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                                                                                          • foe
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                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by mike503


                                                                                            shit, in russia anything is legal. actual child porn (even girls at 9 years old) is legal.

                                                                                            this wasn't the right board to be asking my question in. everyone here is concerned in regards to the porn industry. as pipecrew said, there are plenty of sites out there just like mine where people post their pictures (and a large portion of them are under 18) - right now i am scrubbing my site to get rid of the under-18 very risque photos, and flagging possible issues for when i talk to ASCAP and a lawyer.

                                                                                            inside of the definition for usc 18 sec 2256 it talks about "sexually explicit conduct" either actual or simulated - i've ensured that none of the under-18 pics on my site are looking that way at all. the rest is up to someone's definition of "simulated acts" - someone could say just by a girl posing showing her stomach, that is porn.

                                                                                            this is the grey area i will visit with people who know what they're talking about.
                                                                                            Not true, In russia they still have laws which are pretty similar concidering pedophilia/concent the law enforcement may not have the power to enfore them and may be bribable but the laws are still there

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                                                                                              • Pete
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                                                                                                  • RATBOY
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                                                                                                    Dude, seriously. TAKE THE SITE DOWN. At least until you make some serious changes to it. Some 40 year old is going to see his daughter on your site and call the cops on you. First change: use a submit page on your website that you have to (under penalty of some sort) affirm that you are over 18 years of age. Just a suggestion. I know, I know, they'll probably lie anyway. But it is at least something to tell the jury before they send you off ANYWAY.

                                                                                                    Oh, yeah. One more thing. If I had a kid and I saw you even look at him/her I'd take you out and not even think twice about it. Fuck you. Hell, I'd like to beat your ass just for the fun of it just for the sake of those poor kids out there that apparently think it's the cool thing to show off thier asses to men who should be in mental institutes or medication or some shit. Yeah asshole.

                                                                                                    I can't believe how stupid you have to be to even ASK that kind of question in here. How hard is it to understand??? Yeah, I saw your site. If I were a pedophile I would go straight to your website all the time. It LOOKS like you enjoy this shit. Why would you even let 16 year olds post pics in a tight outfit? CAUSE YOU LIKE IT. You make me want to vomit.

                                                                                                    Do us all a favor. Grow up yourself because you act younger than some of those girls on your site.

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                                                                                                      • dipshit moron retard
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                                                                                                        hahha ratboy you're the biggest faggot ever.

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                                                                                                          • RATBOY
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                                                                                                            Oh? And why's that? Cause i don't drool over pics of 13 year olds cupping thier breasts for the camera? Fine by me. At least that's LEGAL. Fucking retard.

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                                                                                                              • UnseenWorld
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                                                                                                                #78
                                                                                                                Originally posted by ADIDAS

                                                                                                                Having sex with a minor does make you a pedophile, even if she is one day short of 18!

                                                                                                                The law is there.
                                                                                                                You've told me how one becomes a sex-offender in California, but once again you failed to provide evidence that it makes you a "pedophile" (a word with a meaning). You are describing statutory rape (rape in a legal sense), not pedophilia.
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                                                                                                                  • UnseenWorld
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                                                                                                                    Originally posted by RATBOY
                                                                                                                    Dude, seriously. TAKE THE SITE DOWN. At least until you make some serious changes to it. Some 40 year old is going to see his daughter on your site and call the cops on you. First change: use a submit page on your website that you have to (under penalty of some sort) affirm that you are over 18 years of age. Just a suggestion. I know, I know, they'll probably lie anyway. But it is at least something to tell the jury before they send you off ANYWAY.

                                                                                                                    Oh, yeah. One more thing. If I had a kid and I saw you even look at him/her I'd take you out and not even think twice about it. Fuck you. Hell, I'd like to beat your ass just for the fun of it just for the sake of those poor kids out there that apparently think it's the cool thing to show off thier asses to men who should be in mental institutes or medication or some shit. Yeah asshole.

                                                                                                                    I can't believe how stupid you have to be to even ASK that kind of question in here. How hard is it to understand??? Yeah, I saw your site. If I were a pedophile I would go straight to your website all the time. It LOOKS like you enjoy this shit. Why would you even let 16 year olds post pics in a tight outfit? CAUSE YOU LIKE IT. You make me want to vomit.

                                                                                                                    Do us all a favor. Grow up yourself because you act younger than some of those girls on your site.
                                                                                                                    Even this is inadequate if you operate in the United States. You need (or, as is more often the case, the producer at least must have...and this is a good reason for using established responsible producers) documentary evidence of age (18 or older) accepable under Federal Law (Title 18 USC §2257) and a release signed by the model giving permission for the intended use. Without BOTH of those, you're way out on a legal limb.

                                                                                                                    Without the age documents, you're risking a CP prosecution, without the release you're exposed to all kinds of tort actions (invasion of privacy, defamation, to name two biggies).
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                                                                                                                      • RATBOY
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                                                                                                                        Originally posted by UnseenWorld


                                                                                                                        Even this is inadequate if you operate in the United States. You need (or, as is more often the case, the producer at least must have...and this is a good reason for using established responsible producers) documentary evidence of age (18 or older) accepable under Federal Law (Title 18 USC §2257) and a release signed by the model giving permission for the intended use. Without BOTH of those, you're way out on a legal limb.

                                                                                                                        Without the age documents, you're risking a CP prosecution, without the release you're exposed to all kinds of tort actions (invasion of privacy, defamation, to name two biggies).
                                                                                                                        Ya, like I said, the jury would send him away ANYWAY. My point was, man he has like no effort to dissuade minors from posting pics aside from his own personal screening of pics. My God, man! Make some sort of effort!

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                                                                                                                          • mike503
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                                                                                                                            i'm deciding to stop posting pics of people under 18 until i do talk with ascap/lawyer. i have noticed hotornot now only allows people who (at least claim to be) 18, however huge sites like http://facethejury.com are still accepting 16+.

                                                                                                                            again, i feel dumb posting to this forum because everyone here is in the adult industry and does not even think of posting anything under 18. but i'll play it safe than sorry.
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                                                                                                                              • UnseenWorld
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                                                                                                                                Originally posted by mike503
                                                                                                                                i'm deciding to stop posting pics of people under 18 until i do talk with ascap/lawyer. i have noticed hotornot now only allows people who (at least claim to be) 18, however huge sites like http://facethejury.com are still accepting 16+.

                                                                                                                                again, i feel dumb posting to this forum because everyone here is in the adult industry and does not even think of posting anything under 18. but i'll play it safe than sorry.
                                                                                                                                I'd also advise against running a site that posts submitted photos, unless you can get the legally-required documentation (age ID and release).
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                                                                                                                                  • chodadog
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                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by UnseenWorld


                                                                                                                                    I'd also advise against running a site that posts submitted photos, unless you can get the legally-required documentation (age ID and release).
                                                                                                                                    Technically, i guess that's what you'd need to keep a pic post site legal.. but, does that mean that all those large sites (facethejury.com, ratemypicture.com etc) are technically illegal too?

                                                                                                                                    Just curious
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                                                                                                                                      • mike503
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                                                                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                                                                        • 2243
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by chodadog


                                                                                                                                        Technically, i guess that's what you'd need to keep a pic post site legal.. but, does that mean that all those large sites (facethejury.com, ratemypicture.com etc) are technically illegal too?

                                                                                                                                        Just curious
                                                                                                                                        exactly my point. they've been around a while. i'm sure a red flag would have been raised by now. maybe i just have to change my screening to be more sensative to under 18. it's not illegal to have pics of people who are under 18... it sounds like the law is there to make sure there's no pics of people under 18 in sexually suggestive poses and such. this is why i am asking a lawyer. they can do all that legal-mumbo-jumbo translation into normal terms.
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                                                                                                                                          • Mr.Fiction
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                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2002
                                                                                                                                            • 9484
                                                                                                                                            #85
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by UnseenWorld


                                                                                                                                            I'd also advise against running a site that posts submitted photos, unless you can get the legally-required documentation (age ID and release).
                                                                                                                                            I disagree with this. Ofoto (Kodak), Yahoo, About.com, and a million other big mainstream sites run pic post type sites. There is only certain content that is subject to 2257, and even many solo soft nude pictures aren't subject to it, from what I've read.

                                                                                                                                            This guy is right, he asked this question in the wrong place. He's getting answers from a bunch of paranoid, even if rightfully paranoid, adult webmasters, when he's not even running a porn site.

                                                                                                                                            Dude, talk to a laywer and they will set you straight. Much of what you are reading in this thread has nothing to do with you.

                                                                                                                                            Some of the people here need to lighten up and look at what is going on in the real world. Click on a few links, check out yahoo or HotorNot.com or some other site that isn't a porn site. It's a big big world out there.

                                                                                                                                            It's one thing to smack the guy down for posting underage girls in bikinis, now you've moved on to the level of near paranoia.
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                                                                                                                                              • xxxChamp
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                                                                                                                                                • May 2002
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                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Equinox
                                                                                                                                                Young girls showing any kind of skin shall not be shown online.
                                                                                                                                                agree... as simpel as that

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                                                                                                                                                  • justined
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                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2001
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                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    mike, it is an adult(porn) site. You have a (sponsor) link to a offering sexual adult content on there, that makes it an adult site.
                                                                                                                                                    Though sadly there are quite a few sites out there that do the same thing that pose as things like teen fan sites

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                                                                                                                                                      • mike503
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                                                                                                                                                        • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                        • 2243
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by justin
                                                                                                                                                        mike, it is an adult(porn) site. You have a (sponsor) link to a offering sexual adult content on there, that makes it an adult site.
                                                                                                                                                        Though sadly there are quite a few sites out there that do the same thing that pose as things like teen fan sites

                                                                                                                                                        J
                                                                                                                                                        ifriends is not only porn. that's one of the biggest draws, but there is plenty non-porn things to do there, including normal 1:1 chatting with people.
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                                                                                                                                                          • Brown Bear
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                                                                                                                                                            • May 2002
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                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Hey Mike503, your sites have way more hot chicks on it then hotornot.com

                                                                                                                                                            Also, your sites load faster than hotornot

                                                                                                                                                            You should get some advertising banners on them.

                                                                                                                                                            Like from advertising.com, doubleclick, or burstnet
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                                                                                                                                                              • mike503
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                                                                                                                                                                • May 2002
                                                                                                                                                                • 2243
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                everyone knows impression-based banners don't make shit. hotornot probably has a million impressions a day at least, and they only bring home probably $200 a week if that on banner ads. not worth it junking up my site's design for that.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • jreaka
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Mar 2002
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                                                                                                                                                                    #91
                                                                                                                                                                    that would cause attention.........legal or not you will feel some heat

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