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More Google bullshit regarding Teen Porn Concepts

07-25-2007, 07:11 AM

So, I submitted a few new ads on Adwords. Basic terms like porn review and I get this fucking harsh email. Rediculous since my site is almost all text and pretty tame compared to the sites that are running on the terms I submitted. This is getting pretty fucking lame with their Teen Porn Concepts bullshit.

"It has come to our attention that despite multiple disapprovals, you have
repeatedly submitted ads that violate our Editorial Guidelines and Content
Policies. Please know that if you submit these ads again, or continue to
run ads that violate our policies, we will be unable to run any of your
AdWords ads in the future.

We value the quality of our program highly. In order to create an
environment where our users can trust our advertisers and continue to
receive quality advertising, we ask that you cease submitting ads that
violate our guidelines.

For your account to remain active in the future, please make the following
changes to your ad text/site content:

Please remove any content from your ad text and/or site which implies
teen porn concepts. We do not permit ads that promote teen porn
concepts or pornography indicating that the models are underage. Examples
include, but are not limited to:

barely legal porn
cheerleader sex
L***** porn
school girl porn
school boy porn
teen photographs
teen porn
teen sex
teen xxx
twinks
young girls
young boys

Additionally, please do not open any new AdWords accounts. If you do, your
newly opened accounts will be suspended upon registration and your account
fee will not be refunded."
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07-25-2007, 07:31 AM

What's the problem? Those are the same rules on a lot of TGPs.
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07-25-2007, 07:47 AM

The problem is that nothing is illegal, I have reviews with a lot of sites that have Teen in the title. Also, don't you think Cheerleader Sex is a little rediculous? There are college and pro cheerleaders.

Originally posted by sortie

What's the problem? Those are the same rules on a lot of TGPs.
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07-25-2007, 09:58 PM

Those school and young words are not accepted anywhere ... It may seem BS for you, but they may end in a expensive lawsuits because of that ...

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07-25-2007, 10:14 PM

Originally posted by MrPinks

Examples
include, but are not limited to:

barely legal porn
cheerleader sex
L***** porn
school girl porn
school boy porn
teen photographs
teen porn
teen sex
teen xxx
twinks
young girls
young boys

If your ad had any of these terms - not good news. OK.. there may be a niche for teens, but not stuff indictating they may be young etc.

This is not new or restricted to Google - can think of a major host who will accept any legal adult sites, but not anything with "teen" or "cheerleader" and certainly not anything suggesting young. Can't remember now, but think a search engine used to delete all teen and cheerleader stuff years ago (in the days of manual submissions and instant addition to the engine - but these days have gone )
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07-25-2007, 10:32 PM

Google is so ignorant when it comes to adult. They assume anyone searching for "teen porn" must be a ped0file.

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07-25-2007, 10:55 PM

i got the same email, its their site though and they make the rules.

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07-25-2007, 11:53 PM

Originally posted by Cash

Those school and young words are not accepted anywhere ... It may seem BS for you, but they may end in a expensive lawsuits because of that ...

The problem is that list is just the tip of the iceberg. You can remove every reference to teen porn on your website and you'll still get disapproved if you promote say Tamed Teens from Perfect Gonzo even with a different name. Anything on a site you promote that indicates the model is a teen is frowned upon and will likely get your campaign shut down.

And it took me fucking weeks to get that out of google.

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07-26-2007, 12:30 AM

unfortunately that email means that 1 more ad you submit (or existing ad you edit) that violates the policy and you'll be banned.
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07-26-2007, 12:48 AM

Originally posted by MrPinks

The problem is that nothing is illegal, I have reviews with a lot of sites that have Teen in the title. Also, don't you think Cheerleader Sex is a little rediculous? There are college and pro cheerleaders.

The problem with teen is the teen years are mostly underage obviously and they dont want any part of it. I totally am with google on that a billion dollar company dont want any parts of possible underage promotions. Not saying you would do that they are just protecting themselves. Legal or not just because its legal don't meen its right.

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07-26-2007, 01:01 AM

i agree with mr pinks and it is fucking bullshit. many of the titles they complain about on a big vod for example are live in google for older more established vod's. in other words, their policies are not enforced across the board.

another tip is to remove any references to "camp" and stuff like that. if it hints or implies anything, then remove it.

i still think it is fucking bullshit. blocking teen concepts is fine but do it across the board.

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07-26-2007, 01:10 AM

Its google's business and they can accept whatever they want. It doesnt matter if its legal or not, if they make rules against it then follow the rules or get banned. Seems to me like they have clearly spelled this out for you.
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07-26-2007, 01:17 AM

Meh You have no choice but to comply really... there ads there choice on the guidelines.. I understand there POV, they are just watching there asses for the long run.

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07-26-2007, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by MrPinks

The problem is that nothing is illegal, I have reviews with a lot of sites that have Teen in the title. Also, don't you think Cheerleader Sex is a little rediculous? There are college and pro cheerleaders.

Do you HONESTLY think that the vast majoirty of guys looking for "cheerleader porn" are interested in COLLEGE or NFL cheerleaders?
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07-26-2007, 07:51 AM

No, but they sure as shit might not be looking for anything illegal either. Hell, Playboy Cash used to have a Cheerleader site and I'm not sure if they still do. I'm sure big name sites like Video Box have lots of cheerleader videos. I can point out at least one and it's 100% legal. For the record, my site is 100% legal and we are very strict. For those who might be implying that something is wrong, all I have to say is your barking up the wrong fucking tree and go start some shit somewhere else. Know the facts before your post some shit. I review sites and some of them have teen in the title, such as Tamed Teens. I do not control the titles of the sites I review nor do I agree with all of them. I can understand some of Google's policy but shit don't just pick a couple of sites to target, do it to everyone or don't even bother.

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Do you HONESTLY think that the vast majoirty of guys looking for "cheerleader porn" are interested in COLLEGE or NFL cheerleaders?
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07-26-2007, 07:52 AM

young girls
young boys

will get you in trouble with just about anyone.
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07-26-2007, 07:54 AM

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07-26-2007, 07:55 AM

Do you just assume Larry Flint and Hustler are doing something wrong with the title "Barely Legal"? I did not target this keyword or submit and ad with this keyword but I do have a review for their site. You fucking assumptions really piss me off.

Originally posted by GreyWolf

If your ad had any of these terms - not good news. OK.. there may be a niche for teens, but not stuff indictating they may be young etc.

This is not new or restricted to Google - can think of a major host who will accept any legal adult sites, but not anything with "teen" or "cheerleader" and certainly not anything suggesting young. Can't remember now, but think a search engine used to delete all teen and cheerleader stuff years ago (in the days of manual submissions and instant addition to the engine - but these days have gone )
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07-26-2007, 07:57 AM

For anyone assuming that I submitted ads with those keywords, you are simply wrong.

"barely legal porn
cheerleader sex
L***** porn
school girl porn
school boy porn
teen photographs
teen porn
teen sex
teen xxx
twinks
young girls
young boys"

Originally posted by A1R3K

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07-26-2007, 08:02 AM

Let me ask you this, do you feel bad about promoting PimpRoll in your sig? Concerned about people looking for cheerleaders? Then you might want to reconsider promoting PimpRoll because of this link

Not to say anything negative about PimpRoll but you should think about what you are saying and what you are actually doing.

Originally posted by GatorB

Do you HONESTLY think that the vast majoirty of guys looking for "cheerleader porn" are interested in COLLEGE or NFL cheerleaders?
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07-26-2007, 08:08 AM

Re-read the email, especially this part "Examples
include, but are not limited to:" Do you understand the term "Not Limited to"?

Originally posted by pornopete

Everybody's wrong except for you eh? The email says that you are using inapproriate terms, what are the terms?
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07-26-2007, 08:12 AM

Originally posted by MrPinks

For anyone assuming that I submitted ads with those keywords, you are simply wrong.

"barely legal porn
cheerleader sex
L***** porn
school girl porn
school boy porn
teen photographs
teen porn
teen sex
teen xxx
twinks
young girls
young boys"

ahhh my apologies. the post reads as if those are the terms that google found on your sites causing them to disapprove the ads. my bad.
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07-26-2007, 08:14 AM

Trust me if they shut you down you won't get another account.. it's craaaazy how militant they are.

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07-26-2007, 08:15 AM

Here are the terms submitted:

adult site review
porn site review
porn review
best porn
the best porn
the best porn sites
best porn sites
best porn site
the best porn site
adult review

and the text for my ad:

Mr. Pink's Porn Reviews
your premier guide to adult sites
Honest, In-depth adult site reviews

Now that you have the facts, you can compare them to my site and tell my EXACTLY wtf am I doing wrong!
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07-26-2007, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by MrPinks

Here are the terms submitted:

adult site review
porn site review
porn review
best porn
the best porn
the best porn sites
best porn sites
best porn site
the best porn site
adult review

and the text for my ad:

Mr. Pink's Porn Reviews
your premier guide to adult sites
Honest, In-depth adult site reviews

Now that you have the facts, you can compare them to my site and tell my EXACTLY wtf am I doing wrong!

It seems hard to get a decent ad for an adult site on adwords these days. I'm running into the same problems.
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07-26-2007, 08:19 AM

Thanks for the apology and thanks for taking a moment to re-read the actual email. I didn't do anything wrong. The the thread was to point out the absurdness of Google's policy and how they are unfair in allowing some sites to bid on terms yet slam other site's for trying to bid on those terms.

I've been in this business for quite a few years now. I hope you don't think I'm that stupid that I would bid on those fucked up terms.

Originally posted by A1R3K

ahhh my apologies. the post reads as if those are the terms that google found on your sites causing them to disapprove the ads. my bad.
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07-26-2007, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by MrPinks

Let me ask you this, do you feel bad about promoting PimpRoll in your sig? Concerned about people looking for cheerleaders? Then you might want to reconsider promoting PimpRoll because of this link

Not to say anything negative about PimpRoll but you should think about what you are saying and what you are actually doing.

Yes, adwords is tough on it's use of "teen". If your landing page has "teen" on it, in text or graphics, you WILL be declined. It's that simple.

Why dont you make a landing page that is 100% clear of any such thing, and make sure your ad is completely clean too.

If this is your landing page for example: http://www.mrpinks.com/entrance.html

It violates their teen porn concepts rule.

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07-26-2007, 08:29 AM

Your keywords and ad seem ok. Therefore it's your landing page.

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07-26-2007, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by PR_Tom

Your keywords and ad seem ok. Therefore it's your landing page.

Yeah that's the only thing that could potentially make sense. What the landing page?

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07-26-2007, 09:04 AM

http://www.mrpinks.com/entrance.html

I am thinking about creating a new landing page on another domain such as mrpinkspornreviews.com but I'm a little nervous now because if I fuck with my account, they might cancel my account. Plus, won't they follow through the landing page to the main page if I link to it?

I'm sure as shit what they are picking up is my review of Barely Legal in my Pink's Picks section. There might be a couple of other legal teen sites I reviewed they might be picking up words on too. It's very hard to get new ads with a review site because of the large amount of text throughout the site.

At this point, I'm trying to see how my site does without my ads that were approved awhile back. Need to have other traffic options other than relying on Google.

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Yeah that's the only thing that could potentially make sense. What the landing page?
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07-26-2007, 09:07 AM

"Bullshit" or not, they're a business and can do whatever they want. Don't do business with them if you don't want to. Fact is, "teen" is conveniently used to mean 18 or 19, when the majority of "teen" ages are legally underaged (13, 14, 15, 16, 17). Maybe not all teen sites as for pedophiles, but enough of them are. Just because the girl is 18 while she looks 14 and is officially legal doesn't mean you can expect a company to just go along with it. If I was deciding that for Google, I'd do the exact same. You have an international reputation to maintain. The risk of being associated with technically legal but obviously morally questionable content is clearly not worth it. Do you think the surfer gets off any differently knowing the girl is actually 18? From the surfer's perspective, it's the look that counts, and it's that very look that Google would rather distance themselves from, and rightfully so.

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07-26-2007, 09:21 AM

Mr Pink, there are a NUMBER of words in the site lists on the left they would decline for. Such as ANYTHING with "teen" in it. ANYTHING with "girl" in it.

IMHO, you should link to your warning page from your ad. I dont see how they would have a problem with it, although one never knows. Why dont you call them and ask for some guidance? Generally they aren't too eager to do that due to volume, but if you were to email them or call and ask for someone to pre-review your warning page so that you dont get banned, it is a good faith effort to comply at the very least.

Oh, and it's the landing page that needs to comply, not usually deeper, but who could say for 100%. For SURE the landing page must be perfect though.

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07-26-2007, 01:50 PM

I would contact them right away. If you show the effort to work with them your account should be ok. They will help you make the modifications necessary to keep your campaigns active.

I had a mature/granny hub declined for teen porn concept earlier in the year. I couldn't find a single word on there black list on the site. I conceded and ran it elsewhere as the time it was taking to sort the issue out wasn't worth it. They have editorial inconsistencies but thats a given.

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07-26-2007, 02:00 PM

you even submitted 'l.olita porn' ... ?????????????
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07-26-2007, 02:02 PM

I predict you will lose your account because you just don't seem to get it.

It's their site, it's their rules...stop promoting teens.

But you will try to figure a way around it, but you won't.
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07-26-2007, 02:05 PM

They often check secondary pages linked to the landing page so simply linking to a warning page or page without the teen like terms is not recommended. You basically will have to either filter your entire site in real time for teen type keywords and site reviews or build a separate site either at the same or different domain.
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07-26-2007, 02:35 PM

Re-read the email and don't jump to assumptions. I did not submit those words. Re-read the fucking email.

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you even submitted 'l.olita porn' ... ?????????????
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07-26-2007, 02:37 PM

And who the fuck are you? I don't seem to get it??? Half of the people that read this thread "don't get it". I'm promoting the same "teen" sites every other review site and their brother is.

Originally posted by sortie

I predict you will lose your account because you just don't seem to get it.

It's their site, it's their rules...stop promoting teens.

But you will try to figure a way around it, but you won't.
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07-26-2007, 02:41 PM

Just to clear this up one more time for those that are too dense to understand. I did not submit those keywords in Google's email. Re-read the email. Those are EXAMPLES.

(Direct from their email)
Examples include, but are not limited to:

barely legal porn
cheerleader sex
L***** porn
school girl porn
school boy porn
teen photographs
teen porn
teen sex
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07-26-2007, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by A1R3K

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07-26-2007, 03:22 PM

i mean the rule, not You ;)

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07-26-2007, 04:08 PM

Amazing how many people didn't read this thread before posting.
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07-26-2007, 05:45 PM

MrPink, Someone at Google seems to be screwing up. They should be giving you a reason each time they disapprove your ad. Calling to complain will do a lot for you usually, but it won't solve the "teen porn concepts" issue.

I don't see anything wrong with your ads at all. But with adult terms, they don't scrutinize the ad copy so much as they do the content of your site. It seems that they are picking up on the "barely legal" and "nubiles" links on your site. I think the policy on "teen porn concepts" is silly, but if you want to continue using google, you're going to have to remove those links and the "teens 18-21" category. Yahoo and MSN might be a better alternative for you.

I think this is silliness on Google's part. In the adult industry the term "teen" has long been established as referring to models aged "18 to 24". There can't be many websites out there that won't fall foul of this guideline. Every Directory/TGP/Thumbs/Review site has a "teen" category.

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07-26-2007, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by MrPinks

The problem is that nothing is illegal, I have reviews with a lot of sites that have Teen in the title. Also, don't you think Cheerleader Sex is a little rediculous? There are college and pro cheerleaders.

They are a private company that can do what they like with their TOS.

Much like the, the clubs that have a dress code. Or "No shirt. No Shoes. No Service". Or "We reserve the right to refuse service".

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07-26-2007, 07:56 PM

when i was checking some keywords, i realized a keyword like "13-16 teen" or "13-18 teen" something, we earn money from people mostly have no brain, so it mite be result of what google trying to do is.

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07-26-2007, 08:54 PM

Google will adjust their terms to make *them* feel good from a liability perspective. Just because those words are legal doesn't mean they have to support them in their engine. It's their fire truck so it's their rules if you want to sound the siren.
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07-26-2007, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by MrPinks

http://www.mrpinks.com/entrance.html

After a quick glance I wonder if the link terms on your left: teen + girls, girl on girl, barely legal got flagged. Maybe google checks keyword density for such terms and comes up with a score. And this landing page was too high for them.

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