My email to Currently Sober with his comments and my replies.
Thanks for the comments, this is exactly what I need. Another POV.
Hopefully will get a few more.
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OK, well its obviously not finished, because it kinda drifts off into your personal notes at the end, but thats fine. You never said it was the finished article, so fair enough. I am also sure that you are aware that there are a few grammatical errors, but nothing a good proof read wont fix...
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Yes not finished and the end wasn't touched. When the publisher offered me the deal I lost interest, not I've got some time will finish it. Probably during the winter, when it's cold. Grammar never was my strong point. LOL
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I also understand that it is aimed at 1st time shooters (Total Noobs) and as such, I cant really find anything wrong with it.
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Correct, experienced shooters have built there way of working over years and are not likely to change.
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I'd have to say that a lot of the sections are things that you have posted here on GFY before, such as the 27 poses, and the advice on the girls periods etc, but thats OK cause most of the people who would be reading it, would be unaware of GFY, and therefore its new to them...
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Yes it's articles I've posted over the years, I've probably shared what I know already.
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In essence, its not GREAT... But its not terrible either. It does however, IMHO, need a lot more 'Meat' in it, before its saleable...
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Yes it needs beefing up without going on and on.
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Most of the stuff you discuss I know anyway, but only due to my own 20+ years of shooting experience. However, with that said, its still stuff that I LEARNED OVER TIME... and therefore would have been handy to have all in one place, for a beginner...
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Hopefully this will save a few making the same mistakes we made. Warn them first. LOL
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Theres a couple of things I DON'T agree with, (Regarding the talking to the model section) but thats not down to protocol. Just not the way I would do them - But then I am not you, and what you could say, as a friendly looking older guy with a camera (Uncle Paul?) simply would not work for me...
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I could simply get away with it, my strong point was my charm in the shoot and being able to say things others couldn't Even as a 40 year old I would say things to a girl that she would laugh at or take as flattery. If others said it she would walk out.
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"I'm actually a pervert and there's no film in the camera.?
When shooting a close up of a pussy. "Reminds me it's lunch time soon." Or just zoom in, look over the camera and say "Smile."
Mason got away with it in a different way, Colby was utter charm and Jack Harrison used to put on his foreign accent and flirt a lot. It was whether the girl really believed she wasn't safe or you were joking to make the work go better.
However it needs to be written better to explan it better. Being business like to a model, like you would to a secretary isn't going to work. IMO the girl needs to have her best coaxed out of her. XXX is a prime example of a shooter who can barely keep the girl awake or in the room.
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I also didn't like the sub heading of "Everything is up for grabs at a casting" - To me, that just sounds really pervy...
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Will rephrase that. Wanted to express the shooter should have no pre conceived ideas of what will happen on a casting. The next Miss World might turn up or someone who looks more like her Dad. LOL Thanks will reword it.
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You include a simple form for the model to fill in - Pre Shoot - But don't include a sample model release and 2257 forms that can be printed off and used by the photographer... Perhaps add them in?
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Yes.
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Finally, you list you 'Order' of things on the day of the shoot, which ends up with "paperwork' Then 'Pay the model'... While you are used to doing it this way, I would recommend that the paperwork (IDs Model Releases, HIV Test Scans etc) be done BEFORE you shoot...
I agree to the paying at the end, cause if you give them the money before you shoot, they loose incentive, however, for a new guy, it would make sense to get the paperwork done at the start. Just incase she doesn't have her IDs etc.... Cause if she doesn't, she will still want paying, and you wont wanna pay her, cause you cant guarantee you can sell it legally. But I am not trying to tell you how to suck eggs. I'm sure you know that already. I'm just suggesting that you tell a newbie to do it that way round.
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We check IDs and flat bed scan them today or shoot them laying on the floor, then at the start of every scene we shoot the model holding her IDs. HIV tests are also checked before the shoot. Payment at the end, which might be 20 minutes after we start or the end of the day. That gives them incentive. Payment for the shoot is discussed with the girl at the time of booking. Need to make all that clearer.
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Hope you find the above to be constructive advice and opinions....
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Yes. Exactly what I needed.
This was very helpful. After some thought on the communication part I think it needs rewriting.
I need to get it right. I was able to get away with a lot of flirting, girls enjoy being flattered, when naked and doing sexy things they like it to be appreciated. What they don't like is it done in a way that scares or upsets them. A shooter who wants to be good needs, to develop his charm and work with models using it. Once it upsets the model, the day is over.