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  • D Ghost
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    • May 2006
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    #1

    Man who SFPD shot DID have gun...

    The person who shot the video claims to have spotted in the footage a silver handgun, which was later picked up by someone who disappeared into the crowd. Updated: The gun can be seen 15 seconds into the video, which is marked in the updated video, via SF Citizen. Update: ABC7 reports that SFPD recovered the gun from the person who took it from the scene, via SFist commenter, Mike.
    They also tested his hands positive for gunshot residue.



    http://sfist.com/2011/07/17/demonstr...16th_and_m.php

    Silver gun can also be seen in this video: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=8260286


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    Harding, a Seattle resident, was a person of interest in a shooting in that city last week that killed a 19-year-old pregnant woman and injured three other people, police said.
    He was on parole in Washington State after serving part of a 22-month sentence for attempting to promote the prostitution of a 14-year-old girl, and was in violation of his parole by being in San Francisco, according to police.

    ...investigators said tests found gun residue on 19-year-old Kenneth Harding's hand, indicating he fired the first shot at officers Saturday.

    Police Chief Greg Suhr said the Seattle man fired the first shot at the officers, who shot back about nine times. Harding was pronounced dead after the chase in the Bayview neighborhood that began when officers approached him for not paying his fare on a light-rail train.

    Harding was on parole for promoting prostitution in Washington state and was a person of interest in a fatal shooting in Seattle last week, authorities said.
  • brassmonkey
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    #2
    Originally posted by DJ The Kid
    They also tested his hands positive for gunshot residue.



    http://sfist.com/2011/07/17/demonstr...16th_and_m.php

    Silver gun can also be seen in this video: http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/video?id=8260286


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    he must have been a stretch armstrong to grab that gun and shoot police
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    • D Ghost
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      #3
      Originally posted by brassmonkey
      he must have been a stretch armstrong to grab that gun and shoot police
      Uh... obviously the gun went flying out of his hand when he got shot and fell...

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      • brassmonkey
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        #4
        Originally posted by DJ The Kid
        Uh... obviously the gun went flying out of his hand when he got shot and fell...
        you were there? gfy c.s.i. omg the police didnt see it fly? that's their main concern is to secure a deadly weapon.
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        • D Ghost
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          #5
          Originally posted by brassmonkey
          you were there? gfy c.s.i. omg the police didnt see it fly? that's their main concern is to secure a deadly weapon.
          You are telling me that Where this incident occurred, there just * happened * to be a gun chilling there for no reason? Because you know, I see random guns just laying in the street everywhere I go in SF

          Yep, this gun laying there must have been a coincidence lol... no biggie.

          And... "They also tested his hands positive for gunshot residue."
          Last edited by D Ghost; 07-20-2011, 08:15 PM.

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          • brassmonkey
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            #6
            Originally posted by DJ The Kid
            You are telling me that Where this incident occurred, there just * happened * to be a gun chilling there for no reason? Because you know, I see random guns just laying in the street everywhere I go in SF

            Yep, this gun laying there must have been a coincidence lol... no biggie.

            And... "They also tested his hands positive for gunshot residue."
            its assumed a gun you cant even really see what it is. could be a pop tart who the fuck knows? the people that were there maybe.
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            • blackmonsters
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              #7
              That could be the gun on the ground, the video is not that clear.
              I was listening for the reporter to say something about it but I don't think he did.

              That's really wild if that is the gun. An angry person could have picked it up and
              fired it.

              Not good if that's the gun and it took that long for cops to secure it.
              It would be a poor job to get shot at, then shoot the suspect and
              not find the gun while 100 people walk all around it.

              100 people there and none of them saw the gun on the ground?

              As for gun shot residue, hmmmmmmmmm, he was shot with a gun five times.
              That might just leave some residue.

              If he had a gun then it doesn't matter who fired first. He'd only have to brandish
              the gun to get shot.
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              • tical
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                #8
                He shot at police. Violated his parole by being in San Francisco... on parole for trying to turn a 14 year old into a prostitute. Also suspected of murdering a pregnant woman in Washington.

                Fuck him.

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                • Rochard
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                  #9
                  Why is this even a discussion? He was wanted in connection to a recent murder in Washington, was stupid enough to return to SF, stupid enough to attract the attention of police over bus fare, pulled a gun and fired at police, and then was shot dead. The gun is in the video, was picked up, police found out who grabbed it, and confiscated the gun.

                  At what point did we just assume police have done something wrong? This was a hardcore criminal, most likely a killer, and the gun was on the video that claims he was an "innocent kid"
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                  • Rochard
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                    #10
                    screen shot from the video...





                    Sure does look like a gun to me.
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                    • brassmonkey
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rochard
                      screen shot from the video...





                      Sure does look like a gun to me.
                      and the flew way over there when he was shot? must be a rubber gun. and since when is being a suspect automatic guilt??
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                      • baddog
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                        #12
                        The brassmonkey is new at trolling it seems

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                        • tical
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                          and the flew way over there when he was shot? must be a rubber gun. and since when is being a suspect automatic guilt??
                          Even if he was an honor roll student with 0 criminal history... shooting at police is enough to get you justifiably killed.
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                          • brassmonkey
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by baddog
                            The brassmonkey is new at trolling it seems
                            seeing parts of what happened and saying guilty. that's bullshit! now im a fucking troll
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                            • brassmonkey
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by tical
                              Even if he was an honor roll student with 0 criminal history... shooting at police is enough to get you justifiably killed.
                              where is the part where he was shooting at the cops? i didn't see that.
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                              • bean-aid
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                                #16
                                I thought he picked up a pink cell phone... right? The guy who picked up the gun picked up a pink cell phone first... the other photos nobody picked up.

                                Was it a gun or a cell phone? Point is police like to shoot bad people and they did. They shot him in the back, fiver times.

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                                • Rochard
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                  and the flew way over there when he was shot? must be a rubber gun. and since when is being a suspect automatic guilt??
                                  The gun didn't "fly" when he was shot. He fired at police, fled, was chased, and ditched the gun before he was shot. He ditched the gun as he was running.

                                  He was never really a suspect at anything. The kid got into an argument with a bus driver over fare, and the cops approached him.
                                  Herschel Savage
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                                  • brassmonkey
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Rochard
                                    The gun didn't "fly" when he was shot. He fired at police, fled, was chased, and ditched the gun before he was shot. He ditched the gun as he was running.

                                    He was never really a suspect at anything. The kid got into an argument with a bus driver over fare, and the cops approached him.
                                    so they shot him because they could. maybe their related to the cops in rampart division. "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig" -Obama
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                                    • Just Alex
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                      and the flew way over there when he was shot? must be a rubber gun. and since when is being a suspect automatic guilt??
                                      You are dumber than a fucking brick, yet you know just about anything about illegal mexicans and how they get on a welfare without valid ss number.

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                                      • Just Alex
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                                        #20
                                        Harding, a Seattle resident, was a person of interest in a shooting in that city last week that killed a 19-year-old pregnant woman and injured three other people, police said.
                                        He was on parole in Washington State after serving part of a 22-month sentence for attempting to promote the prostitution of a 14-year-old girl, and was in violation of his parole by being in San Francisco, according to police.
                                        Such an outstanding young black man. He must have been on his way to work or college.

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                                        • tical
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                          where is the part where he was shooting at the cops? i didn't see that.

                                          http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_1...nclick_check=1

                                          Suhr said Harding fired the first shot Saturday at two officers, who shot back about nine times. Harding was pronounced dead after the chase in the Bayview-Hunters Point area.
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                                          • brassmonkey
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Just Alex
                                            You are dumber than a fucking brick, yet you know just about anything about illegal mexicans and how they get on a welfare without valid ss number.
                                            your in the wrong thread we're talking about a shooting
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                                            • leg4
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                                              #23
                                              He shot at police. Violated his parole by being in San Francisco... on parole for trying to turn a 14 year old into a prostitute. Also suspected of murdering a pregnant woman in Washington.

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                                              • blackmonsters
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by leg4
                                                He shot at police. Violated his parole by being in San Francisco... on parole for trying to turn a 14 year old into a prostitute. Also suspected of murdering a pregnant woman in Washington.

                                                Fuck him.

                                                Originally posted by tical
                                                He shot at police. Violated his parole by being in San Francisco... on parole for trying to turn a 14 year old into a prostitute. Also suspected of murdering a pregnant woman in Washington.

                                                Fuck him.

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                                                • blackmonsters
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Just Alex
                                                  Such an outstanding young black man. He must have been on his way to work or college.
                                                  Did some black dude kick you in the ass this week or something.

                                                  Why can't the suspect just be a "shitty person"?
                                                  Why is it important to you that he be a "shitty black person"?
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                                                  • Mike Honcho
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                    Did some black dude kick you in the ass this week or something.

                                                    Why can't the suspect just be a "shitty person"?
                                                    Why is it important to you that he be a "shitty black person"?

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                                                    • brassmonkey
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Mike Honcho
                                                      that's a trap!
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                                                      • Rochard
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                        so they shot him because they could. maybe their related to the cops in rampart division. "You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig" -Obama
                                                        They didn't shoot him "because they could". They shot him because he shot first.
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                                                        • Just Alex
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                          Did some black dude kick you in the ass this week or something.

                                                          Why can't the suspect just be a "shitty person"?
                                                          Why is it important to you that he be a "shitty black person"?
                                                          You picked one word out of 17 and it happened to be black. Are you black or getting fucked by one?

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                                                          • blackmonsters
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Just Alex
                                                            You picked one word out of 17 and it happened to be black. Are you black or getting fucked by one?

                                                            Nope. I'm looking at all your combined rants over the last week.

                                                            Like this one :

                                                            http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1030796

                                                            Smoke a joint motherfucker and chill out.

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                                                            • Agent 488
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                                                              #31
                                                              they planted the gun on him after he was killed. usual cop tactic.

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                                                              • blackmonsters
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by Mike Honcho




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                                                                • Sly
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Agent 488
                                                                  they planted the gun on him after he was killed. usual cop tactic.
                                                                  Correction. They planted the gun within tossing range to create speculation and fun Internet message board discussions such as this.
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                                                                  • Just Alex
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                    Nope. I'm looking at all your combined rants over the last week.

                                                                    Like this one :

                                                                    http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1030796

                                                                    Smoke a joint motherfucker and chill out.

                                                                    And your point, black monsters? Im not allowed to ask? Oh shit, I used word black again.
                                                                    PS: I don't do drugs.

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                                                                    • Just Alex
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Agent 488
                                                                      they planted the gun on him after he was killed. usual cop tactic.
                                                                      Thats it. Thanks for helping us out.

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                                                                      • barcodes
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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by blackmonsters








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                                                                        • Va2k
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                                                                          #37
                                                                          A: Shoot at police,
                                                                          B: Die by the police!

                                                                          End of story! He deserved to die for that shit. IMHO

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                                                                          • JamesGw
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                                                                            #38
                                                                            That's what he gets for shooting at them.
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                                                                            • baddog
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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by blackmonsters
                                                                              As for gun shot residue, hmmmmmmmmm, he was shot with a gun five times.
                                                                              That might just leave some residue.
                                                                              That may rank as the dumbest thing I have read all month.

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                                                                              • seeandsee
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                                                                                it;s clearly a gun, when guy moves to the scene you can see it clear
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                                                                                • D Ghost
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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Looks like a GUN to me. And police...




                                                                                  Check the ABC Video link..

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                                                                                  • brassmonkey
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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by DJ The Kid
                                                                                    Looks like a GUN to me. And police...




                                                                                    Check the ABC Video link..

                                                                                    fuck the police!
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                                                                                    • D Ghost
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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Police said amateur video showed a .45-caliber pistol they believe was used by Harding. Investigators said they recovered what appears to be the same weapon after it disappeared from the scene.

                                                                                      San Francisco police also said an audio recording of Saturday's shooting indicates Harding fired the first shot.

                                                                                      Police said a man seen in a video took the pistol from the shooting scene. They said they've recovered the weapon but that he also took shell casings and a cellphone.

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                                                                                      • D Ghost
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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by brassmonkey
                                                                                        fuck the police!
                                                                                        Hey, I'm just as skeptical about police as the next guy. They do some shady shit sometimes. But this case, where I first heard about it I said "Great, another pointless killing by cops."

                                                                                        Then I started reading more about it. And think this case is different than the Oscar Grant where he was shot in the back while face down and handcuffed.

                                                                                        1. This guy was running away because they were approaching him about bus fare.
                                                                                        2. He didn't wanna get in trouble because he's a murder suspect (guilty obviously since he's running from the cops here for a simple bus fare inspection)
                                                                                        3. Shot back at the cops while running (because there is no way he wants to go back to prison)
                                                                                        4. He was probably able to throw the gun, then police shot him.
                                                                                        5. The police shot him back.
                                                                                        Last edited by D Ghost; 07-21-2011, 10:18 AM.

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                                                                                        • brassmonkey
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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by DJ The Kid
                                                                                          Hey, I'm just as skeptical about police as the next guy. They do some shady shit sometimes. But this case, where I first heard about it I said "great, another pointless killing by cops.

                                                                                          Then I started reading and looking around. I think this case is different than the Oscar Grant where he was shot in the back while face down and handcuffed.

                                                                                          This guy was running away and was probably able to throw the gun, if you look it's not that far of a throw, a 6 yr old could. And they shot him.
                                                                                          there's witnesses on the other side saying he was running with his hands in the air. how is a damn audio prove anything? anyway if he didnt live the wrong way maybe he would be alive. they didnt secure the scene because there was a ton of gangsters in their face and they were scare.
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                                                                                          • Just Alex
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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                            That may rank as the dumbest thing I have read all month.
                                                                                            Now why would you say that? Maybe he's a forensic expert and is on to something new.

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                                                                                              • baddog
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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Just Alex
                                                                                                Now why would you say that? Maybe he's a forensic expert and is on to something new.
                                                                                                I guess if they shot the guy at close range, in the hand, there could be some powder burn.

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                                                                                                • brassmonkey
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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                  I guess if they shot the guy at close range, in the hand, there could be some powder burn.
                                                                                                  correct depends on how close they were. im sure some security cameras have the full story.
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                                                                                                  • Just Alex
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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by baddog
                                                                                                    I guess if they shot the guy at close range, in the hand, there could be some powder burn.
                                                                                                    Right, and it absolutely impossible to differentiate if he was the one holding the gun or just jogging near by. I personally can't believe that this young outstanding citizen would even carry a gun. Its a police cuspiracy, my brava !!!

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