What Piracy does to morale...

You would actually be charged with a felony for that if it was in the USA.

Most of my customers are from the USA so I don't care about what happens across borders right now. They need to crack the fucking whip within the USA and it will trickle outwards eventually.

re read it again i didn't just say adapt or die

i gave you the model and the method.



just think a little bit.

Do explain how someone else sharing your full length videos to 10s of thousands of people is a model or method?

There are ways to use file sharing to your benefit, that doesn't make piracy okay. I like to convert better than 1:10,000 with stolen and/or full length videos being given away for free.

Thanks though.

i cant afford morale...

At least you're honest.

the model - is the put your shit on the vcr tape and sell it to them

understand why that model works/what problem it solved and you can understand what to do in this case


the method is design your content so you make money WHEN it is shared

WTF are you talking about?

VCR tapes????

Who's going to buy them? The freeloaders? The tube owners? The tooth fairy? Who?



I don't know what you're smoking, but that must be some good fucking shit.

when are going to stop running your yap and back up your brilliant ideas? didn't robbie give you a chance to prove your theories?

tell me what you need to design/produce this magic content that makes money when it's shared. i'll front you the money to have it shot and then you work your brilliant plan and prove to all the naysayers that file sharing in porn is a money maker for the producer. if you can't prove it's a moneymaker, a reasonable profit on the production costs, you pay me the money back and disappear from GFY forever.

Sorry, but I think it's hilarious how some people are co convinced that the government is going to ride in on a white horse and rescue the porn industry from piracy. Don't get me wrong, it would be great if they did, but it's probably not a good idea to hold your breath waiting for the cavalry. And even if they do, there's no telling what new forms of piracy or the like will emerge afterward.

In the meantime, I think these strategies are helpful.

1. Pay sites should put a greater emphasis on usability, convenience,and other types of added value which they provide. If the content is available elsewhere, sell them on something that is not.

2. When addressing the issue of piracy to the target market, do not ever appeal to their sympathy. Remember, this is an industry built upon the powers of seduction!! Seduce them. Nobody buys shit because they feel sorry for the seller. Period.

3.Another strategy is to appeal to their vanity. Here's an example of a closing that I have on a key landing page.

If you have somehow made it through these 10 galleries and over 2000 words of text without prematurely blowing your load, it’s safe to say that you appreciate the finer things in life and should therefore prefer to not waste your time trolling around the internet looking for crap alongside all the plebeians. You also need to buy a membership at one of these ten world class websites. Remember, nobody likes a cheap cunt.

I've used several successful variants of the 'nobody likes a cheap cunt' line and it really does work. Seems crazy, but it does.

4. Here's another from a page devoted to new porn stars.

The galleries and clips used on each of the Débutant pages are licensed from carefully selected sponsors. The content is meant to showcase the quality of each website and to serve as an extended preview of what is available for paid members. If you like what you see and want to see more, I suggest that you join one of the websites for at least a month, see what you think about the members only features, and decide whether or not you want to continue the membership. At the very least, a membership will help support the hard work and creative efforts which have been made to create such high quality content. Yours truly will also receive a portion of the membership cost and, trust me, it's very well deserved. There are a lot of crap sponsors out there to weed out, there are tons of girls who take their talents to Chatsworth every month, and choosing the best and hottest new porn stars and the best sponsors requires excellent taste and a lot of time. The advertisements below are for a few of the sponsors who consistently publish photos and video clips which feature the hottest new porn stars of the year as well as some of the hottest new erotic models. Have a look, check out all the added features available to members and enjoy.

It's direct, somewhat humorous (at least to NBA fans), and effective.

One more thing, shady cross sells or whatever the fuck it is or isn't that programs like or not like, what is it? Beecash? Veecash? Something like that. IMO, what they are doing is A MORE MANAGEABLE immediate threat. Those that have worked in sales are probably familiar with the "If someone has a good experience, they'll maybe tell a couple people. If they have a bad experience, they'll tell everyone" philosophy. If you believe that, as I do, programs like the above are chasing away current and future business.
Programs like 'Geecash' need to be boycotted, affiliates who support said programs need to be called out and openly criticized, and websites who accept their blood money in return for advertising need to tell them to take their money and shove it up their ass. Just my humble opinion.

i offered to show it to all of you guys if robbie agreed to put all his content in the publlic domain if he used it

he refused to that deal.


sure my fee is 5k + 10% of everything you make off what i show you.

you don't need to shoot content you can just change your existing content.

seriously what about this statement do you not understand.

I edited it to make it more like the real picture.

So when there are no sales or very few, then we react?

No good businessmen start to look at the alternatives now. The days of throwing tons of traffic at crap sites in the hope someone will buy are coming to an end. A sensible marketing policy would be to look at solutions now. For some that solution will be mainstream, for some it will be offline. But for those in online porn they have to start thinking of the solutions today.

Not when it's finally over. Then they won't have enough money left to effect a solution. I suspect for some with their blinkered thinking, they don't have the skills to adapt.

Agreed 101%. It's common to see the sponsors flamed. But what about the affiliates sending them traffic. This business has never thought much beyond it's next paycheck. Over the last 10 years the customers needs have been largely ignored. today you see the result.

It's not inconceivable that the whole industry of paid internet porn could go the way of the horse and buggy, the icebox, wooden wagon wheels, kerosene lamps and Borders Books & Music.

nobody really gives a fuck.. the pirates have won the war long long time ago...

thats why filesonic and oron do millions of dollars and the affiliates promoting them get paid 30 bucks for every 1000 downloads and make money more easily than promoting any adult sponsor...

You sometimes a horse and buggy and a few of the other things. Web cam will survive if that doesn't go free as well, but for mainstream sites the writing has been on the wll for a few years. Not just piracy, look at the traffic on the ajor Tubes. These are all potential customers, maybe some too young who will become customers, maybe a few in countries it's hard to bill. But in the majority millions of potential customers getting off for free every day.

Paul. I've had an idea

1) Spend more on content
2) Stop giving away free porn

What do you think?

Nice to see you back here after hiding out for being proven, again, to be a liar. Welcome back.

So nothing we didn't know.

It's obvious the customer isn't impresses with what we are selling, enough to spend money on it. This isn't surprising after the decade of producing the content online porn does. Spending more money isn't going to solve the problem. Manwin have tons of money and spend a lot. The problem is what they're getting for the money. It's not very good.

Twistys as well, I can now talk about them as they are owned by Manwin. Shap claims he was moving into the upper end of the market. Well the truth is different. His members area is full of content that would never get into the better end. Well if a site wants to compete with in the upper end, they need a shooter who can produce upper end content. The members area wasn't. The result is conversion and retention rates that suck. Some of their shooter were good single shot shooters. They can produce a few good shots, producing a set isn't so easy. You need a Micheal Ancher, Viv Thomas, Steve Hicks level shooter to play in that field.

The same goes for many other niches. Online porn misses the niche because of the belief it could "market" itself out of trouble. 2008 and beyond reveals the truth.

Video, a video in widescreen that insists on shooting the girl standing up for a long time, becomes a scenery shot. Not pornFor todays widescreen and wide monitors the framing has to be landscapes as much as possible.

Too late on the free content. But spending more to give away free content than is spent on keeping customers happy and retaining is stupid. And that's what this industry does. It's called online porn marketing.

Don't worry, I'm happily retired on the money I made when the going was good for porn. Guys like you are in trouble. Probably little to fall back on. In an industry in massive decline, facing being out of a job and with a CV that lists online porn sites, many that will of closed by the time you're looking for a job.

Post your CV and we can see if you're employable outside online porn.

Regarding Twistys, I think Tammy Sands and Dean have done great work over the past year. I'm not as familiar with Dean's stuff, but the content on VIP Area more than holds it own against Digital Desire. The latest Treat of The Month galleries (with Dani Daniels) did seem a little off, though. When I think 'Upper End', I think more along the lines of Andrew Blake, John B. Root, and Brigham Field. I categorize Twistys as more like "Upper Middle Class". Still high end and classy, but not too highbrow, and therefore able to pull in a broader market.

I like Mofos content, but I really don't like Brazzers stuff at all because it seems like the male talent is always super annoying. I don't know if 'annoying male talent' tests well or what, but I didn't even bother finish watching the Lou Charmelle Big Wet Butts scene and she's a personal favorite of mine. The scene didn't come close at all to matching the quality of her scenes in Elegant Angel's Anal Fanatic or Evil Angel's Slutty and Sluttier 12. Not to mention Marc Dorcel's Initiation of Lou Charmelle.

As for the 'people aren't buying porn' thing, that's a horribly inaccurate statement. Here are my 2011 RAW CCBILL ratios broken down by month.

January - 1:1148
February - 1:1075
March - 1:1089
April - 1:890
May - 1:1389
June - 1:1559

Average - 1:1191

You always throw around the 1:1000 (unique) number. I don't know how to calculate the actual unique ratio on CCBILL, but I imagine it's around 1:650-1:700. With only 4% of traffic coming from search. How's that not selling porn?

By and large, though, I do agree with you when you say that there isn't enough money being spent on quality porn or on retaining customers. So many people in the industry mistakenly think their success is attributed to their intelligence when they really just lucked out on their timing of entry. And when someone like Cherry Chapman at Cinema Erotique actually does come in with new ideas, and spends a lot of money on content, and tries new pricing structures, he's scoffed at by a large part of the old timer buddy network. Why try something new when you can just regurgitate mediocrity?

With that being said, there really are a lot of smart, talented people in the industry. You just have to look hard. When I started last year, rather than just posting questions in a forum for the masses to answer, I opted to just repeatedly email a handpicked group of people until they were likely so annoyed that they finally just gave in and started emailing back!

I'm not going to post my CV, but I can assure you that it's impressive. No sense in hiring me, though. Especially when there are so many Chris Lebruns available.

Your deal



Nobody in their right mind will ever give you anything more than beer money and even that would be only in exchange for a good laugh at your expense.

Gideon, if you want to be taken seriously you'll need to simply put up or shut up and therein lies the rub.

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wow a guy bitching about pirates taking your stuff for free

wanting me to give my stuff away for free.


i don't need to sacrifice the money i am making now to make a point to you

if 5k is too much for mutt then the same offer i gave to robbie can apply

i will explain exactly what to do to him

if he uses it he has to put all his shit in the public domain (want my stuff for free, you have to give everyone your stuff for free too)

I regret not pursuing adult hard when I was younger, that is 18. I am now 26 and the market is dry.
This doesn't mean I will stop doing porn, it will mostly just be a side hobby for me. I'd like to stay in as I know a few big producers and if I'm out in Cali I can get some girls for a cheap price to fuck... OH YEAH!!!

I've got a couple things I'm working on right now though that are mainstream. One of them a really good idea that has been done but not right at all. Has great potential actually.

That and I guess being in adult still allows me to come on here and listen to you all bitch at each other, that always makes my day

That's your opinion. My goal was to cater to my customers and make sure they were happy. They play a huge role in the direction we take our content. I didn't order it to go in the direction it went they helped push it there. I wasn't referring to higher end photography I was referring to higher end PORN. Big difference.

why waste your time. Markham doesn't know anything about the "upper end". Twistys hired the best shooters in the business. that strategy resulted in a site full of high quality videos.

i think clown-ham is thinking of another site. i doubt he's ever bought a membership or entered Twistys. i cant believe everybody doesn't have that idiot on ignore..
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I'd bet almost everyone on here also has mainstream projects.