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  • BoyAlley
    So Fucking Gay
    • Nov 2004
    • 19714
    #151
    Originally posted by RawAlex
    You need to learn about SSI.

    I'm a programmer, so all of my pages are php and template driven, but I've got a ton of sites, and they don't all run off of the same engine, so I have to go through and update each and every template.

    Making this look like anything but a huge, ugly pimpled ass eye sore on the bottom of each page is going to be next to impossible.

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      • IllTestYourGirls
        Ah My Balls
        • Feb 2007
        • 14311
        #152
        Originally posted by MrPinks
        This is the funny part "As for those who intentionally produce material depicting minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct, the statute and regulations either require them to maintain records of their crimes" So I guess the expect the criminals to keep records, hahaha, suuuuure.
        It is just a tag on charge. They will go to jail for X amount more years for not having the records

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          • IllTestYourGirls
            Ah My Balls
            • Feb 2007
            • 14311
            #153
            and why arent you all voting for Ron Paul?

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              • BoyAlley
                So Fucking Gay
                • Nov 2004
                • 19714
                #154
                As for those who intentionally produce material depicting minors engaged in sexually explicit conduct, the statute and regulations either require
                them to maintain records of their crimes or provide an additional basis
                for prosecuting such individuals besides the applicable child-
                exploitation statutes.
                Let me preface this by saying I hope the dirty fucks that produce and/or distribute and/or view CP get everything coming to their asses.

                However, constitutionally speaking, how are these requirements not a 5th amendment violation? I mean, in their comments, isn't the Department of Justice pretty much admitting that this requires people who are breaking the law to incriminate themselves?
                Last edited by BoyAlley; 07-12-2007, 11:14 AM.

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                  • yahoo-xxx-girls.com
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2006
                    • 3143
                    #155
                    I am going to get in contact directly with the US departments who write this crap and if I get a reply I will gladly post such for you all GFY ers to read.
                    sig too big

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                      • MrPinks
                        Registered User
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 1767
                        #156

                        Originally posted by BoyAlley
                        Let me preface this by saying I hope the dirty fucks that produce and/or distribute and/or view CP get everything coming to their asses.

                        However, constitutionally speaking, how are these requirements not a 5th amendment violation? I mean, in their comments, isn't the Department of Justice pretty much admitting that this requires people who are breaking the law to incriminate themselves?

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                          • Mr. Cool Ice
                            Confirmed User
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 1289
                            #157
                            Good.

                            To the industry that fucks itself over, stabs each other and itself in the back, and supports companies who steal content or support those who do steal content, I say to you, GOOD RIDDANCE!!!

                            I hope this passes in full and it puts most of you spineless, back stabbing, content theft supporting, too much free content giving assholes out of business. It's time to thin the herd.

                            Karma is a muthafucka. I've said all along, since we are not capable of regulating ourselves, we will be regulated one way or another.
                            NUR COOL UND GEIL

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                              • BoyAlley
                                So Fucking Gay
                                • Nov 2004
                                • 19714
                                #158
                                Originally posted by Mr. Cool Ice
                                Good.

                                To the industry that fucks itself over, stabs each other and itself in the back, and supports companies who steal content or support those who do steal content, I say to you, GOOD RIDDANCE!!!

                                I hope this passes in full and it puts most of you spineless, back stabbing, content theft supporting, too much free content giving assholes out of business. It's time to thin the herd.

                                Karma is a muthafucka. I've said all along, since we are not capable of regulating ourselves, we will be regulated one way or another.
                                What does 2257 have to do with being "spineless", "back stabbing" or "free content" exactly?

                                You sound like someone that's bitter because he's not making much money.

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                                  • BoyAlley
                                    So Fucking Gay
                                    • Nov 2004
                                    • 19714
                                    #159
                                    AVN Article About the new proposed regs:

                                    http://avnonline.com/index_cache.php...tent_ID=291858

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                                      • Mr. Cool Ice
                                        Confirmed User
                                        • Aug 2006
                                        • 1289
                                        #160
                                        Originally posted by BoyAlley
                                        What does 2257 have to do with being "spineless", "back stabbing" or "free content" exactly?

                                        You sound like someone that's bitter because he's not making much money.
                                        It has nothing to do with it, other than it's going to own a large percent of webmasters / adult companies and I'll be happy to see it do so. This industry cannibalizes itself, and will sell out their own mothers for 24.95 and a rebill. As Tony said, it's a whore industry. Anyone who knows anything about business knows that type of an industry does not last. I know you're a straight up guy BoyAlley, but the large majority of this industry refuses to regulate themselves, promote content theft, skin, cheat and steal... and now it's about time to pay the piper.

                                        I could retire today if I desired my little gay friend, but at 35 I enjoy my work and can't wait for the hammer to swing on this issue simply because there are more in the industry who give us all a bad name than not. If you only knew what I knew about what really goes on at some of the studios, you would also be happy to see them fall.
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                                          • BoyAlley
                                            So Fucking Gay
                                            • Nov 2004
                                            • 19714
                                            #161
                                            Statement from the FSC taken from:

                                            http://www.FreeSpeechCoalition.com

                                            This is an update on the newly-released rules and regulations related to 2257. We will provide you with more information as it becomes available.

                                            First, it is important to recognize that the regulations that the DOJ has set forth today are simply proposed regulations, issued for comment and possible change.

                                            FSC will extensively comment on the regulations, and we intend to launch an industry-wide campaign to solicit your comments as well. We need your particihapahation in this process. In the coming days we will provide details on how to comment.

                                            Some of the points set forth were expected, and they represent the modest gains that we have achieved through litigation thus far. Some of the other points are troubling and represent the intransigence which we have come to expect from Attorney General Gonzales and his associates.

                                            On the critical subject of “secondary producers,” the Justice Department is continuing to suggest that it has been right all along and that Congress ALWAYS intended secondary producer to be included in 2257. Therefore, they are considerhaing the original legislation and regulations issued in 1995 to be valid for “secondary” as well as “primary” producers. We understand that for many of you it is simply impossible to comply with the Justice departments demands, and that is one of the reasons why we will continue the fight.

                                            Unless the final regulations change radically from those proposed today, FSC will continue our litigation at the appropriate place and time, including seeking another injunction for “secondary producers” as well as others.

                                            At the end day, we will make sure that federal judges understand the absurdity of these regulations, and we will not let up on our commitment to you and to your rights.
                                            Last edited by BoyAlley; 07-12-2007, 11:38 AM.

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                                              • BoyAlley
                                                So Fucking Gay
                                                • Nov 2004
                                                • 19714
                                                #162
                                                Originally posted by Mr. Cool Ice
                                                If you only knew what I knew about what really goes on at some of the studios, you would also be happy to see them fall.
                                                Honestly it's not about any studios falling that I am concerned about.

                                                It's the First Amendment of the United States Constitution falling that I find troubling.

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                                                  • IllTestYourGirls
                                                    Ah My Balls
                                                    • Feb 2007
                                                    • 14311
                                                    #163
                                                    Originally posted by BoyAlley
                                                    Honestly it's not about any studios falling that I am concerned about.

                                                    It's the First Amendment of the United States Constitution falling that I find troubling.
                                                    Its number 1 for a reason

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                                                      • Mr. Cool Ice
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2006
                                                        • 1289
                                                        #164
                                                        Originally posted by BoyAlley
                                                        Honestly it's not about any studios falling that I am concerned about.

                                                        It's the First Amendment of the United States Constitution falling that I find troubling.
                                                        I won't argue that, but lets be honest, Americans are already fucked. You are losing your freedoms at an alarming rate, and allowing the government to continue to take them from you. One more large attack on US soil and I'm sad to say a police state will not be far behind.

                                                        For the sake of such a great country, I hope 2008 brings a lot of changes otherwise I do fear the United States Of America will be beyond repair and heading for a very dark future.

                                                        Either way, it does bring be joy to think about thinning the herd around here.
                                                        NUR COOL UND GEIL

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                                                          • Sands
                                                            Confirmed User
                                                            • Feb 2007
                                                            • 3134
                                                            #165
                                                            Originally posted by Mr. Cool Ice
                                                            I won't argue that, but lets be honest, Americans are already fucked. You are losing your freedoms at an alarming rate, and allowing the government to continue to take them from you. One more large attack on US soil and I'm sad to say a police state will not be far behind.

                                                            For the sake of such a great country, I hope 2008 brings a lot of changes otherwise I do fear the United States Of America will be beyond repair and heading for a very dark future.

                                                            Either way, it does bring be joy to think about thinning the herd around here.
                                                            Perhaps we could keep this thread on point rather than turning it into another "Why the US Sucks" thread.

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                                                              • BoyAlley
                                                                So Fucking Gay
                                                                • Nov 2004
                                                                • 19714
                                                                #166
                                                                Originally posted by Mr. Cool Ice
                                                                I won't argue that, but lets be honest, Americans are already fucked. You are losing your freedoms at an alarming rate, and allowing the government to continue to take them from you. One more large attack on US soil and I'm sad to say a police state will not be far behind.

                                                                For the sake of such a great country, I hope 2008 brings a lot of changes otherwise I do fear the United States Of America will be beyond repair and heading for a very dark future.
                                                                Unfortunately I agree with your sentiments. The citizens of this country needs to wake up.

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                                                                  • Mr. Cool Ice
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Aug 2006
                                                                    • 1289
                                                                    #167
                                                                    Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                    Its number 1 for a reason
                                                                    Spoken like a true American who has probably never left the country, besides a drunked trip to Cancun, Mexico.
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                                                                      • D
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • Jan 2006
                                                                        • 7412
                                                                        #168
                                                                        Originally posted by VG.Content
                                                                        You agree that images of someone fully clothed but posing in what may be considered a sexual manor should fall under 2257
                                                                        I never said that, or even directly touched on that subject. I said that whatever legislation is passed should be enforced equally on everyone - Hollywood, included. So long as that's the case, we're on the right track, I think.

                                                                        Originally posted by crockett
                                                                        No it doesn't have to be a bad thing, and "could" be a good thing.. That is if it were being used in the scope of it's intent, rather than as a harassment tool for a questionable govt.
                                                                        I hear what you're saying. That's why I feel our energy may be best spent on simply making sure whatever standards are adopted are applied universally... then, the laws that are the least sensible don't stand as much a chance of getting passed. The Hollywood lobby should be standing at our side on these issues - both logically and ethically.

                                                                        Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                        D, the problem here isn't the need for a 2257 regulation for the people who shoot the porn, but rather extending those record keeping requirements to people who had nothing to do with the production of the material.
                                                                        I totally agree, man. Marketing and promotion - or even presentation in alternative formats (e.g. VOD, etc) should not equal production. Have an easy-to-trace standard paper trail between any content and the location of the 2257 docs - with sworn affidavits from the primary producers every step of the way, perhaps, and that should suffice, imho.

                                                                        Anything more does seem overly burdensome... especially if the whole thing's applied to only some people and not others. Point me in the direction of the "Adult-Content Only" drinking fountains, eh?

                                                                        Originally posted by tony404
                                                                        2257 is not a bad thing to have records on everyone you shoot, the problem is they are making it overly complicated to fuck with us. They know we have nothing to do with CP.
                                                                        I don't think they do. It's the legislators that are writing these laws, and have you seen some of them talk about pornography on the House and Senate floor? It's up to us to educate them, I think... and we do that by writing letters, and doing what we can to make sure that our industry is not singled out and persecuted separately from more mainstream industries that do the same thing we do.

                                                                        That's where this whole thing's taking a wrong turn, imho. Get all of Hollywood in the boat with us, and whatever happens happens. If things get out of control, our representatives are going to have a much larger squeaky wheel to deal with.

                                                                        Originally posted by MrPinks
                                                                        Totally agree with you. Wish they would see it this way.
                                                                        -D.
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                                                                          • BoyAlley
                                                                            So Fucking Gay
                                                                            • Nov 2004
                                                                            • 19714
                                                                            #169
                                                                            Originally posted by D
                                                                            I never said that, or even directly touched on that subject. I said that whatever legislation is passed should be enforced equally on everyone - Hollywood, included. So long as that's the case, we're on the right track, I think.

                                                                            I'd think that point alone should be enough to overturn the provisions of the Adam Walsh Act.

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                                                                              • FiReC
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Jan 2002
                                                                                • 2350
                                                                                #170
                                                                                i believe this is the quote that exempts anything regulated by the FCC from 2257....

                                                                                The other
                                                                                part of this exemption states that section 2257 (to the extent it
                                                                                applies to lascivious exhibition) and section 2257A do not apply to
                                                                                matter that is produced by someone subject to the Federal
                                                                                Communications Commission's authority to enforce federal bans on the
                                                                                broadcast of obscene, indecent, or profane programming, and is created
                                                                                as a part of a commercial enterprise by a person who certifies to the
                                                                                Attorney General that he regularly and in the normal course of business
                                                                                collects and maintains individually identifiable name and age
                                                                                information regarding all performers, for purposes such as Federal and
                                                                                State tax, labor, and other laws.
                                                                                www.nubilefilms.com | www.nubiles.net | www.anilos.com | tubescript.nubiles.net | icq4162727

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                                                                                  • Nathan
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                    • 3108
                                                                                    #171
                                                                                    A bunch of people are misunderstand things here I think...

                                                                                    1) This is the _RULE_ and NOT THE LAW!!!! Thats a DIFFERENCE everyone.. The LAW was signed in 2006 already! This is simply the rule and explanation that the DOJ writes up to define who the law is USED... Doesn't mean the law was not in effect 2 months ago as far as I understand... But maybe I'm wrong in this one, since I do not understand the US logic of what a "Rule" and a "Law" is... If you read the rule though, its really an EXPLANATION of it and NOT the law itself.

                                                                                    2) The ISP provisions are NOT REMOVED! In contrast, they are MORE CLEAR and EXTENDED! As Elli posted, the rule states:

                                                                                    2. Second, the Act revised the exclusions in the statute for the operations of Internet companies. Specifically, the Act amended section 2257 by excluding from the definition of ``produces'' the ``provision of a telecommunications service, or of an Internet access service or Internet information location tool * * * or the transmission, storage, retrieval, hosting, formatting, or translation (or any combination thereof) of a communication, without selection or alteration of the content of the communication.''
                                                                                    It says "the [Adam Walsh] Act AMENDED section 2257 by excluding [...] telecommunications service, or of an internet access service or internet information location tool [...] or the transmission, storage [...] without selection or alteration of the content of the communication.".

                                                                                    That means, it DOES protect ISPs and YouTube, Search engines, mySpace and so on...

                                                                                    3) RawAlex is wrong stating:
                                                                                    No, read through closely - they specifically killed that version of the ISP provision, and limited it down to only ISPs that don't edit or control the images in any manner. As Myspace and Facebook both do review and delete offensive material, they are in control of the content and therefore would no longer be exempt.
                                                                                    The regulations state:
                                                                                    [...] without selection or alteration of the content of the communication, except that deletion of a particular communication or material made by another person in a manner consistent with section 230(c) of the Communications Act of 1934 (47 U.S.C. 230(c)) shall not constitute such selection or alteration of the content of the communication; and [...]
                                                                                    So the simply DELETION does NOT constitue SELECTION. Read 47 USC 230 here: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...0----000-.html

                                                                                    Specifically 47 USC 230(c)(2)(A):
                                                                                    any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected; or
                                                                                    4) The "lascivious exhibition" definition is referenced from another child protection act, and thats why it keeps saying "child", it does not mean that this somehow only applies to pictures of actual children and if its not a child it does not have to be kept records for.

                                                                                    Also, I am unsure here, but since it is a "List of factors for determining..." the meaning of "lascivious exhibition", I am unsure if (4) actually means to include "fully clothed" ones or if it just means that them being either fully clothed, half clothed or naked is one of those factors. If it meant that even fully clothed ones count, would it not make (4) useless since its nolonger "a factor" since ALL is covered by it?

                                                                                    The other major thing here is what everyone keeps saying only applys to hollywood... Its the part that defines when records do NOT have to be kept for "lascivious exhibition" AND SIMULATED sexual conduct:

                                                                                    (i)
                                                                                    Intended for commercial distribution, (ii) is created as a part of a
                                                                                    commercial enterprise by a person who certifies to the Attorney General
                                                                                    that he regularly and in the normal course of business collects and
                                                                                    maintains individually identifiable name and age information regarding
                                                                                    all performers for purposes such as Federal and State tax, labor, and
                                                                                    other laws, and (iii) is not produced, marketed, or otherwise made
                                                                                    available in circumstances such that an ordinary person would conclude
                                                                                    that it is child pornography.
                                                                                    The point of this, as far as I see it, is not to protect hollywood! Its to make sure that recordkeeping for simulated and "lascivious exhibition" content is only required if you do not actually use this stuff commercially, its basically to fuck REAL CHILD PORN DISTRIBUTORS!

                                                                                    This _MIGHT_ affected extreme teen sites though (because of (iii) of the exceptions)... For all others, you do pay your models no? So you have data for federal and state tax returns and such? So thus that content is STILL not covererd here, no?

                                                                                    At least thats what I read from those lines...
                                                                                    Last edited by Nathan; 07-12-2007, 11:55 AM. Reason: small clarification
                                                                                    "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
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                                                                                      • Mr. Cool Ice
                                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                                        • Aug 2006
                                                                                        • 1289
                                                                                        #172
                                                                                        Originally posted by Sands
                                                                                        Perhaps we could keep this thread on point rather than turning it into another "Why the US Sucks" thread.
                                                                                        Perhaps that is your problem, you don't want to attack the root of an issue.

                                                                                        And I did not say America sucks. Though I did say it is heading in a dark direction and needs drastic change. In fact, the USA is a great country, unfortunately it has it's head too far up its own ass to act like one and be a proper global role model.
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                                                                                          • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                            Ah My Balls
                                                                                            • Feb 2007
                                                                                            • 14311
                                                                                            #173
                                                                                            Originally posted by Mr. Cool Ice
                                                                                            Perhaps that is your problem, you don't want to attack the root of an issue.

                                                                                            And I did not say America sucks. Though I did say it is heading in a dark direction and needs drastic change. In fact, the USA is a great country, unfortunately it has it's head too far up its own ass to act like one and be a proper global role model.
                                                                                            Time to bring back our freedoms. See sig

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                                                                                              • Nathan
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                                                                                                • Jul 2003
                                                                                                • 3108
                                                                                                #174
                                                                                                Originally posted by FiReC
                                                                                                i believe this is the quote that exempts anything regulated by the FCC from 2257....
                                                                                                You are right, THAT part does protect hollywood or FCC regulated companies... but the FIRST part of the exception protects many of US too...
                                                                                                "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                                                                                                - Charlie Munger

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                                                                                                  • Mr. Cool Ice
                                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                                    • Aug 2006
                                                                                                    • 1289
                                                                                                    #175
                                                                                                    People, honestly, deal with it.

                                                                                                    This is about the laziest industry I have ever seen. Do you fucking paperwork, list what you have to list, link where you have to link and be done with it. So you have to list your name, address and phone number, then do it or find another line of work. What are you hiding?

                                                                                                    EVERY industry has rules and regulations. Porn should not be exempt. YOU wanted to be the cowboy working in porn, so now YOU have to deal with the consequences. If this passes as is, you will either adapt or you will close your shop.

                                                                                                    I will adapt, how about you?
                                                                                                    NUR COOL UND GEIL

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                                                                                                      • BoyAlley
                                                                                                        So Fucking Gay
                                                                                                        • Nov 2004
                                                                                                        • 19714
                                                                                                        #176
                                                                                                        Originally posted by Mr. Cool Ice
                                                                                                        People, honestly, deal with it.
                                                                                                        Now that's the attitude that made the United States what it is today!

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                                                                                                          • Sands
                                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                                            • Feb 2007
                                                                                                            • 3134
                                                                                                            #177
                                                                                                            Originally posted by Mr. Cool Ice
                                                                                                            Perhaps that is your problem, you don't want to attack the root of an issue.

                                                                                                            And I did not say America sucks. Though I did say it is heading in a dark direction and needs drastic change. In fact, the USA is a great country, unfortunately it has it's head too far up its own ass to act like one and be a proper global role model.
                                                                                                            There is a time and a place for everything. I'm quite sure this would be a time and place for addressing the issue at hand, which is the proposed 2257 regulations... not all the underlying faults or dark future of America.

                                                                                                            And yes, I do agree that there is a lot wrong with the US. I can plainly see that as a citizen, and I don't need non-Americans to point out the elephant in the room. So thank you for your input, and I agree with much of it.

                                                                                                            You certainly have the luxury of saying "deal with it", living in such a stellar country as Germany. For someone who's so aware of America's dark future, and the factors that may lead to it, I'm also confident that you're aware of the stigma that those who work in adult also carry. And also as an sympathizing human being, I'm also sure you're aware that most people would much rather not have their name attached to what they do.

                                                                                                            You can cast judgment however you like. Critisize them for picking their profession and advise that they pick a new one if they're hesitant to disclose their identity in the manner proposed in these regulations; however the fact remains that we feel we shouldn't have to regardless of your opinion.

                                                                                                            Furthermore, when this disgraceful intrusion into privacy is coupled with the transparent agenda to make the lives of those in the adult biz much harder, it makes it all that much harder to bear.

                                                                                                            So no, "Mr. Cool Ice", I will not deal with it.

                                                                                                            Back to the task at hand

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                                                                                                              • swampthing
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                                                                                                                • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                • 570
                                                                                                                #178
                                                                                                                Originally posted by tony404
                                                                                                                From what I read that guy is not in the US. This is a whore industry, anything for a buck.Poor taste yes,cp no.
                                                                                                                why the fuck does he have to be in the us??

                                                                                                                your telling me, there arent US programs out there accepting his traffic??

                                                                                                                and how do you know its not??? have you seen the pics in these galleries he has labeled "REALMIX" ??

                                                                                                                As it is safe for me to say.... it looks rotten to me... it would be safer for you to say, well, i just dont know.

                                                                                                                If he cant prove the age of those girls he has uploaded, then you sure as hell cant. Im not trying to be a dick to you. Im just asking you to think about it.

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                                                                                                                  • swampthing
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                                                                                                                    • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                    • 570
                                                                                                                    #179
                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Mr. Cool Ice
                                                                                                                    People, honestly, deal with it.

                                                                                                                    This is about the laziest industry I have ever seen. Do you fucking paperwork, list what you have to list, link where you have to link and be done with it. So you have to list your name, address and phone number, then do it or find another line of work. What are you hiding?

                                                                                                                    EVERY industry has rules and regulations. Porn should not be exempt. YOU wanted to be the cowboy working in porn, so now YOU have to deal with the consequences. If this passes as is, you will either adapt or you will close your shop.

                                                                                                                    I will adapt, how about you?
                                                                                                                    coming from a german, id say that means.....

                                                                                                                    jack shit.

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                                                                                                                      • MrPinks
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                                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                        • 1767
                                                                                                                        #180
                                                                                                                        The secondary producer shit is not going to go away or get any better. FSC is not going to resolve the situation with secondary producers. The real reason the secondary producer shit is now law is to cut down on a majority of the porn on the web. It is not to help them locate docs or make the paper trail easier for them. It is to cut down on porn and it is very evident by this part of the regulation "In addition, by confirming that the statute and
                                                                                                                        regulations apply to "secondary producers,'' the revised proposed rule
                                                                                                                        will make it more difficult for the purveyors of such material to
                                                                                                                        access the market                                                                                                                        ."

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                                                                                                                          • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                            Ah My Balls
                                                                                                                            • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                            • 14311
                                                                                                                            #181
                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Mr. Cool Ice
                                                                                                                            People, honestly, deal with it.

                                                                                                                            This is about the laziest industry I have ever seen. Do you fucking paperwork, list what you have to list, link where you have to link and be done with it. So you have to list your name, address and phone number, then do it or find another line of work. What are you hiding?

                                                                                                                            EVERY industry has rules and regulations. Porn should not be exempt. YOU wanted to be the cowboy working in porn, so now YOU have to deal with the consequences. If this passes as is, you will either adapt or you will close your shop.

                                                                                                                            I will adapt, how about you?
                                                                                                                            Isnt that what Germans said about Hitler? Good call there

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                                                                                                                              • Nathan
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                                                                                                                                #182
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by MrPinks
                                                                                                                                The secondary producer shit is not going to go away or get any better. FSC is not going to resolve the situation with secondary producers. The real reason the secondary producer shit is now law is to cut down on a majority of the porn on the web. It is not to help them locate docs or make the paper trail easier for them. It is to cut down on porn and it is very evident by this part of the regulation "In addition, by confirming that the statute and
                                                                                                                                regulations apply to "secondary producers,'' the revised proposed rule
                                                                                                                                will make it more difficult for the purveyors of such material to
                                                                                                                                access the market                                                                                                                                ."
                                                                                                                                EVERYONE keeps misunderstanding that one.. I forgot it in the big post above..

                                                                                                                                This Act is about CHILD PROTECTION!!! Not about PORN!!! The "purveyors of such material" are NOT us, the normal porn webmasters, but people that distribute CHILD PORN!
                                                                                                                                "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                                                                                                                                - Charlie Munger

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                                                                                                                                  • Sands
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                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2007
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                                                                                                                                    #183
                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                                                    EVERYONE keeps misunderstanding that one.. I forgot it in the big post above..

                                                                                                                                    This Act is about CHILD PROTECTION!!! Not about PORN!!! The "purveyors of such material" are NOT us, the normal porn webmasters, but people that distribute CHILD PORN!
                                                                                                                                    I don't think it makes much of a difference since child porn or not, you're going to be keeping records.

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                                                                                                                                      • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                                        Ah My Balls
                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2007
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                                                                                                                                        #184
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                                                        EVERYONE keeps misunderstanding that one.. I forgot it in the big post above..

                                                                                                                                        This Act is about CHILD PROTECTION!!! Not about PORN!!! The "purveyors of such material" are NOT us, the normal porn webmasters, but people that distribute CHILD PORN!
                                                                                                                                        Good point, I dont know if the makes of the law will agree with you. fuck your civil rights.

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                                                                                                                                          • Nathan
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                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                            #185
                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Sands
                                                                                                                                            I don't think it makes much of a difference since child porn or not, you're going to be keeping records.
                                                                                                                                            Of course, but that line can not be used to claim the government wants to make our work harder, it means it wants to make it harder for child porn producers AND distributors to not get caught, and thus the secondary producer stuff is needed. Because else, someone releasing child porn would not have to keep records since they simply uploaded it on their page, someone else produced it, and they have no clue who...
                                                                                                                                            "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                                                                                                                                            - Charlie Munger

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                                                                                                                                              • MrPinks
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                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
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                                                                                                                                                #186
                                                                                                                                                You see that's the thing, the vagueness and confusion with this law. If you look at it from the perspective of standard porn and law abiding secondary producers, it is about porn and trimming the fat. They keep lumping us together with the real shit heads of the world and don't expect anyone in the mainstream world's sympathy on this. If you were in mainstream, would you really give a shit?

                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                                                                EVERYONE keeps misunderstanding that one.. I forgot it in the big post above..

                                                                                                                                                This Act is about CHILD PROTECTION!!! Not about PORN!!! The "purveyors of such material" are NOT us, the normal porn webmasters, but people that distribute CHILD PORN!

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                                                                                                                                                  • BoyAlley
                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Gay
                                                                                                                                                    • Nov 2004
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                                                                                                                                                    #187
                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sands
                                                                                                                                                    I don't think it makes much of a difference since child porn or not, you're going to be keeping records.
                                                                                                                                                    exactly.

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                                                                                                                                                      • Nathan
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                                                                                                                                                        • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                                        #188
                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                                                        Good point, I dont know if the makes of the law will agree with you. fuck your civil rights.
                                                                                                                                                        I'm not saying they do not mind fucking us normal porn webmasters... I'm saying that the line does not prove that like multiple people have claimed.
                                                                                                                                                        "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                                                                                                                                                        - Charlie Munger

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                                                                                                                                                          • Nathan
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                                                                                                                                                            • Jul 2003
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                                                                                                                                                            #189
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by MrPinks
                                                                                                                                                            You see that's the thing, the vagueness and confusion with this law. If you look at it from the perspective of standard porn and law abiding secondary producers, it is about porn and trimming the fat. They keep lumping us together with the real shit heads of the world and don't expect anyone in the mainstream world's sympathy on this. If you were in mainstream, would you really give a shit?
                                                                                                                                                            I agree, the vagueness and confusion sucks... and its still vague with the new changes, it is getting better though...

                                                                                                                                                            Hopefully now the FSC is going to attack the actual LAW and not that it is too vague and such...

                                                                                                                                                            The problem is the burden this law causes and it needs to be lowered.

                                                                                                                                                            What I do not understand is, why not simply allow referencing the primary producer, it makes no sense that the records have to be kept in MULTIPLE places. It actually INCREASES the work the gov has to achive! If it were all only at the primary producer's location, then there would simply be a few hundred places to check documents at. Once they see that they already checked that producer and the content they do not have to check again.

                                                                                                                                                            Now, they have to actually check THOUSANDS of locations from MILLIONS of websites... a LOT more work for the gov. Lots of more Tax $$ spent...
                                                                                                                                                            "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                                                                                                                                                            - Charlie Munger

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                                                                                                                                                              • Tom_PM
                                                                                                                                                                Porn Meister
                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                #190
                                                                                                                                                                Yep thats true, and the FBI inspector did say that they appreciate when people point to where the content was actually gotten from. Common sense does have a say in everything after all, they're not stupid
                                                                                                                                                                They're not going to inspect a place that exclusively sells granny movies for example, provided that there is no young looking model obviously.
                                                                                                                                                                43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                                                                                                                                  • Sands
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                                                                                                                                                                    • Feb 2007
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                                                                                                                                                                    #191
                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                                                                                    Of course, but that line can not be used to claim the government wants to make our work harder, it means it wants to make it harder for child porn producers AND distributors to not get caught, and thus the secondary producer stuff is needed. Because else, someone releasing child porn would not have to keep records since they simply uploaded it on their page, someone else produced it, and they have no clue who...
                                                                                                                                                                    With all due respect, I feel that you are gravely mistaken if you believe that this isn't geared toward "honest" porn producers, whether in language or underlying intent.

                                                                                                                                                                    2257 operates on the premise that child pornography will be thwarted by child pornographers keeping records of their own child pornography for Department of Justice agents to inspect... I can't be the only one that sees the absolute absurdity in that. It doesn't matter at what level this disgusting content exists: production or distribution. The very idea that they expect criminals to keep tabs on their own criminal endeavors is preposterous!

                                                                                                                                                                    Since the flawed logic is as bright as the sun, the only other conclusion that we can come to is that this is a thinly veiled attempt to over-regulate adult webmasters and add an excessive burden that will ultimately limit the amount of pornography that is created and distributed in America through inreased expenses and a chilling effect through invasion of privacy.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • BoyAlley
                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Gay
                                                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2004
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                                                                                                                                                                        #192
                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                                                                                                                        They're not going to inspect a place that exclusively sells granny movies for example, provided that there is no young looking model obviously.
                                                                                                                                                                        Actually I believe that they've already inspected a MILF producer. According to them, they're inspecting people based on a computer randomly picking producers from their database by lottery.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • MrPinks
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                            • 1767
                                                                                                                                                                            #193
                                                                                                                                                                            Exactly!

                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by Nathan
                                                                                                                                                                            What I do not understand is, why not simply allow referencing the primary producer, it makes no sense that the records have to be kept in MULTIPLE places. It actually INCREASES the work the gov has to achive! If it were all only at the primary producer's location, then there would simply be a few hundred places to check documents at. Once they see that they already checked that producer and the content they do not have to check again.

                                                                                                                                                                            Now, they have to actually check THOUSANDS of locations from MILLIONS of websites... a LOT more work for the gov. Lots of more Tax $$ spent...

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                                                                                                                                                                              • V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                                                                Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                                                                                                                                                • Nov 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                • 32451
                                                                                                                                                                                #194
                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                                                                                                                So does that mean HBO has to have 2257 docs for every movie it shows?
                                                                                                                                                                                Word.... I am sure they have absolutely no problem with this regulation...

                                                                                                                                                                                Take a company with 10,000 employees and add one more for this...

                                                                                                                                                                                Do they give a fuck?

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                    • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                    • 9465
                                                                                                                                                                                    #195
                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by BoyAlley
                                                                                                                                                                                    Actually I believe that they've already inspected a MILF producer. According to them, they're inspecting people based on a computer randomly picking producers from their database by lottery.
                                                                                                                                                                                    Funny, this is even more proof that they are not working to get rid of CP or to protect children, but instead to randomly harass the adult industry. All of these things would be great items to bring in front of a court to show that the 2257 provisions of the Adam Walsh law were created NOT to protect children, but to impose harsh and burdensome rules on the adult industry with the intent to limit the availability of protected free speech.

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • MrPinks
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                        • 1767
                                                                                                                                                                                        #196
                                                                                                                                                                                        That is what I was trying to say. There is more to this than people want to see.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by Sands
                                                                                                                                                                                        Since the flawed logic is as bright as the sun, the only other conclusion that we can come to is that this is a thinly veiled attempt to over-regulate adult webmasters and add an excessive burden that will ultimately limit the amount of pornography that is created and distributed in America through inreased expenses and a chilling effect through invasion of privacy.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Tom_PM
                                                                                                                                                                                            Porn Meister
                                                                                                                                                                                            • Feb 2005
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                                                                                                                                                                                            #197
                                                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by BoyAlley
                                                                                                                                                                                            Actually I believe that they've already inspected a MILF producer. According to them, they're inspecting people based on a computer randomly picking producers from their database by lottery.
                                                                                                                                                                                            Really? I didnt know that. But I know they select movies, watch them, and jot down who they want to see records on. So maybe there was someone who looked borderline.. I've seen "milf" content that could easily be called "18 to 19yr old" content..
                                                                                                                                                                                            43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                                                                So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                                                                                • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                • 9465
                                                                                                                                                                                                #198
                                                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by V_RocKs
                                                                                                                                                                                                Word.... I am sure they have absolutely no problem with this regulation...

                                                                                                                                                                                                Take a company with 10,000 employees and add one more for this...

                                                                                                                                                                                                Do they give a fuck?

                                                                                                                                                                                                You guys don't get the point. Brooke Sheilds in "Pretty Baby" is effectively illegal, because there is no way to prove her as a model of 18 years of age when she made this movie, which shows "coy sexuality". It makes pretty much everything from Britney Spears to Mickey Mouse club potentially liable because their models are under 18.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Nathan
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • Jul 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                                    • 3108
                                                                                                                                                                                                    #199
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Originally posted by Sands
                                                                                                                                                                                                    2257 operates on the premise that child pornography will be thwarted by child pornographers keeping records of their own child pornography for Department of Justice agents to inspect... I can't be the only one that sees the absolute absurdity in that. It doesn't matter at what level this disgusting content exists: production or distribution. The very idea that they expect criminals to keep tabs on their own criminal endeavors is preposterous!
                                                                                                                                                                                                    You actually did not get the point of this law. The point is that people that do child porn actually HAVE TO BREAK the law!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    This way, if its unsure if its child porn, like some girl that looks 16 but might be 18, or that looks 14 but might be 18, the records prove that she is 18 OR the fact that the records are NOT kept will get them convicted anyway although it can not be proven the girls is 14!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                    If the girl is obviously 10 years old, they do not even need this law.
                                                                                                                                                                                                    "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                                                                                                                                                                                                    - Charlie Munger

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • BoyAlley
                                                                                                                                                                                                        So Fucking Gay
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • Nov 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                        • 19714
                                                                                                                                                                                                        #200
                                                                                                                                                                                                        200 Unconstitutional Regulations!

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