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  • BoyAlley
    So Fucking Gay
    • Nov 2004
    • 19714

    #1

    New 2257 Regs Posted In Here! You Saw It From The Fag First!

    Here you go breeders, here you go.

    Direct from the Federal Registry, the new 2257 regs!

    New 2257 Regs
    Last edited by BoyAlley; 07-12-2007, 09:11 AM.
  • BoyAlley
    So Fucking Gay
    • Nov 2004
    • 19714

    #2
    17 pages long of new regs is teh sux bad.

    This will take some time to digest.

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    • BoyAlley
      So Fucking Gay
      • Nov 2004
      • 19714

      #3
      Also remember that these are PROPOSED regs that the public can write in and comment on so that they Government can ignore us first before turning them into actual law.

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      • directfiesta
        Too lazy to set a custom title
        • Oct 2002
        • 30277

        #4
        will read that while on the can .....

        but I personally don't give a shit about foreign laws.
        I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

        But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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        • Shoehorn!
          Die With Your Boots On
          • Oct 2003
          • 22872

          #5
          Any drastic changes or new things added since last time?

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          • stickyfingerz
            Doin fine
            • Oct 2005
            • 24984

            #6
            Ill wait to make any changes till they are law. Thanks for the update.

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            • BoyAlley
              So Fucking Gay
              • Nov 2004
              • 19714

              #7
              Originally posted by Shoehorn!
              Any drastic changes or new things added since last time?
              A ton of them, yes. Here's the first I've come across so far:

              that producers of lascivious exhibition maintain records under section 2257
              The new regs specifically includes COMPLETELY CLOTHED individuals that are posing in a sexually suggestive manner.

              Also now includes simulated, not just actual, sexually explicit conduct.
              Last edited by BoyAlley; 07-12-2007, 09:21 AM.

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              • CaptainHowdy
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Dec 2004
                • 94194

                #8
                Originally posted by BoyAlley
                The new regs specifically includes COMPLETELY CLOTHED individuals that are posing in a sexually suggestive manner.
                ... Now seriously...
                Last edited by CaptainHowdy; 07-12-2007, 09:22 AM.

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                • GatorB
                  The Demon & 12clicks
                  • Oct 2001
                  • 18208

                  #9
                  "In addition, by confirming that the statute and
                  regulations apply to ``secondary producers,'' the revised proposed rule
                  will make it more difficult for the purveyors of such material to
                  access the market."

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                  • GatorB
                    The Demon & 12clicks
                    • Oct 2001
                    • 18208

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BoyAlley
                    A ton of them, yes. Here's the first I've come across so far:



                    The new regs specifically includes COMPLETELY CLOTHED individuals that are posing in a sexually suggestive manner.

                    Also now includes simulated, not just actual, sexually explicit conduct.

                    So does that mean HBO has to have 2257 docs for every movie it shows?

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                    • leedsfan
                      leedsfan
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 2564

                      #11
                      so basically every page with a sexual image on must now have the 2257 full information on it, as opposed to a 2257 link.

                      Man, that's going to be tough.
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                      • BoyAlley
                        So Fucking Gay
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 19714

                        #12
                        The proposed rule requires, per the statute, that the statement describing
                        the location of the records required by this part be affixed to every
                        page of a Web site (controlled by the producer) on which visual
                        depictions of sexually explicit conduct appear.
                        Apparently they're now saying that putting a link marked "18 U.S.C. 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements
                        Compliance Statement." on each of your pages, that goes to a page that has the address of where your records are, is no longer good enough.

                        They now want your name and address on EVERY PAGE that sexually explicit conduct appears?

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                        • IllTestYourGirls
                          Ah My Balls
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 14311

                          #13
                          This is exactly why Ron Paul needs to be elected. I don't see how an adult webmaster could vote for anyone else.

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                          • IllTestYourGirls
                            Ah My Balls
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 14311

                            #14
                            Originally posted by BoyAlley
                            Apparently they're now saying that putting a link marked "18 U.S.C. 2257 Record-Keeping Requirements
                            Compliance Statement." on each of your pages, that goes to a page that has the address of where your records are, is no longer good enough.

                            They now want your name and address on EVERY PAGE that sexually explicit conduct appears?
                            Finally I can stalk those sexy models! YES! Ill add that I'm sarcastic...

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                            • BoyAlley
                              So Fucking Gay
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 19714

                              #15
                              Originally posted by GatorB
                              So does that mean HBO has to have 2257 docs for every movie it shows?

                              No, there appear to be exceptions that are specifically written exclude hollywood from the regs.

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                              • Tom_PM
                                Porn Meister
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 16443

                                #16
                                One definition of lascivious says: arousing sexual desire

                                Now how in the hell can you tell what arouses my sexual desire? lol

                                So if you post pics that arouse me, you better have docs. Or something.
                                43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                • IllTestYourGirls
                                  Ah My Balls
                                  • Feb 2007
                                  • 14311

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                  One definition of lascivious says: arousing sexual desire

                                  Now how in the hell can you tell what arouses my sexual desire? lol

                                  So if you post pics that arouse me, you better have docs. Or something.
                                  the word "hell" just sexually stimulated my pee-pee

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                                  • GatorB
                                    The Demon & 12clicks
                                    • Oct 2001
                                    • 18208

                                    #18
                                    (g) Records are not required to be maintained by either a primary
                                    producer or by a secondary producer for a visual depiction of sexually
                                    explicit conduct that consists only of lascivious exhibition of the genitals or
                                    pubic area of a person, and contains no other sexually explicit
                                    conduct, whose original production date was prior to July 27, 2006.

                                    Now if you don't maintian the records how are you going to prove to the feds that the material was made before July 27, 2006?

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                                    • BoyAlley
                                      So Fucking Gay
                                      • Nov 2004
                                      • 19714

                                      #19
                                      it
                                      clarifies that primary producers may redact non-essential information
                                      from copies of records provided to secondary producers, including
                                      addresses, phone numbers, social security numbers, and other
                                      information not necessary to confirm the name and age of the performer.
                                      However, the identification number of the picture identification card
                                      presented to confirm name and age--such as drivers' license number or
                                      passport number--may not be redacted, so that its validity may be
                                      confirmed.

                                      Redacted docs OK for secondary producers so long as it contains the above info.

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                                      • IllTestYourGirls
                                        Ah My Balls
                                        • Feb 2007
                                        • 14311

                                        #20
                                        ok just making this clear, these are PROPOSED right? Not law yet.

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                                        • GatorB
                                          The Demon & 12clicks
                                          • Oct 2001
                                          • 18208

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by BoyAlley

                                          No, there appear to be exceptions that are specifically written exclude hollywood from the regs.
                                          Why? I would think that a movie like "Not Another Teen Movie" would fall right into this. Adults pretending to be teens engaging in simulated sexual behavior? Um that doesn't apply?

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                                          • BoyAlley
                                            So Fucking Gay
                                            • Nov 2004
                                            • 19714

                                            #22
                                            Live content producers MUST record PART of each live performance and maintain it:

                                            the proposed rule clarifies that producers of visual
                                            depictions performed live on the Internet need not maintain a copy of
                                            the full running-time of every such depiction. Rather, they may
                                            maintain a copy that contains running-time sufficient to identify each
                                            and every performer in the depiction and associate each and every
                                            performer with the records needed to confirm his or her age.

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                                            • ServerGenius
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                                              • Feb 2002
                                              • 9377

                                              #23
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                                              • GatorB
                                                The Demon & 12clicks
                                                • Oct 2001
                                                • 18208

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                ok just making this clear, these are PROPOSED right? Not law yet.
                                                No these are the new rules.

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                                                • BoyAlley
                                                  So Fucking Gay
                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                  • 19714

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by GatorB
                                                  Why? I would think that a movie like "Not Another Teen Movie" would fall right into this. Adults pretending to be teens engaging in simulated sexual behavior? Um that doesn't apply?
                                                  No because it's mainstream hollywood and there are mainstream hollywood exceptions.

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                                                  • NinjaSteve
                                                    Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                    • Dec 2003
                                                    • 11089

                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                    Ill wait to make any changes till they are law. Thanks for the update.
                                                    Sounds like a good plan
                                                    ...

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                                                    • Tom_PM
                                                      Porn Meister
                                                      • Feb 2005
                                                      • 16443

                                                      #27
                                                      So a girl posing nude, spreading etc in pics I bought years ago require no documentation? Not too shabby. Unless I missed something.

                                                      Good question though GatorB.. I suppose you'd better file and save the receipts, and content licenses which you normally sign and date anyway.
                                                      43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                      • BoyAlley
                                                        So Fucking Gay
                                                        • Nov 2004
                                                        • 19714

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by GatorB
                                                        No these are the new rules.

                                                        No these are PROPOSED rules. There's a period of public comment now before they're entered into law.

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                                                        • GatorB
                                                          The Demon & 12clicks
                                                          • Oct 2001
                                                          • 18208

                                                          #29
                                                          DATES: Written comments must be received by September 10, 2007.

                                                          ADDRESSES: Written comments may be submitted to: Andrew Oosterbaan,
                                                          Chief, Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section, Criminal Division,
                                                          United States Department of Justice, Washington, DC 20530; Attn:
                                                          ``Docket No. CRM 104.''
                                                          Comments may be submitted electronically to: [email protected]
                                                          or to http://www.regulations.gov by using the electronic comment form provided

                                                          on that site. Comments submitted electronically must include Docket No.
                                                          CRM 104 in the subject box. You may also view an electronic version of
                                                          this rule at the http://www.regulations.gov site.

                                                          So write them. Not that it will do any good.

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                                                          • GatorB
                                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                            • 18208

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by BoyAlley

                                                            No these are PROPOSED rules. There's a period of public comment now before they're entered into law.
                                                            Yes I know.

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                                                            • IllTestYourGirls
                                                              Ah My Balls
                                                              • Feb 2007
                                                              • 14311

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by BoyAlley

                                                              No these are PROPOSED rules. There's a period of public comment now before they're entered into law.
                                                              Then I guess people should start commenting. Have an address to make such comments?...oops thanks Gator

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                                                              • BoyAlley
                                                                So Fucking Gay
                                                                • Nov 2004
                                                                • 19714

                                                                #32
                                                                Other than clarifying the foreign ID muck, that seems to be about it as far as I can tell.

                                                                Basically it just confirms that secondary producers are now as fucked as primary producers, and adds some more stupid unnecessary crap like having to put our address on EVERY SINGLE PAGE that a sexually explicit depiction appears instead of just using a link, that live cam houses have to record "part" of the performance, and that now even fully clothed people might be covered by 2257, etc. etc.

                                                                Sucks bad.

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                                                                • Compdoctor
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Aug 2001
                                                                  • 1937

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by BoyAlley

                                                                  No, there appear to be exceptions that are specifically written exclude hollywood from the regs.
                                                                  That makes it unconstitutional under the bill or rights. you know where it talks about Equal Protection




                                                                  but then, Bush is still in office.
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                                                                  • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                    Ah My Balls
                                                                    • Feb 2007
                                                                    • 14311

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Compdoctor
                                                                    That makes it unconstitutional under the bill or rights. you know where it talks about Equal Protection




                                                                    but then, Bush is still in office.
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                                                                    • GatorB
                                                                      The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                      • Oct 2001
                                                                      • 18208

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                      So a girl posing nude, spreading etc in pics I bought years ago require no documentation? Not too shabby. Unless I missed something.
                                                                      Nope. How can they expect you do have records of something when it wasn't required or even proposed to be required when you obtained the material? That's why porn movies made before 1990 don't have to have 2257 info.

                                                                      Good question though GatorB.. I suppose you'd better file and save the receipts, and content licenses which you normally sign and date anyway.
                                                                      Well it doesn't matter WHEN you bought them. It matters when the content was origanally produced. Obviously if you bought it before July 27, 2006 then it was produced then.

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                                                                      • ilbb
                                                                        Confirmed User
                                                                        • May 2005
                                                                        • 3025

                                                                        #36
                                                                        The new regs specifically includes COMPLETELY CLOTHED individuals that are posing in a sexually suggestive manner.
                                                                        That's crazy, will I need 2257 info for teasing pictures like these?

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                                                                        • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                          Ah My Balls
                                                                          • Feb 2007
                                                                          • 14311

                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by ilbb
                                                                          That's crazy, will I need 2257 info for teasing pictures like these?

                                                                          YES! Their fucking ankles are showing! super sexy makes me hard!

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                                                                          • GatorB
                                                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                            • 18208

                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by BoyAlley
                                                                            Other than clarifying the foreign ID muck, that seems to be about it as far as I can tell.

                                                                            Basically it just confirms that secondary producers are now as fucked as primary producers, and adds some more stupid unnecessary crap like having to put our address on EVERY SINGLE PAGE that a sexually explicit depiction appears instead of just using a link, that live cam houses have to record "part" of the performance, and that now even fully clothed people might be covered by 2257, etc. etc.

                                                                            Sucks bad.
                                                                            Yes and that's YOUR address not he address of the original producer as 99% of people that have 2257 links on their sites do.

                                                                            So if you do this out of your home and then your REAL name and your REAL address and your REAL phone number needs to be listed.

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                                                                            • Tom_PM
                                                                              Porn Meister
                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                              • 16443

                                                                              #39
                                                                              The proposed rule requires, per the statute, that the statement describing
                                                                              the location of the records required by this part be affixed to every
                                                                              page of a Web site (controlled by the producer) on which visual
                                                                              depictions of sexually explicit conduct appear.
                                                                              "affixed"? Is linking "affixing"? Why not?

                                                                              How about a mouseover tooltip ballon? It's in the code, it's on the page, it's affixed isn't it? hmmmm..
                                                                              43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                                              • leedsfan
                                                                                leedsfan
                                                                                • Jul 2002
                                                                                • 2564

                                                                                #40
                                                                                thats the way i read it. I'll give you more feedback in a couple of hours, as we're having a legal panel here at the show to discuss this very issue in detail
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                                                                                • BoyAlley
                                                                                  So Fucking Gay
                                                                                  • Nov 2004
                                                                                  • 19714

                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by GatorB
                                                                                  Yes and that's YOUR address not he address of the original producer as 99% of people that have 2257 links on their sites do.

                                                                                  So if you do this out of your home and then your REAL name and your REAL address and your REAL phone number needs to be listed.
                                                                                  That's correct, a secondary producer is required by law to maintain and cross reference all records in the same way that a primary producer is, and the secondary producer's address must be on EVERY page of EVERY site that they own, and secondary producers must be available 20 hours per week at that location for inspection.

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                                                                                  • Tom_PM
                                                                                    Porn Meister
                                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                                    • 16443

                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by leedsfan
                                                                                    thats the way i read it. I'll give you more feedback in a couple of hours, as we're having a legal panel here at the show to discuss this very issue in detail
                                                                                    Perfect!
                                                                                    43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                                                    • jigga
                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                      • May 2001
                                                                                      • 302

                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by BoyAlley
                                                                                      That's correct, a secondary producer is required by law to maintain and cross reference all records in the same way that a primary producer is, and the secondary producer's address must be on EVERY page of EVERY site that they own, and secondary producers must be available 20 hours per week at that location for inspection.
                                                                                      wow eh, if this passes than there will be a ton of US webmasters closing up shop.

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                                                                                      • Tom_PM
                                                                                        Porn Meister
                                                                                        • Feb 2005
                                                                                        • 16443

                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Affixing is attaching. So what is linking? Seems to me it would be attaching one page to another, but I'm no lawyer! It'll all shake out.
                                                                                        43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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                                                                                        • BoyAlley
                                                                                          So Fucking Gay
                                                                                          • Nov 2004
                                                                                          • 19714

                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by PR_Tom
                                                                                          "affixed"? Is linking "affixing"? Why not?

                                                                                          How about a mouseover tooltip ballon? It's in the code, it's on the page, it's affixed isn't it? hmmmm..
                                                                                          It specifically excludes the use of "pop-ups" and "links" and specifically states that your name and address must appear on each page of the site where there's explicit material.
                                                                                          Last edited by BoyAlley; 07-12-2007, 09:51 AM.

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                                                                                          • jonesonyou
                                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                                            • Sep 2003
                                                                                            • 3853

                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Good thing the Intern is in the office today. The Job of the Intern is to read this to me and make the necessary changes. Thanks for the headsup.

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                                                                                            • GatorB
                                                                                              The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                              • Oct 2001
                                                                                              • 18208

                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Fuck these bullshit rules. I hope someone sues the government after this is all passed( and you kow it will be ) and ties this is court for years like COPA. No way secondary prodcuers should have to keep records.

                                                                                              Ok so say Scene 1 from Ass Fucked BIATCHES #87 is on 1000 sites. Why would the government bother checking 1000 sites who had NOTHING to do with making of this movie, when it would be easier to check the records of the ORGINAL PRODUCER who actually made the product in the first place? Seems like an incredible waste of time, manpower and money.

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                                                                                              • BoyAlley
                                                                                                So Fucking Gay
                                                                                                • Nov 2004
                                                                                                • 19714

                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by jonesonyou
                                                                                                Good thing the Intern is in the office today. The Job of the Intern is to read this to me and make the necessary changes. Thanks for the headsup.

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                                                                                                • ilbb
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • May 2005
                                                                                                  • 3025

                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by jigga
                                                                                                  wow eh, if this passes than there will be a ton of US webmasters closing up shop.
                                                                                                  Yep, if I was US webmaster I would rather go work to MCDonald.

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                                                                                                  • Tom_PM
                                                                                                    Porn Meister
                                                                                                    • Feb 2005
                                                                                                    • 16443

                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Like if I mouseover the yellow "New Thread" button and it shows the alt text balloon saying "Post New Thread", thats a "pop-up"? No wayyyy arghhhhhh
                                                                                                    43-922-863 Shut up and play your guitar.

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