Michael Moore Responds to CNN's claims that he "Fudged the Facts"
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Ahh didn't read that sorry.Geeze, seriously, I know I type a lot but does anyone take the time to read what I write?
I said MM said in an interview with Leno that he (MM) thought private insurance should be gone and the government take over healthcare completely. I said I disagreed with MM on this.
I hope that's easier to understand
However he's simply trying to provoke *mad views*. If you think this is something that could or ever would happen then.....
The fact is, private healthcare would always be around for those with the means and desire to purchase it.TripleXPrint on Megan Fox
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No he may actually be saying that you shouldn't be allowed to opt out of the system, and he has a point if he is. You're not allowed to opt out of many programs that are federally funded, because it would leave them underfunded.
Well, you can opt out of the program itself, but you can't opt out of paying your taxes for it.Comment
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You might be thinking of Blue Cross. It's private insurance, 'supplemental' to government provided health care, covering whats deemed the non-critical side of things; dental, vision, prescription drugs, homecare, shit like that.Originally posted by peachesI could be wrong (as I often am) but doesn't every other country with socialized medicine - you know, the countries everyone else is saying are so great - offer a private insurance option? I know Canada does because when I worked for a Canadian company, all of our employees who could afford it bought it.
Our system up here is not perfect, it needs a lot of fixing for sure, and I was hoping Moore would have pointed that out more in Sicko cuz it left him open for jabs later on, little jabs easily defended.
One reason wait times in Canada are longer for specialists and procedures is because of a shortage of doctors, to my understanding. In what we call the brain drain, we lose a lot of our university educated professionals to higher paying jobs south of the border and we especially feel it in health care. Especially in rural areas where few doctors with a taste of the city life want to end up.Comment
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He may be THINKING that, but he clearly said we should do away with private health insurance completely. If it's repeated - watch it ;)No he may actually be saying that you shouldn't be allowed to opt out of the system, and he has a point if he is. You're not allowed to opt out of many programs that are federally funded, because it would leave them underfunded.
Well, you can opt out of the program itself, but you can't opt out of paying your taxes for it.
While I would certainly love to opt out of paying into the program, I know that will never happen - just like you still pay taxes for the public school system even if you send your kids to private (something else I think the private sector does better than the government
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I love lefties.
One side of their mouth.
Government is bad Fuck the government. Government has no idea what they are doing. Government needs to stay the fuck out of our lives!
Other side of their mouth.
The government should be running our health care system. Let them control it all... Silly Silly.Comment
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WHAT???Again, for those of you who think private insurance is a rip off, insure yourselves. Put the money you'd spend on premiums into an interest bearing account and use the money to pay your medical bills as they come. Most of you won't do that because you KNOW insurance usually pays out more than you pay in - those evil, horrible companies ;)
It's a business... for a small percentage of the people it pays out more, the rest of the people cover it. That's how all insurance companies work. They're not in business as a charity.Comment
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I love people who lack the intelligence & thinking process to see past the leftside / rightside mentality and can't focus on what's better for the people.I love lefties.
One side of their mouth.
Government is bad Fuck the government. Government has no idea what they are doing. Government needs to stay the fuck out of our lives!
Other side of their mouth.
The government should be running our health care system. Let them control it all... Silly Silly.Comment
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If they paid out more then they took in they wouldnt be in business and united health care couldnt have paid its chairman a 500 million dollar bonus.
Also Peaches if it all went gov wouldnt that kill medical coding which you have been studying?Comment
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Actually 80% of the medical coding is done for Medicare/caid - another reason my doctor doesn't accept Medicare/caid patients - he can put his procedures into about 500 different codes whereas Medicare/caid is VERY strict and to be honest, makes a lot of "busy work" and costs hospitals and other providers millions a year if it's not done the way Medicare/caid wants it. In order to get payment from the government, the providers spend millions in salaries so the claims aren't completely turned down. It's why it's such a fast growing field.
In actuality, the more government gets into healthcare, the better off I am at owning a coding company and the more money I'll make.
That doesn't mean I want the government to manage MY heathcare for me.Comment
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Well you are TELLING me what I think is not better for people. That would be a pretty clear case of you telling my opinion was wrong... lol anywho no time for squables tonight was just blowing some steam off for a bit.Comment
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Just so I got it straight, Lefties talking out both sides of their mouths has something to do with what's better for the people?Comment
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Well lets see since they all think our government is retarded, it would be a good thing to let a retarded person handle our health care needs.
You'll catch on.Comment
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Stereotyping, another sign of greater intelligence.
I don't think our gov't is retarded, I think that the people allowing our Gov't to operate the way they do are 100% responsible for the problems. Hopefully, that will change, but somehow I doubt it.Comment
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Don't you think this is ludicrous that a company would try to weasel its way out of paying a valid claim because it didnt get notified within two days? I would understand giving the party a month.Comment
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Ok lets feel this out... You dont think our goverment will solve its current issues, and yet you want to add on a huge burdensome health care system onto it.... hmmm This sounds like a solid plan. Lets move forward with it IMMEDIATELY!
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When did I say I wanted the Gov't to run the healthcare? But I also don't want Insurance & Pharmaceutical companies controlling our Gov't, like they do now.Last edited by aico; 07-11-2007, 06:09 PM.Comment
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Our office is pretty happy with Medicare payments. They are more reliable than most insurance company payments.Comment
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Sticky,I love lefties.
One side of their mouth.
Government is bad Fuck the government. Government has no idea what they are doing. Government needs to stay the fuck out of our lives!
Other side of their mouth.
The government should be running our health care system. Let them control it all... Silly Silly.
I personally don't want this current administration to run things any more - Im willing to give a new Executive branch the benefit of the doubt. Please ask your friends if they can resign now. The American public sure wants it that way.Comment
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I would say it depends on what the contract says. I doubt the providers don't KNOW what the contract says - you have lazy workers who don't get the claims processed on time. If you sign a contract that says 48 hours then don't expect them to take the claim after 30 days.Comment
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You're lucky - and must have good coders
I was just reading where there was over $28bil (yes, that's with "b") in Medicare fraud in 2005. With Medicaid, state funded medical plans and private insurance added in it totaled $77bil. Seems we should be looking towards some of that to get the ball rolling on getting medical costs down.Comment
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The executive branch has little to do with it. Its a demmy majority right now, what universal health care bills are currently trying to be passed?Comment
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The Department of Health and Human Services falls under the control of the Secretary of HHS, an Executive Branch appointee. They would probably oversee whatever expansion of Medicare or new health care system.
What do you fail to understand about my statement? And please don't answer with some non-sequitur about its Clinton's fault/Democrats can't manage anything.Comment
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Ok you do realize that is a state bill right?Comment
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It would require a bill to be passed and made into a law. The only thing the executive branch would have to do with it would be if it was vetoed. Not sure what point you are trying to make.The Department of Health and Human Services falls under the control of the Secretary of HHS, an Executive Branch appointee. They would probably oversee whatever expansion of Medicare or new health care system.
What do you fail to understand about my statement? And please don't answer with some non-sequitur about its Clinton's fault/Democrats can't manage anything.Comment
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Yes, but, it's a start. If it works there, people may catch on, if it doesn't, then we can see why it didn't work. California is a pretty big fucking place, not sure what it's ranked today but it was the 5th largest economy in the world.
You can't just flip a switch and say "ok, healthcare is on".Comment
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Tennessee has had TennCare for years. Its a mismanaged mess that has nearly collapsed several times. Lots of states already have free health care of some sort.Yes, but, it's a start. If it works there, people may catch on, if it doesn't, then we can see why it didn't work. California is a pretty big fucking place, not sure what it's ranked today but it was the 5th largest economy in the world.
You can't just flip a switch and say "ok, healthcare is on".Comment
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Id be more inclined to endorse a state system over federal. Still has problems though. Does it cover you if you are in a different state and get hurt etc etc.Comment
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So why can most first world countries manage to implement universal healthcare and make it so popular even conservatives support it?Comment
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I think you're confusing government with the people who run it.-uno
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You know as well as I that if it were passed it would be vetoed and they don't have a 2/3 majority to override the veto.-uno
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You were saying how liberals want the government to provide health care and Im saying yes, but we dont want the current Executive branch running universal health care.Comment
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Why are doctors no longer taking them? Slow payments is the #1 reason. My personal doctor hasn't taken Medicare/caid patients in years. He was LOSING money taking them. Just like a lot of landlords won't rent to Section 8 tenants - free money? Yeah - with a lot of strings attached and it can take months for that first check to come in.
Please tell me you're not this stupid. You've said a lot of ignorant things in this thread but these two points are completely off track.
First off, there are not many doctors that will not take Medicare and if there are ones out there that won't it's not because of 'the strings attached' or that 'payments take months', there are much more strings attached with insurance companies and an insurance company will delay payments a hell of a lot more. The reason a doctor would not take Medicare is because the profits are a lot lower than with the privates. Medicare/Medicaid has a pre-determined amount it will pay out on medical procedures, the privates do not.
A very good friend of mine is a Urologist and he explained how this works. Say someone needs an operation. If they have private insurance they would charge an insurance company $50,000 (obviously an example), for the same operation Medicare will only pay out $30,000. The doctors, surgeons, hospital, etc still make a profit JUST NOT AS MUCH. Now here's the kicker, if that same person needs an operation and DOES NOT HAVE ANY COVERAGE they will get charged $70,000...why? Because they can. The health care industry and the pharmacutical companies have created this problem, not the insurance companies. These industries are all about how much profit they can make, not helping people.
And as far as your other ignorant statement about landlords and section 8, I have owned many rental properties throughout the years and I have rented to section 8. With section 8 I ALWAYS knew I would get the rent, THAT was the good thing. The bad thing, and the reason why many landlords won't do it is because section 8's damage the property more often and there is an overall less concern about keeping up the condition of the property, it certainly isnt due to waiting months for the rent.Comment
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Its gotta be painful to watch tv in states if you have IQ over Bush...Comment



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