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  • Peaches
    Old broad
    • Oct 2002
    • 13933

    #101
    Originally posted by dig420
    I'm no healthcare expert, but I believe that you can also get private coverage in most countries that have state health care if you can afford it. I would do it. I would have two or three seperate policies right now, one thru the biz and one private one except that under this system both companies would try to deny you treatment on the basis that they are not your primary provider.

    When it comes to your health you cover your ass the best you can afford.
    So Dig, we just spent 2 pages arguing when we agree with each other?!!

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    • georgeyw
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      • Jul 2005
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      #102
      Originally posted by Peaches
      Geeze, seriously, I know I type a lot but does anyone take the time to read what I write?

      I said MM said in an interview with Leno that he (MM) thought private insurance should be gone and the government take over healthcare completely. I said I disagreed with MM on this.

      I hope that's easier to understand
      Ahh didn't read that sorry.

      However he's simply trying to provoke *mad views*. If you think this is something that could or ever would happen then.....

      The fact is, private healthcare would always be around for those with the means and desire to purchase it.
      TripleXPrint on Megan Fox
      "I would STILL suck her pussy until her face caved in. And then blow her up and do it again!"

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      • dig420
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        • May 2001
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        #103
        Originally posted by Peaches
        So Dig, we just spent 2 pages arguing when we agree with each other?!!
        No. Just because *I* can afford something doesn't mean I'm going to forget about the millions who can't. This country needs universal health care in a bad way.

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        • dig420
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          • May 2001
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          #104
          Originally posted by georgeyw
          Ahh didn't read that sorry.

          However he's simply trying to provoke *mad views*. If you think this is something that could or ever would happen then.....

          The fact is, private healthcare would always be around for those with the means and desire to purchase it.
          No he may actually be saying that you shouldn't be allowed to opt out of the system, and he has a point if he is. You're not allowed to opt out of many programs that are federally funded, because it would leave them underfunded.

          Well, you can opt out of the program itself, but you can't opt out of paying your taxes for it.

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          • Doug E
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            • Sep 2005
            • 511

            #105
            Originally posted by peaches
            I could be wrong (as I often am) but doesn't every other country with socialized medicine - you know, the countries everyone else is saying are so great - offer a private insurance option? I know Canada does because when I worked for a Canadian company, all of our employees who could afford it bought it.
            You might be thinking of Blue Cross. It's private insurance, 'supplemental' to government provided health care, covering whats deemed the non-critical side of things; dental, vision, prescription drugs, homecare, shit like that.

            Our system up here is not perfect, it needs a lot of fixing for sure, and I was hoping Moore would have pointed that out more in Sicko cuz it left him open for jabs later on, little jabs easily defended.

            One reason wait times in Canada are longer for specialists and procedures is because of a shortage of doctors, to my understanding. In what we call the brain drain, we lose a lot of our university educated professionals to higher paying jobs south of the border and we especially feel it in health care. Especially in rural areas where few doctors with a taste of the city life want to end up.
            Last edited by Doug E; 07-11-2007, 04:39 PM. Reason: grammar

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            • Doug E
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              • Sep 2005
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              #106
              Originally posted by TampaToker
              There is a alert that went out last month to grocery stores here in my county instructing them to report large purchases of cat food and dog food by seniors becuase they know whats coming...
              You got me curious, whats them buying dog and cat food indicative of ?

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              • Peaches
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                • Oct 2002
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                #107
                Originally posted by dig420
                No he may actually be saying that you shouldn't be allowed to opt out of the system, and he has a point if he is. You're not allowed to opt out of many programs that are federally funded, because it would leave them underfunded.

                Well, you can opt out of the program itself, but you can't opt out of paying your taxes for it.
                He may be THINKING that, but he clearly said we should do away with private health insurance completely. If it's repeated - watch it ;)

                While I would certainly love to opt out of paying into the program, I know that will never happen - just like you still pay taxes for the public school system even if you send your kids to private (something else I think the private sector does better than the government )

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                • stickyfingerz
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                  • Oct 2005
                  • 24984

                  #108
                  Originally posted by dig420
                  nah we should all shut the hell up and take what they give us like REAL patriots, like you and sticky.
                  You can group me in with Holly any day.

                  I love how anyone who doesnt love all the spew Mikey froths from the gapping hole in his head must be brainwashed.

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                  • stickyfingerz
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                    • Oct 2005
                    • 24984

                    #109
                    I love lefties.

                    One side of their mouth.

                    Government is bad Fuck the government. Government has no idea what they are doing. Government needs to stay the fuck out of our lives!

                    Other side of their mouth.


                    The government should be running our health care system. Let them control it all... Silly Silly.

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                    • stev0
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                      • Aug 2003
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                      #110
                      Originally posted by Peaches
                      Again, for those of you who think private insurance is a rip off, insure yourselves. Put the money you'd spend on premiums into an interest bearing account and use the money to pay your medical bills as they come. Most of you won't do that because you KNOW insurance usually pays out more than you pay in - those evil, horrible companies ;)
                      WHAT???

                      It's a business... for a small percentage of the people it pays out more, the rest of the people cover it. That's how all insurance companies work. They're not in business as a charity.

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                      • aico
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                        • Mar 2004
                        • 14748

                        #111
                        Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                        I love lefties.

                        One side of their mouth.

                        Government is bad Fuck the government. Government has no idea what they are doing. Government needs to stay the fuck out of our lives!

                        Other side of their mouth.


                        The government should be running our health care system. Let them control it all... Silly Silly.
                        I love people who lack the intelligence & thinking process to see past the leftside / rightside mentality and can't focus on what's better for the people.

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                        • tony299
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                          #112
                          Originally posted by stev0
                          WHAT???

                          It's a business... for a small percentage of the people it pays out more, the rest of the people cover it. That's how all insurance companies work. They're not in business as a charity.
                          If they paid out more then they took in they wouldnt be in business and united health care couldnt have paid its chairman a 500 million dollar bonus.
                          Also Peaches if it all went gov wouldnt that kill medical coding which you have been studying?

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                          • tony299
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                            #113
                            Originally posted by aico
                            I love people who lack the intelligence & thinking process to see past the leftside / rightside mentality and can't focus on what's better for the people.
                            Cant blame him he is home all day.

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                            • directfiesta
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                              • Oct 2002
                              • 30179

                              #114
                              Originally posted by tony404
                              Cant blame him he is home all day.



                              but in 20 days, he is revolutionizing the model of the adult business ...
                              I know that Asspimple is stoopid ... As he says, it is a FACT !

                              But I can't figure out how he can breathe or type , at the same time ....

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                              • Peaches
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                                • Oct 2002
                                • 13933

                                #115
                                Originally posted by tony404
                                If they paid out more then they took in they wouldnt be in business and united health care couldnt have paid its chairman a 500 million dollar bonus.
                                Also Peaches if it all went gov wouldnt that kill medical coding which you have been studying?
                                Actually 80% of the medical coding is done for Medicare/caid - another reason my doctor doesn't accept Medicare/caid patients - he can put his procedures into about 500 different codes whereas Medicare/caid is VERY strict and to be honest, makes a lot of "busy work" and costs hospitals and other providers millions a year if it's not done the way Medicare/caid wants it. In order to get payment from the government, the providers spend millions in salaries so the claims aren't completely turned down. It's why it's such a fast growing field.

                                In actuality, the more government gets into healthcare, the better off I am at owning a coding company and the more money I'll make.

                                That doesn't mean I want the government to manage MY heathcare for me.

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                                • TampaToker
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                                  #116
                                  Originally posted by Doug E
                                  You got me curious, whats them buying dog and cat food indicative of ?
                                  Well they are fearing seniors are going to spend there money of the much needed drugs to live then to buy food and return eat dog and cat food
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                                  • stickyfingerz
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                                    • Oct 2005
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                                    #117
                                    Originally posted by aico
                                    I love people who lack the intelligence & thinking process to see past the leftside / rightside mentality and can't focus on what's better for the people.
                                    So because we see it differently then we must be wrong... HYSTERICAL!!

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                                    • aico
                                      Moo Moo Cow
                                      • Mar 2004
                                      • 14748

                                      #118
                                      Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                      So because we see it differently then we must be wrong... HYSTERICAL!!
                                      First: I am glad you just admitted to be one of those people I described.

                                      Second: wrong about what? Did you state a fact? I must have missed it, all I saw was an opinion.

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                                      • stickyfingerz
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                                        #119
                                        Originally posted by aico
                                        First: I am glad you just admitted to be one of those people I described.

                                        Second: wrong about what? Did you state a fact? I must have missed it, all I saw was an opinion.
                                        opinion think about that....

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                                        • aico
                                          Moo Moo Cow
                                          • Mar 2004
                                          • 14748

                                          #120
                                          Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                          opinion think about that....
                                          no one said your opinion was wrong, think about that...

                                          Poking Smot over there or what?

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                                          • stickyfingerz
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                                            • Oct 2005
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                                            #121
                                            Originally posted by aico
                                            I love people who lack the intelligence & thinking process to see past the leftside / rightside mentality and can't focus on what's better for the people.
                                            Originally posted by aico
                                            no one said your opinion was wrong, think about that...

                                            Poking Smot over there or what?
                                            Well you are TELLING me what I think is not better for people. That would be a pretty clear case of you telling my opinion was wrong... lol anywho no time for squables tonight was just blowing some steam off for a bit.

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                                            • aico
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                                              • Mar 2004
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                                              #122
                                              Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                              Well you are TELLING me what I think is not better for people. That would be a pretty clear case of you telling my opinion was wrong... lol anywho no time for squables tonight was just blowing some steam off for a bit.
                                              Just so I got it straight, Lefties talking out both sides of their mouths has something to do with what's better for the people?

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                                              • stickyfingerz
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                                                #123
                                                Originally posted by aico
                                                Just so I got it straight, Lefties talking out both sides of their mouths has something to do with what's better for the people?
                                                Well lets see since they all think our government is retarded, it would be a good thing to let a retarded person handle our health care needs.

                                                You'll catch on.

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                                                • aico
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                                                  • Mar 2004
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                                                  #124
                                                  Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                  Well lets see since they all think our government is retarded, it would be a good thing to let a retarded person handle our health care needs.

                                                  You'll catch on.
                                                  Stereotyping, another sign of greater intelligence.

                                                  I don't think our gov't is retarded, I think that the people allowing our Gov't to operate the way they do are 100% responsible for the problems. Hopefully, that will change, but somehow I doubt it.

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                                                  • smashface
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                                                    #125
                                                    Originally posted by Peaches
                                                    It also says "preapproved" but says the HOSPITAL has 48 hours to get that "preapproval" AFTER the ambulance ride. If the HOSPITAL doesn't get the approval then because of the contract they have with my insurance company
                                                    Don't you think this is ludicrous that a company would try to weasel its way out of paying a valid claim because it didnt get notified within two days? I would understand giving the party a month.

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                                                    • stickyfingerz
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                                                      #126
                                                      Originally posted by aico
                                                      Stereotyping, another sign of greater intelligence.

                                                      I don't think our gov't is retarded, I think that the people allowing our Gov't to operate the way they do are 100% responsible for the problems. Hopefully, that will change, but somehow I doubt it.
                                                      Ok lets feel this out... You dont think our goverment will solve its current issues, and yet you want to add on a huge burdensome health care system onto it.... hmmm This sounds like a solid plan. Lets move forward with it IMMEDIATELY!

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                                                      • aico
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                                                        • Mar 2004
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                                                        #127
                                                        Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                        Ok lets feel this out... You dont think our goverment will solve its current issues, and yet you want to add on a huge burdensome health care system onto it.... hmmm This sounds like a solid plan. Lets move forward with it IMMEDIATELY!
                                                        When did I say I wanted the Gov't to run the healthcare? But I also don't want Insurance & Pharmaceutical companies controlling our Gov't, like they do now.
                                                        Last edited by aico; 07-11-2007, 06:09 PM.

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                                                        • smashface
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                                                          #128
                                                          Originally posted by Peaches
                                                          And if Medicare and Medicaid are so great, why are more and more doctors refusing Medicare/caid patients? Sure the "customers" are happy - they get free care. The welfare mother is happy with her food stamps too.
                                                          Our office is pretty happy with Medicare payments. They are more reliable than most insurance company payments.

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                                                          • smashface
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                                                            #129
                                                            Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                            I love lefties.

                                                            One side of their mouth.

                                                            Government is bad Fuck the government. Government has no idea what they are doing. Government needs to stay the fuck out of our lives!

                                                            Other side of their mouth.


                                                            The government should be running our health care system. Let them control it all... Silly Silly.
                                                            Sticky,

                                                            I personally don't want this current administration to run things any more - Im willing to give a new Executive branch the benefit of the doubt. Please ask your friends if they can resign now. The American public sure wants it that way.

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                                                            • Peaches
                                                              Old broad
                                                              • Oct 2002
                                                              • 13933

                                                              #130
                                                              Originally posted by smashface
                                                              Don't you think this is ludicrous that a company would try to weasel its way out of paying a valid claim because it didnt get notified within two days? I would understand giving the party a month.
                                                              I would say it depends on what the contract says. I doubt the providers don't KNOW what the contract says - you have lazy workers who don't get the claims processed on time. If you sign a contract that says 48 hours then don't expect them to take the claim after 30 days.

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                                                              • stickyfingerz
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                                                                #131
                                                                Originally posted by aico
                                                                When did I say I wanted the Gov't to run the healthcare? But I also don't want Insurance & Pharmaceutical companies controlling our Gov't, like they do now.
                                                                Hmm you must be confused one what Mikey wants then...

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                                                                • Peaches
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                                                                  • Oct 2002
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                                                                  #132
                                                                  Originally posted by smashface
                                                                  Our office is pretty happy with Medicare payments. They are more reliable than most insurance company payments.
                                                                  You're lucky - and must have good coders

                                                                  I was just reading where there was over $28bil (yes, that's with "b") in Medicare fraud in 2005. With Medicaid, state funded medical plans and private insurance added in it totaled $77bil. Seems we should be looking towards some of that to get the ball rolling on getting medical costs down.

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                                                                  • stickyfingerz
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                                                                    #133
                                                                    Originally posted by smashface
                                                                    Sticky,

                                                                    I personally don't want this current administration to run things any more - Im willing to give a new Executive branch the benefit of the doubt. Please ask your friends if they can resign now. The American public sure wants it that way.
                                                                    The executive branch has little to do with it. Its a demmy majority right now, what universal health care bills are currently trying to be passed?

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                                                                    • aico
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                                                                      • Mar 2004
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                                                                      #134
                                                                      Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                      Hmm you must be confused one what Mikey wants then...
                                                                      Better healthcare for Americans? All Americans having healthcare?

                                                                      God, he must be nuts.

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                                                                      • stickyfingerz
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                                                                        #135
                                                                        Originally posted by aico
                                                                        Better healthcare for Americans? All Americans having healthcare?

                                                                        God, he must be nuts.
                                                                        Umm ok so how exactly do you propose that gets done?

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                                                                        • smashface
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                                                                          #136
                                                                          Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                          The executive branch has little to do with it. Its a demmy majority right now, what universal health care bills are currently trying to be passed?
                                                                          The Department of Health and Human Services falls under the control of the Secretary of HHS, an Executive Branch appointee. They would probably oversee whatever expansion of Medicare or new health care system.

                                                                          What do you fail to understand about my statement? And please don't answer with some non-sequitur about its Clinton's fault/Democrats can't manage anything.

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                                                                          • aico
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                                                                            #137
                                                                            Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                            The executive branch has little to do with it. Its a demmy majority right now, what universal health care bills are currently trying to be passed?
                                                                            http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...NGBSKR3RA1.DTL

                                                                            http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...p?newsid=73865

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                                                                            • stickyfingerz
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                                                                              #138
                                                                              Ok you do realize that is a state bill right?

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                                                                              • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                #139
                                                                                Originally posted by smashface
                                                                                The Department of Health and Human Services falls under the control of the Secretary of HHS, an Executive Branch appointee. They would probably oversee whatever expansion of Medicare or new health care system.

                                                                                What do you fail to understand about my statement? And please don't answer with some non-sequitur about its Clinton's fault/Democrats can't manage anything.
                                                                                It would require a bill to be passed and made into a law. The only thing the executive branch would have to do with it would be if it was vetoed. Not sure what point you are trying to make.

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                                                                                • aico
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                                                                                  #140
                                                                                  Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                  Umm ok so how exactly do you propose that gets done?
                                                                                  Fuck if I know, but i know what is going on now is insane & wrong.

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                                                                                  • aico
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                                                                                    #141
                                                                                    Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                    Ok you do realize that is a state bill right?
                                                                                    Yes, but, it's a start. If it works there, people may catch on, if it doesn't, then we can see why it didn't work. California is a pretty big fucking place, not sure what it's ranked today but it was the 5th largest economy in the world.

                                                                                    You can't just flip a switch and say "ok, healthcare is on".

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                                                                                    • aico
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                                                                                      #142
                                                                                      Actually the more I think about it, the more I think that State managed healthcare would have a much higher chance of success than Federal.

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                                                                                      • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                        #143
                                                                                        Originally posted by aico
                                                                                        Yes, but, it's a start. If it works there, people may catch on, if it doesn't, then we can see why it didn't work. California is a pretty big fucking place, not sure what it's ranked today but it was the 5th largest economy in the world.

                                                                                        You can't just flip a switch and say "ok, healthcare is on".
                                                                                        Tennessee has had TennCare for years. Its a mismanaged mess that has nearly collapsed several times. Lots of states already have free health care of some sort.

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                                                                                        • stickyfingerz
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                                                                                          #144
                                                                                          Originally posted by aico
                                                                                          Actually the more I think about it, the more I think that State managed healthcare would have a much higher chance of success than Federal.
                                                                                          Id be more inclined to endorse a state system over federal. Still has problems though. Does it cover you if you are in a different state and get hurt etc etc.

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                                                                                          • Porn Farmer
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                                                                                            #145
                                                                                            Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                            Tennessee has had TennCare for years. Its a mismanaged mess that has nearly collapsed several times. Lots of states already have free health care of some sort.
                                                                                            So why can most first world countries manage to implement universal healthcare and make it so popular even conservatives support it?

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                                                                                            • uno
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                                                                                              #146
                                                                                              Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                              Ok lets feel this out... You dont think our goverment will solve its current issues, and yet you want to add on a huge burdensome health care system onto it.... hmmm This sounds like a solid plan. Lets move forward with it IMMEDIATELY!
                                                                                              I think you're confusing government with the people who run it.
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                                                                                              • uno
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                                                                                                #147
                                                                                                Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                The executive branch has little to do with it. Its a demmy majority right now, what universal health care bills are currently trying to be passed?
                                                                                                You know as well as I that if it were passed it would be vetoed and they don't have a 2/3 majority to override the veto.
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                                                                                                • smashface
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                                                                                                  #148
                                                                                                  Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                  It would require a bill to be passed and made into a law. The only thing the executive branch would have to do with it would be if it was vetoed. Not sure what point you are trying to make.
                                                                                                  You were saying how liberals want the government to provide health care and Im saying yes, but we dont want the current Executive branch running universal health care.

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                                                                                                  • SuckOnThis
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                                                                                                    • Oct 2003
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                                                                                                    #149
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Peaches

                                                                                                    Why are doctors no longer taking them? Slow payments is the #1 reason. My personal doctor hasn't taken Medicare/caid patients in years. He was LOSING money taking them. Just like a lot of landlords won't rent to Section 8 tenants - free money? Yeah - with a lot of strings attached and it can take months for that first check to come in.

                                                                                                    Please tell me you're not this stupid. You've said a lot of ignorant things in this thread but these two points are completely off track.

                                                                                                    First off, there are not many doctors that will not take Medicare and if there are ones out there that won't it's not because of 'the strings attached' or that 'payments take months', there are much more strings attached with insurance companies and an insurance company will delay payments a hell of a lot more. The reason a doctor would not take Medicare is because the profits are a lot lower than with the privates. Medicare/Medicaid has a pre-determined amount it will pay out on medical procedures, the privates do not.

                                                                                                    A very good friend of mine is a Urologist and he explained how this works. Say someone needs an operation. If they have private insurance they would charge an insurance company $50,000 (obviously an example), for the same operation Medicare will only pay out $30,000. The doctors, surgeons, hospital, etc still make a profit JUST NOT AS MUCH. Now here's the kicker, if that same person needs an operation and DOES NOT HAVE ANY COVERAGE they will get charged $70,000...why? Because they can. The health care industry and the pharmacutical companies have created this problem, not the insurance companies. These industries are all about how much profit they can make, not helping people.

                                                                                                    And as far as your other ignorant statement about landlords and section 8, I have owned many rental properties throughout the years and I have rented to section 8. With section 8 I ALWAYS knew I would get the rent, THAT was the good thing. The bad thing, and the reason why many landlords won't do it is because section 8's damage the property more often and there is an overall less concern about keeping up the condition of the property, it certainly isnt due to waiting months for the rent.

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                                                                                                      #150
                                                                                                      Its gotta be painful to watch tv in states if you have IQ over Bush...

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