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Originally Posted by kane
The question is can you (or whoever is producing this porn) generate enough traffic without affiliates to sell enough porn to make it worth your while? I would guess for many companies the answer is no they couldn't.
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Yes this industry is it's stupidest moment decided to erect a barrier they now have to cross, to get sales. Without figuring that one out good luck selling the idea.
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I think this is misconception. Everyone I know who views porn on at least a semi-regular basis has a collection. They keep it. They might get rid of some of it, but they keep most of it just like they keep music and mainstream movies.
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I think you'll find most just go to Tubes and watch and go. The sale of hard drives did jump when online porn became available. but it would need Terra bytes to keep the stuff people DL today. Especially pirates.
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That is what Apple is offering up. I guess we will see how it works for music.
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If it works for music, it must work for porn. Just like bottled water and MacDonalds marketing works for porn. Whoops, no it doesn't.
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So you suggest only live cam style shows or streaming live shoots? You shoot porn. Do you think customers are going to want to sit through set changes and lighting changes and hearing directors tell people what to do? If you just set up a webcam and stream it live and let the actors do what they want then what about those who like a higher grade of porn and not just some amateur looking stream?
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It needs to be better organised than that. 1 site doing it for themselves is something few if any can afford. How many online porn sites can afford decent content today? It needs a rethink. The days of selling cheap "exclusive" content that's cloned everywhere are coming to an end. The customers are voting with their mouses.
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The problem is we gave the customer what they wanted instead of giving them what we wanted them have and now we are paying for it
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We gave the customer what suited affiliates. We built this part of porn on what affiliates wanted and we are paying for it today.
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This goes back to my earlier question. If you can generate traffic on your own, great. If not the affiliate is just as important to you as the customer is.
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Then the business is screwed. Because affiliates will demand more and more that costs more and more which will be taken from the cost of the product. That's the only thing that sell. If you need 100 interested people to look at what you have for 1 to buy. What you are selling isn't right. Today 1-100 is a very distant memory.
If 99% of affiliates disappeared this year, traffic would remain the same. Affiliates don't create surfers (traffic) they merely guide it. Too many affiliates = too many distractions. The customer is spoilt for choice. And the only way this industry seems to be able to get affiliates is high payout, tons of tools, support and it costs.
The result is simple. The product isn't good enough to get people to buy.
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Very true. The problem is that for this to happen you would need the industry to work together and that is like herding cats. It just won't happen. Short of the industry just drying up and dying on the vine there will be no sea change anytime soon. You could shoot a very specific niche and control your content so at least you had limited control.
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Agreed. the only thing they did agree on crippled the industry. Give affiliates everything they ask for.
I'm not blaming affiliates, even if it sounds like it. I'm blaming the fools who set up the whole system.
You don't have to do a lot to get men to look at porn.
You don't have to do a lot to get some to buy porn.
You just keep the customer happy and he keeps coming back.
The illusion is that people came online just to look at porn and the free porn created the traffic. Stupidity. Those people were coming online and would of found tours if there were 0 affiliates. The increase in porn traffic was due to the increase in people getting connected.
Any one around in 1995 will remember the awesome conversion rates from Newsgroups. Because buying porn was so much better than free porn. Today we've gone full circle. Free porn is far far better than paid porn.
The solution is simple, turn that around or make as much money as you can before you have to leave. Because the slide is still going down.
Harsh words, but true.