The VA is also socialised medicine, and it's much more efficient than the HMOs,
1% overhead versus 10-20% at the HMOs.
1% overhead versus 10-20% at the HMOs.
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not social medicine that is, that is like a robin hood medicine steal from rich give to the poor, with social medicine all is covered, not just the poor lazy fuckers who dont want to work or push out 38 babies a year, i am neither for or against itComment
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welfare niggers generally own "regular people" in life
Yeah they live in generally shitty neighborhoods, but they have a roof over their heads including heat, power, air, etc. It's easy enough for them to get high speed internet, cell phones, and cable TV. They drive around without insurance or registration. They don't have to work, and can hang out all day drinking, fucking, getting high or whatever other leisure activity they choose. They get free healthcare via state/federal programs or just use the ER. Pretty much the only major thing in life they cannot obtain is the ability to travel.
U.S. regular people work our asses off, pay a ton of taxes, struggle with scamming health insurance companies, etc yet what advantage do most people have other than a nicer home/car and a few more toys? They have way more stress/pressure and far less leisure time.
I say the welfare niggers OWN most middle class people.
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sounds like you haven't kept up to speed since you did your Masters.
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And if you were thinking of Walter Reed, it's not a VA hospital.Comment
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Socialized Medicine... Yea right !
I'm Canadian and we have proper health care up here... when we look down south of us we see our "big" brother saying how good it is down there and we see people on the streets and not getting proper health care service, it leave us asking questions...
Your health care really does not exist as it is in Canada... not even close... The best that you guys/ladies can do is get private insurance as to cover your very expensive private contracted out medical "services"... It's so bad that most of your insurance will not fully cover your medial costs...
I have spoke to those who came up to Canada from the states just for some medicine... I have also spoke to those who moved from the US to Canada or who lived down there and they told me stories...
I have always considered our brothers south of us as have a good education and overall smart... but for some reason I keep on hear BS that any educated person would shake their heads at !
The media seems to control every aspect of your lives... shit wake up !!!
Your country is moving away form a mainly capitalist system to a fascist structure... at least that is what my fairly educated friend keep pointing out to me using your media...
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At least they arent strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing shit up like the UKs versions of nigz.welfare niggers generally own "regular people" in life
Yeah they live in generally shitty neighborhoods, but they have a roof over their heads including heat, power, air, etc. It's easy enough for them to get high speed internet, cell phones, and cable TV. They drive around without insurance or registration. They don't have to work, and can hang out all day drinking, fucking, getting high or whatever other leisure activity they choose. They get free healthcare via state/federal programs or just use the ER. Pretty much the only major thing in life they cannot obtain is the ability to travel.
U.S. regular people work our asses off, pay a ton of taxes, struggle with scamming health insurance companies, etc yet what advantage do most people have other than a nicer home/car and a few more toys? They have way more stress/pressure and far less leisure time.
I say the welfare niggers OWN most middle class people.
The man here in the US has put a lot of thought into holding the black man down, yet giving him enough to keep him happy enough not to revolt.
The system is bitter sweet.
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Ok. So I stand corrected.
More power to the Anal Hobbit then.
You see Socialized Medicine already exisits in the US.
Welfare, Medicaid, Medicare, and the VA.
All of these providing excellent care.
So people stop your crying.
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The V.A. hospitals are a more appropriate example of socialized medicine than medicaid/medicare.
My father goes there, its just as good, if not better, than any local hospital.Last edited by gwkg; 07-07-2007, 11:23 AM.Comment
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Take 5 minutes to think. Is it possible for everyone to get FREE health care?
If so, that means the doctors don't get paid, right? Also they don't have insurance,
or training, or equipment, because there is noone paying for those things, right?
No, SOMEONE is paying, it's not free. The system you are talking about is
one in which EVERYONE who works is forced by the government to pay a specific
amount and recieve the exact same crappy healthcare as everyone else,
where everyone pays, but noone has any choice about what to pay for.
I was shopping for health insurenace yesterday. My top choice company had over 36
different health insurance options at different prices I could chooose from. Most of them
cost a lot less than what you are probably paying the government, and they give me access
to the best health care in the world, the kind that Europeans fly here and pay for out of
their own pockets when their life is on the line, if they can afford it after being forced
to pay for the lower quality care they may eventually get in their own country, if they
can get the procedure done in time.
Anything done by the government isn't free, that's friggin obvious.
It's just something you are forced to pay for through taxes, and to not only pay for
your OWN health care, but also for the health care of two other people who would
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Great... have you medical issues haded over to you military... Heck the US will go broke !
I really hope your Vets are taken care of !!!!
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Damn right, man. The MAN is holding you down, brother. That's why you got to work
at 1 PM - because of the MAN. The MAN forced those 40s down your throat last night
just like he did to Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice, Oprah Winfrey, Clarence Thomas
and every other black person, especially my girlfirend. Oh, no wait, those people went to school, showed up to
work on time, and low and behold they are on top of the world. My girlfriend is about
to graduate with a 3.8 GPA, which causes her black friends to call her "whitey".
Working hard in school makes you white, not black, they say.
Read a book, get a job, work hard and work smart, quit bitching. As long as it's someone
else's fault you can't do anything about it and you're fucked. As soon as you take
responsibility for your own life, you do what sucessful people do and you get the results
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1. Normally in socialised medicine you can choose to have private insurance as well, so you can pay for whatever leve of care you want.
2. Socialised care in the US such as the VA is more efficient (more cost effective) and provides equal if not superior care to private heath care.Comment
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my cousin had a tumor in his colon and had to get emergency surgery. it cost about 40,000.00 USD.
he was a personal trainer at a gym, made next to nothing and already had a lot of debt.
he didn't pay a single penny. there is plenty of assistance and help in this area in the US.
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someone PLEASE tell me how i can get cheaper or free health care in the united states
i pay 900$ a month for 15$ copay for an office visit
20$ for meds
and if god forbid i ever have to get a surgery i will more than likely end up paying 60-70% plus a 500$ deductible ... i have a HUGE list of shit that ISNT covered
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people do bitch either way. i think thats the nature of people. its interesting watching these discussions assume there is a perfect solution when its beyond obvious that the world hasn't found one yet. even if things are perfect and wonderful in Cuba or wherever, there is always a cost... it might be in the poverty of an entire country, higher taxes, lower standards of care, longer waits etc... but there has yet to be found a perfect answer that doesn't involve paying for it in one way or another.Comment
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right and neither do most of the other OECD countries, they have a mixture also.
The main point I believe is that in the United States the money spent on healthcare doesn't produce as good end health results as other systems.
The US need not adopt the exact systems as "socialised systems" for example, but there are definitely some lessons about efficiency that can be learnt from them to try and improve value of the money spent.
There are other problems in the health system such as the huge liability insurance some specialists have to pay which simply socialising medicine wouldn't fix.Comment
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Those that wish to understand how universal healthcare is funded might like to take a look at this overview of the Australian system: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicare_(Australia)Comment
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Tons of European countries have a total of 50% taxload on their income, if i'm not mistaken, Sweden is up to 55%.
However, Hobbit you useless fuck. Get your own head outta your ass. What the fuck are you talking about with "socialized healthcare"? What we have is a financial class system. If you're rich, you're covered head to toe. If you're poor/welfare you're covered head to toe, just with a more fucked up, stoned, useless physician that looks down on you as if you're the scum of the earth (most often rightfully so). What about the middle class that barely scrapes by but is deemed to be too financially able to obtain health care supplements? For these middle class guys, there's exactly NOTHING in place. Where's your social healthcare in this case? Or employees of a company that even though they provide insurance, and the employee pays the most to obtain the least deductible, these employees still end up with major bills due to a FUCKED up insurance system. You gotta get 2 yards outside the scumbagging hood you're in and actually check on the real world, your welfare buddies are not the ultimate standard - the middle class that keeps them fed and goes down because of it - these guys are the standard you gotta look at. Socialized Healthcare my ass...
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I guess shit happens bro,do we force girls to abort babies they cant afford? The right talks about a christian nation,cant be one if you dont help the poor and sick.
Lets tell the rest of the children here a story:
My Dad was diagnosised with cancer tumors in his brain,the doctor said you have very fast growing cancer and in the next breath said the specialist wont be able to see you for at least two weeks. In fact everyone he needed to see was weeks to months away.Lucky for him my mother works for a big spot at a hospital that called in all kinds of favors to get him in quickly. He has full insurance.The regular person just would of been fucked.
It gets better,my dad gets a call from work how they are all praying for him and then is told please hold for hr. The HR man tells him they are putting him on short term disabilty then he is fired and if he wants to keep his insurance he has to cobra it.This is the same man two weeks before finding out he had cancer was up for a promotion.God knows what that would of cost.He switched to my moms insurance but the thing that made this interesting is my dad is a card carrying member of RNC, this opened his eyes to how truly fucked up the system is and how quickly people can become financially ruined.Comment
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Ok here's the deal. IF we are going to embrace socialism, lets do it the right way.
If you cant afford to have children, make Moms tie their tubes.
That way the system stops promoting and producing the abundance of negro and mexican babies.
Hows that?
Lets make the system really work. As it should.Comment
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Forgot to add white trash to my list of people.
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I know one way to solve your health care issues...
Why not become: United States of Canada ????
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He meant whatsoever you do to the least of my brother you do unto me.
It was simple dont judge just help. Thats why the right quotes the old testament not the new, christ was love.it was very simple,no hate or judgement.
now if we want to throw these people to the side thats fine,then lets not represent ourselves as this fine Christian nation. Cant have both.Comment
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As shown, the US already gives free healthcare to the truly poor. In addition they get:
Free housing
Free dental care
Free food
Free utilities
Free daycare
Free transportation
Free education for as long as they want
I still remember filling out the FAFSA information for my son's $25K a year college. At the end they tell you how much you're responsible for and how much you can get a subsidized loan for. I was responsible for 100% as were the other 4 sets of parents who were friends of mine whose kids were going to the same school.
So....since we're treating each other all the same, where do I sign up for all my free stuff?
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You have to be really retarded to actully believe what you wrote.
Best healthcare in the world? USA hasnt been the #1 country when it comes to healthcare for YEARS. You are talking about something you have no clue about. Like most americans on this board, you need to travel abroad and see the reality.
The biggest problem when it comes to american healthcaresystem is;
1. Companies who offer insurences do it for the money (ofcourse) so they do whatever they can to deny their customers medicalcare, they dont give a fuck about you, they are a company and need to think about the profit.
2. Healthinsurence companies will tell you to go and fuck yourself if you are a high risk customer (for example fat or have any other problems).
Many of you (with time) will have to see a doctor and even stay at a hospital for a long time when you get older. Then you will understand.
I think its better to pay a bit extra vat and let everyone have free healthcare. In the end i might not be earning on it, but its a good and safe system, probably someone in my family will have problems and then they have something to lean back too.Comment
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Yes, we do have high tax in sweden.Tons of European countries have a total of 50% taxload on their income, if i'm not mistaken, Sweden is up to 55%.
However, Hobbit you useless fuck. Get your own head outta your ass. What the fuck are you talking about with "socialized healthcare"? What we have is a financial class system. If you're rich, you're covered head to toe. If you're poor/welfare you're covered head to toe, just with a more fucked up, stoned, useless physician that looks down on you as if you're the scum of the earth (most often rightfully so). What about the middle class that barely scrapes by but is deemed to be too financially able to obtain health care supplements? For these middle class guys, there's exactly NOTHING in place. Where's your social healthcare in this case? Or employees of a company that even though they provide insurance, and the employee pays the most to obtain the least deductible, these employees still end up with major bills due to a FUCKED up insurance system. You gotta get 2 yards outside the scumbagging hood you're in and actually check on the real world, your welfare buddies are not the ultimate standard - the middle class that keeps them fed and goes down because of it - these guys are the standard you gotta look at. Socialized Healthcare my ass...
But not to much of it goes to healthcare, welfare, free education etc etc do cost. But you do get value for the money. Every swede can point out most countries on a worldatlas, however the majority of the americans doesnt even know where the US is.Comment
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