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  • blackout
    Confirmed User
    • Jul 2004
    • 615
    #1

    Messin' around with PHP Frameworks...

    I've decided to try to take some of the bit of time I have lately to improve on my php skills. I've got some ideas for bigger projects that would take me forever to code I think. I'm lookin around at frameworks, ran in to CodeIgniter, Yii, Kohana the most.

    I know there are several amazing coders out there, and I also know that at least some of you are using one framework or another. I'm wondering which one would be the best one to get going with this framework stuff.

    Right now I'm using PhpED and a WAMP server for development.

    Any of you "l33t cod3rs" out there using something other than notepad?
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    • Klen
      • Aug 2006
      • 32235
      #2
      Yes,i using notepad ++ ;)

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        • Linguist
          Confirmed User
          • Apr 2004
          • 1706
          #3
          Codeigniter would be the easiest to start with. It's a 2-minute install, you don't need shell access and they have awesome documentation
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            • d-null
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              • Apr 2007
              • 13724
              #4
              posting this for humor value, not as any kind of personal recommendation:


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                • HomerSimpson
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                  • Sep 2005
                  • 13826
                  #5
                  CI is fine...

                  Notepad ++ or EmEditor for editing...
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                    • Zorgman
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                      • Aug 2002
                      • 6103
                      #6
                      EditPlus 2 for PC.
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                        • fris
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                          • Aug 2002
                          • 55679
                          #7
                          CI is neet
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                            • Tempest
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • May 2004
                              • 10217
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Zorgman
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                                • barcodes
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2011
                                  • 2040
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by Linguist
                                  Codeigniter would be the easiest to start with. It's a 2-minute install, you don't need shell access and they have awesome documentation
                                  nettuts has a good tutorial on code igniter
                                  heres a link to the 1st of 17 tutes

                                  http://net.tutsplus.com/articles/new...scratch-day-1/

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                                    • V_RocKs
                                      Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                      • Nov 2003
                                      • 32447
                                      #10
                                      Dream weaver

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                                        • cooldude7
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                                          • Nov 2009
                                          • 4306
                                          #11
                                          text pad here.

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                                            • nextri
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                                              • May 2004
                                              • 1661
                                              #12
                                              cakephp.org is the shit!
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                                                • grumpy
                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                  • Jan 2002
                                                  • 9870
                                                  #13
                                                  phped with wamp is a ghood choice, combine it with http://trac.edgewall.org/ and you are set
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                                                    • Brujah
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                                                      • Jan 2001
                                                      • 22157
                                                      #14
                                                      CI or Kohana (a fork of CI), both are good but CI has the better documentation. It's especially a good place to learn to write better PHP and learn basic MVC. Follow the NetTuts link posted earlier. The NetTuts tutorials on CI are very good. You may end up moving to Kohana or other depending on your skill level and preferences.

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                                                        • blackout
                                                          Confirmed User
                                                          • Jul 2004
                                                          • 615
                                                          #15
                                                          Thanks, I'm gonna check out some of those other editors. I'm kinda liking PhpED though. I'll give Cake another look I suppose, but the fans of CI seem to have my google search for "php frameworks" overtaken. And yeah, the tutorials are everywhere.
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                                                            • blackout
                                                              Confirmed User
                                                              • Jul 2004
                                                              • 615
                                                              #16
                                                              yeah, this shit is ridiculous. It kinda seems like a whole new puzzle trying to put these different ways of doing the same thing together.

                                                              I took a look at CI and Yii. CI seemed less complicated, but then Yii seemed more powerful. Common Factor: I don't think I could do shit without the tutorials :-\

                                                              I dunno. Maybe I just gotta pick one, stick with it. But it seems more complicated than a standard functions.php full of functions and a quick reference to it in your index.php using standard php.

                                                              I'm no pro, by any means, but I've spent the last few days stuck on tutorials and reading reading reading and trying to code something using the MVC methods in those 2 frameworks, and even though I'm just a novice php guy, I could have significantly coded more than I did on those frameworks.

                                                              I fail. :-(

                                                              and the NetTuts are deprecated now it seems when using the newest CI. Which brings about concern, are they going to change everything on every release. Seems counter-productive for a system that claims to increase productivity.
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                                                                • Kiopa_Matt
                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                  • Oct 2007
                                                                  • 1448
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Personally, I wouldn't even bother with any of those frameworks, as many of them are bloated pieces of shit, and are only going to confuse you. For example, instead of telling you to learn simple SQL queries, they'll tell you an SQL query should look like:

                                                                  Code:
                                                                  $db->select("id,name")->from("customers")->where("name = 'John'")->order_by("id")->limit(50);
                                                                  Or some shit like that. Not sure what framework that is from, but it's from one of the popular ones. Why someone would decide that's a good idea is beyond me.

                                                                  You're best off just writing your own framework from scratch. Can't find the one tutorial I really liked, but just Google writing your own simple MVC framework. Look into mod_rewrite, how it works, and start learning from there. It's honestly not that difficult, and definitely nowhere near as difficult as many of the "professional" tutorial writers make it out to be.

                                                                  PS. While learning, make sure you're solving a problem. Don't just try to learn everything like you would history, for example. Pick a problem, and learn how to solve it. Then pick another problem, and learn how to solve that, and so on.
                                                                  Last edited by Kiopa_Matt; 06-02-2011, 12:02 AM.
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                                                                    • react
                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                      • Sep 2003
                                                                      • 673
                                                                      #18
                                                                      If you control the environment skip PHP frameworks and go with Ruby on Rails, they just don't compare.
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                                                                        • nation-x
                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                          • 5370
                                                                          #19
                                                                          NetBeans works great but you have to have alot of RAM (I have 8GB).

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                                                                            • GrouchyAdmin
                                                                              Now choke yourself!
                                                                              • Apr 2006
                                                                              • 12085
                                                                              #20
                                                                              vim has pretty neato syntax highlighting.

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