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Do you report your competition? (SEO)

07-04-2007, 01:37 PM

I normally have a live and let live attitude toward SEO and my competition. I don't really do anything that's not legit meaning I'm pretty much white hat in regards to SEO.

Overall I don't have an issue with Black Hat SEO if it's kept within reasonable limits. I've only reported one guy in the past and today was the second.

I was checking my serp listings and came across a guy that must have 40 or 50 domains all listed under the same search terms. You get to like page 3 or 4 in the serps and it's nothing but his listings for the next 5 pages in google all different domains that all redirect to tours.

It's total BS and IMO the guy needs his domains banned so I was glad to report him. I figure everyone is here to make buck, so I can live with some Black Hat.. However there are limits and I'm not going to lose income to a spamming fool.

So do you report excessive spam?

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07-04-2007, 01:39 PM

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07-04-2007, 01:49 PM

I would report anyone who is competing against me and cheating.
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07-04-2007, 04:27 PM

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I would report anyone who is competing against me and cheating.

Exactly... blackhatting fucks up the internet for the surfers and the legit businesses.
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07-04-2007, 04:31 PM

been reporting those .edu spammers to google but nadda happens..
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07-04-2007, 04:34 PM

a rat is a rat is a rat.....

however, if someones taking keywords that children might stumble upon

then i find it acceptable to get them banned

otherwise nope...you're just a dirty rat

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07-04-2007, 04:43 PM

I report the serious crap. The .EDU domains getting abused, the bastards redirecting people to codec and toolbar installs, etc. Some stuff isn't tolerable.
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07-04-2007, 04:48 PM

Originally posted by RawAlex

I report the serious crap. The .EDU domains getting abused, the bastards redirecting people to codec and toolbar installs, etc. Some stuff isn't tolerable.

Sucks man, reporting them seems to not be working
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07-04-2007, 04:57 PM

Originally posted by crockett

So do you report excessive spam?

No, never, as long as it's legal and doesn't install shit like trojans.

What's blackhat ? What's whitehat ? What's in between ? All this reporting just leads to EVERYBODY making less, because a guy who loses income because you report him will go out and report others because he feels pissed. It goes on and on.

A friend of mine runs a free blog service (mainstream). As soon as a blog on his domain hits the top 10 in google for almost any monetizable keyword, there is a double digit number of spam reports, even if it's just one listing and the site is completely legit, unique and useful for the surfer.

Conclusion: Few spam reports are justified, in well understand it in your special case. Most are just done by people who want to fuck you because you are better. They suck @ the internet and want to vent their frustration by hurting others.
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07-04-2007, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by StarkReality

No, never, as long as it's legal and doesn't install shit like trojans.

What's blackhat ? What's whitehat ? What's in between ? All this reporting just leads to EVERYBODY making less, because a guy who loses income because you report him will go out and report others because he feels pissed. It goes on and on.

A friend of mine runs a free blog service (mainstream). As soon as a blog on his domain hits the top 10 in google for almost any monetizable keyword, there is a double digit number of spam reports, even if it's just one listing and the site is completely legit, unique and useful for the surfer.

Conclusion: Few spam reports are justified, in well understand it in your special case. Most are just done by people who want to fuck you because you are better. They suck @ the internet and want to vent their frustration by hurting others.

Few are legit? How about this...

http://www.google.com/search?q=sasha...&start=40&sa=N

It's fucking BS to have to compete with guys that are doing that kinda stuff. As I say I have a lot of leeway because I understand we are all here to make a buck.. however dick heads like that make it hard for me to make a honest buck, so I say fuck them.

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07-04-2007, 05:32 PM

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07-04-2007, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by crockett

Few are legit? How about this...

http://www.google.com/search?q=sasha...&start=40&sa=N

It's fucking BS to have to compete with guys that are doing that kinda stuff. As I say I have a lot of leeway because I understand we are all here to make a buck.. however dick heads like that make it hard for me to make a honest buck, so I say fuck them.

Well, there isn't much competition for this key and the stuff of this guy is starting on page 5, so barely ruining anyone's business. It's not nice, but all those .edu parasites bother me alot more http://www.google.com/search?q=free+...&start=10&sa=N
Just one example, all those .edu results you get for almost any search term install affiliate hijacking trojans.
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07-04-2007, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by StarkReality

Well, there isn't much competition for this key and the stuff of this guy is starting on page 5, so barely ruining anyone's business. It's not nice, but all those .edu parasites bother me alot more http://www.google.com/search?q=free+...&start=10&sa=N
Just one example, all those .edu results you get for almost any search term install affiliate hijacking trojans.

thats some fucked shit there..

they go for a lot of my top keywords and annoy the shit out of me
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07-04-2007, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by StarkReality

Well, there isn't much competition for this key and the stuff of this guy is starting on page 5, so barely ruining anyone's business. It's not nice, but all those .edu parasites bother me alot more http://www.google.com/search?q=free+...&start=10&sa=N
Just one example, all those .edu results you get for almost any search term install affiliate hijacking trojans.

He has listings for other terms as well, that's just one I choose to show. So yes this kind of BS does affect others that are targeting the same keywords.

It wouldn't bug me too much if the guy had 1 or 2 sites doing it, but man it's a bit freaking ridiculous to spam the serps with that many domains for the same keywords, all with the same redirects and BS.

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07-04-2007, 06:49 PM

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07-04-2007, 06:51 PM

Originally posted by dissipate

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Tuff shit.. I don't like guys that take money out of my pocket when I'm doing things on the up and up.

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07-04-2007, 07:23 PM

I do not complain as long as that guy is so blackhat and severely affecting my position lol .. i think i complained a couple of guys in 6+ years.

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07-04-2007, 07:33 PM

Heres a quickie. I just read up on the "competition bowling" ...

I did my SEO work and i did it right, I used no backhandedness, just pure proper placement.

I had a keyword phrase pegged..."mature phone sex" I had it #1 in google for months. I changed nothing. Some personal competition, Im talking into the real life people i knew before this business had #2 ...

i think they bowled me. If anything they practice bakchandedness. I Just sat there. but i didnt just drop, IM gone! like nowhere except looking up my actual domain.

this is google were talking about. what can i do to recover my placement. Or become valid again. I mean i can understand if I dropped, but im gone!... i had to have been bowled.

does anyone know what I can do to get back up there.. if not top, back in the game....?

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07-04-2007, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by crockett

It's fucking BS to have to compete with guys that are doing that kinda stuff.

they said the same thing about honda & kia

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07-04-2007, 07:57 PM

Wow how do people do this crazy blackhat stuff?!?! I'll sure never know ;)

Oh yeah, add in either a flash redirect of encoded javascript...take your pic filthy blackhatters. Shame, shame on all of you.

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07-05-2007, 02:49 AM

why so much crying? what about learn from their knowledge and kick their asses then? or you are so lazy or not so clever? i totally dont know how the guys are doing it, but i know they have some know how and you guys are crazy cause you dont have it ... i will not put crap on my sister cause she has two universities and i only one high school ...

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07-05-2007, 02:53 AM

Originally posted by TeenCat

i will not put crap on my sister

Engrish can be so damn funny

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07-05-2007, 03:01 AM

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Engrish can be so damn funny

and the correct engrish is ... sorry, will try better next time

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07-05-2007, 03:03 AM

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and the correct engrish is ... sorry, will try better next time

Depends on what you were trying to say. It could be either "I will not put up with crap from my sister" or "I don't give my sister crap".

Right now, though, it merely says you don't smear poop on your sister

(sorry, haven't slept much, so my sense of humor might be a bit odd)

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07-05-2007, 08:39 AM

Originally posted by TeenCat

why so much crying? what about learn from their knowledge and kick their asses then? or you are so lazy or not so clever? i totally dont know how the guys are doing it, but i know they have some know how and you guys are crazy cause you don't have it ... i will not put crap on my sister cause she has two universities and i only one high school ...

It has nothing to do with needing to learn from anyone. You honesty think it's hard to build a site then upload it to 50 domains?

I have no issues at all getting good keywords and ranking well in google. I do it all on the up and up and and my listings tend to stay in place for months at a time even years in some cases. Only time I ever have issues, is if google changes something drastic like their latest update. In most cases I can get back where I was with in a reasonable amount of time.

As I said I don't have an issue with a little black hat here and there it's no biggie to me. I don't do it myself, but it doesn't mean I'm going to rat on guys that do it, just because I want to be a dick.

However, if the guy is doing nothing but spam and I'm having to compete with it.. Well you can damn sure bet he will get reported. We are all here to make a buck and there is no excuse for that kinda BS, especially when I'm competing for the same keywords he is..

I've been doing this since 2003 and this is only the second guy I've ever reported, the other was doing the same BS as well. I can deal with guys that use one or two domains to do this crap, it doesn't bug me at all. However this kind of shit I will report it when I see it, because there is no reason for it.

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07-05-2007, 10:20 AM

it's spammers like that guy that wrecked the internet

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07-05-2007, 10:26 AM

I also never liked the backdoor-makers, but never reported them however.

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07-08-2007, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by Libertine

Depends on what you were trying to say. It could be either "I will not put up with crap from my sister" or "I don't give my sister crap".

Right now, though, it merely says you don't smear poop on your sister

(sorry, haven't slept much, so my sense of humor might be a bit odd)

ok man sorry that was taken as a joke from me too, and i meant "i am not talking about or not doing to my sister bad things" ;) need to learn engrish more

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It has nothing to do with needing to learn from anyone. You honesty think it's hard to build a site then upload it to 50 domains?

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ok man i understand now, anyway i dont think its what i have to care about ... i am trying to make sites about nice clean design, where people want to come back ... i hope i will get some fruits from my work in next year or so, and i think nobody will come back to those spam links you gave us here. after few months i am on first or second pages with few of my sites and domains and those spam links are far away after me, so its about to find other keywords to promote, not the most promoted ... so as i told, i have nothing to care about it, but those are just my respect and best wishes to everyone!

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07-08-2007, 01:40 AM

I meant doorway-makers but not "backdoor-makers" of course

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07-08-2007, 01:59 AM

I wouldnt mind studying the blackhat method..

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07-08-2007, 03:38 AM

Yes I do report spammers and always will do, even if they only have hidden text on their page!

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07-08-2007, 04:22 AM

You should only report the codec installers IMHO.

Forget the parasite hosting that leads to legit purchases for the consumer. It's not like Google doesn't know, that their algo is fucked, and your spam report about stuff they are painfully aware of won't attract a lot of attention.

Also reporting guys that fill up page after page with doorways, doesn't seem to work very well. This is only borderline black hat, and more of a serp quality problem. Chances are he won't have his domains banned, unless he has 1000's of ill gotten links, which he doesn't need for low profile serps, if he's any good.

Instead of complaining about black hatters, maybe you should be complaining about Google?
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07-08-2007, 02:36 PM

How is that blackhat spamming? They are all legit websites on their own IP's... Do a yahoo siteexplorer search and they are all linked into in whitehat form.
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07-08-2007, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by jjj12

Also reporting guys that fill up page after page with doorways, doesn't seem to work very well.

It doesn't work at all, since those seriousely doing it don't care for 1, 10 or 100 domains lost...it's only profitable at large scale. Throw TONS of shit to the wall, some will always stick.
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07-08-2007, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

How is that blackhat spamming? They are all legit websites on their own IP's... Do a yahoo siteexplorer search and they are all linked into in whitehat form.

VR I checked the whois prior to even making this thread, so I knew who's sites they were, hence the reason I posted it here. As I said I have no issues about guys that do a little black hat or what ever as long as it's within reason and not infecting surfers with Trojans.

I think it's pretty safe to say that using that many domains with all the exact same content on them, each targeting the exact same keywords is most defiantly spamming and the redirect to the sponsor page is blackhat.

It's quite simple really.. As I posted before, we are all in this to make a buck, I'm not going to try to report a guy that's doing a little black hat or this or that just because he's the competition. I figure to each his own and my sites will likely be in the serps much longer than the guy whom is cheating the system.

So when you are uploading the exact same site to 50 domains in an attempt to spam google with your listings.. Well you might want to remember, the other guys are trying to make a buck too and they might not take your spamming kindly.

If you get 5 pages of listings for the same search results using different content, then more power to yea man. However anytime I see useless spam like that it's going to get reported.

Remember, a lot of us make money from search engines. Spammed results cause bad user experiences and can tend to cause those users to not trust the listings anymore. IMO reporting useless spam is protecting my investment in time and money spent doing it on the up and up.

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07-08-2007, 03:48 PM

I dont waste my time trying to get others in trouble. I let the haters and jealous webmasters do that. I know there are plenty out there.

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07-08-2007, 04:03 PM

NP, I can always send DMCA notices and Google will pull anyones shit without a second thought...
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07-08-2007, 04:40 PM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

NP, I can always send DMCA notices and Google will pull anyones shit without a second thought...

Go for it, filing those fraudulently can cost you a nice sum of money in a lawsuit.

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07-08-2007, 04:57 PM

I have never even considered reporting anyone
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07-08-2007, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by crockett

Go for it, filing those fraudulently can cost you a nice sum of money in a lawsuit.

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07-08-2007, 07:04 PM

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07-08-2007, 07:15 PM

I don't report my competition, I just beat them.

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07-08-2007, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by V_RocKs

Have fun getting a North Korean proxy to cooperate.

Thats fine, I'm sure google will respond to a Korean proxie site.. I assume you are going to use a Korean home address and Korean phone number aswell?

It's all fun and games, but just remember you have sites too. When you stop spamming google with useless shit, then maybe you won't have to worry about your sites getting reported for spam.

Ohh "North" Korean.. didn't catch that.. why don't you go all out and go with the Russians.

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07-08-2007, 08:30 PM

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07-08-2007, 08:35 PM

If more people would help rid of these parasites..it would try to atleast get rid of another trojan installer.

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07-08-2007, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by beta-tester

Yes I do report spammers and always will do, even if they only have hidden text on their page!

hidden text you report? do you have ANYTHING better to do? seriously....

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07-08-2007, 09:50 PM

Originally posted by lchaim

I don't report my competition, I just beat them.

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07-08-2007, 10:13 PM

Originally posted by crockett

Few are legit? How about this...

http://www.google.com/search?q=sasha...&start=40&sa=N

It's fucking BS to have to compete with guys that are doing that kinda stuff. As I say I have a lot of leeway because I understand we are all here to make a buck.. however dick heads like that make it hard for me to make a honest buck, so I say fuck them.

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07-08-2007, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by pr0

correct attitude

It's one thing to beat guys that have a listing or two. If you look what he's doing he's spamming the same keywords with about 50 different domains.. So he has 5 or 6 pages of nothing but his listings.. All the exact same pages, just on different domain names.

The other issue at hand, is the more this kind of BS is done the more surfers will go elsewhere. Would you continue to use google if it was nothing but spam? Would you like it or people stopped using google, because they couldn't find anything that's useful to them? How would that hurt your biz?

Just like e-mail spam makes e-mail almost useless. Guys like VRock are making the search engines useless. It's BS and should be reported.

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07-08-2007, 10:45 PM

Never even considered reporting anyone, just a waste time anyhow, I can build a site in the time it takes to make a complaint and google wont do shit anyway, the algo will nuke them long before anyone at google reads your complaint and those spammers will probably have another thousand pages on google before you get done reading my post.

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