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07-04-2007, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by DomBuyer

Why do people feel the need to broadcast their ignorance so readily.

There's people who have a material interest in acting like there's a "domain market". Namely, you. Who knows, maybe it catches, eh ?

There's no people that have an actual material interest in showing otherwise.

That some still do is not "ignorance", it's just cruelty. Believe it or not, some people enjoy tormenting the desperate.
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07-04-2007, 03:24 PM

nm..........

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07-04-2007, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

There's people who have a material interest in acting like there's a "domain market". Namely, you. Who knows, maybe it catches, eh ?

There's no people that have an actual material interest in showing otherwise.

People like you come on the wind and float away on the wind as the domain market makes millionaires out of person after person year in and year out.

Here's just a short list of a few (there's many more, heh)

http://blog.domaintools.com/2007/07/...ire-domainers/

Usually the kind of people that start such misinformed threads are either in the sour grapes department, clueless, or market-making themselves to get domain owners to sell their domains short.

Either way, when you suggest that Moniker's auction of $15M didn't really happen or go through, you're in the loon department.

(And oh yeah, while you were starting this thread, advertisers paid me another couple of hundred bucks via ppc clicks)
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07-04-2007, 03:47 PM

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sex.com or adult.com are a bad example, clearly those domains generate type ins and so generate income... so just based on that they are worth something, how much they are worth is debatable though...

a better example would be perhaps iPhoneError.com that some guy earlier in this thread posted, that domain is basically worthless...

The gist of the argument is that for all the claims of large sums paid for "premium" domain names, we don't see any such domains actually developed.

Unless an actual business, with a business purpose other than speculating domain names, manages to buy some, the prices are just as meaningless as the painting's in the joke. And unless the majority of buyers are such businesses, the market's not healthy.

Parking a domain is no business in that above sense. You'd have to develop a site.

For anyone that's ever developed sites for a profit, the notion of paying buckets of cash for the domain name is ludicrous. If wordpress weren't available when the kids started wordpress, they'da called it blogmunchkins, and it'a done JUST AS WELL.

And x millions is a fortune on the Internet. Literally, it's a second round of VC founding. You could sit down at Ycombinator or wherever and buy out 6 or 9 months of projects out of the next year for a few millions. That's, quite literally, all the new ideas this entire planet produces, that could make money on the internet, for 6 or 9 months.

And somebody's gonna buy your domain instead. Riiight.
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07-04-2007, 03:58 PM

If you think parked domains make no money you're kidding yourself.

The value in porn.com and sex.com is the type-ins.
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07-04-2007, 04:02 PM

big money investors should steer clear of expensive domains for a longer term investment I would think

people typing in .com addresses in address bars will go the way of the dinosaur, and the way we interact with the internet will change

It makes sense that in 10 years the whole way we find what we want and are looking for will be drastically different and much improved where the value of an archaic .com extension to an idea or concept address will be insignificant....

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07-04-2007, 04:09 PM

Many domains are parked, but many aren't. Your have no idea what you're talking about. I bought parrot.com for $15k four years ago and sold it for close to a million. Check if it's parked. Would you like 100 more examples of names sold to businesses? In your value chain equation, it's pretty clear there's utility for the business.

It's quite simple: There are a limited number of prime names. Many companies vie for those same addresses, hence price rises, and in the meantime, they are mini-businesses making money via PPC. Did you know that Slavik makes $900 a day off six.com and he turned down a Million at the Traffic auction last week? Is he stupid and you're smart? Why would he turn it down?

To say that sex.com is "undeveloped" just shows your ignorance. It's been developed in a different way, and it's a cash machine.

I bought a name in February for $50k. I've turned down a Million $ for this name since then. Am I stupid and you're smart?

If I get 500 type-ins a day every day on a prime generic, I have 500 new customers coming to my store without a single dime spend on acquiring those customers. There's a business there whether you see it or not. I can develop or I can sell my leads to advertisers. This FACT is why domains are so valuable because while you're waiting for a business to come knocking for your domain, you're making bank selling leads or converting sales. Your choice.

In fact, much of the hundreds of millions of $ invested in domains by very smart companies (ireit, marchex, etc) is based on the fact that these names are ATM machines printing money every day while they wait for a big fish.

Still think there's no there there?
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07-04-2007, 04:12 PM

people who usually post comments like this missed the domain bandwagon and are pissed they can't register even a semi-good domain now and get stuck with registering domains with extensions like

.ws
.info
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trust me no matter how much you say domains are worthless, it will just get worse. pretty soon every single domain name you can think of will be taken and you'll be stuck with registering domains like

analpornsexpornsitesexhorny.com

actually it is already that way. nowadays if you need a short domain you need to use those other extensions like mentioned above. i say pick them up while they are still available.

And one other thing to think about, domains only cost around $6-$10 a year to register. If you can't recoup the cost of the domain registration in a year then you don't be long in the internet business. I have thousands of domain names that I am just sitting on. I just put some SEO optimized pages on them or some other little tricks and let them sit there and make a small income so I can recoup the cost of the yearly domain registration. On some of those domains I even make a small profit, so I have no problem just sitting on the domain names because they cost nothing to me.

If anything you need to blame the domain registrars for making the yearly fee for registering a domain so cheap. If the yearly fees were alot more expensive all the domain squatters would definitely let go of alot of domains.

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07-04-2007, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by jetjet

people typing in .com addresses in address bars will go the way of the dinosaur,

if they haven't already. virtually everybody has some sort of search bar up nowadays.
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07-04-2007, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

if they haven't already. virtually everybody has some sort of search bar up nowadays.

I'm sorry to pick on you, but people have been saying this since 1993, and while they were all convinced of this, we kept on making money. It just shows you're more interested in being right while I'm interested in making money.
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07-04-2007, 04:28 PM

I've been on the net for 10+ years and I still type a domain in the location bar of my browser. It's a habit.

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07-04-2007, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by DomBuyer

I'm sorry to pick on you, but people have been saying this since 1993, and while they were all convinced of this, we kept on making money. It just shows you're more interested in being right while I'm interested in making money.

I'm not talking about you personally. You seem to take it that way, on each post I make. I really don't give a shit either way, not about the fact you seem to think everything's about you, nor about the proposition you make money out of whatever it is, presumably enough money to afford you an outing somewhere on this your holiday sometime soon.

Other than that, I don't have a problem with people sticking with what works. After all, that's what got print magazines in the grand position they're in now, with all this talk of the Internet they've been hearing since 1993. Among many others.

Still doesn't make a market out of the domainer bunch, nor does it make their claims anything more than just salesmanship, nor does it make domains worth millions.

Here's some food for thought : The FCC estimates the gross takings of Nigerian scammers worldwide in the $100 million to $1 billion yearly. That's right.

Does this prove what exactly ? That the Nigerian scam is a business ?
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07-04-2007, 04:45 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

I'm not talking about you personally. You seem to take it that way, on each post I make. I really don't give a shit either way, not about the fact you seem to think everything's about you, nor about the proposition you make money out of whatever it is, presumably enough money to afford you an outing somewhere on this your holiday sometime soon.

Other than that, I don't have a problem with people sticking with what works. After all, that's what got print magazines in the grand position they're in now, with all this talk of the Internet they've been hearing since 1993. Among many others.

Still doesn't make a market out of the domainer bunch, nor does it make their claims anything more than just salesmanship, nor does it make domains worth millions.

Here's some food for thought : The FCC estimates the gross takings of Nigerian scammers worldwide in the $100 million to $1 billion yearly. That's right.

Does this prove what exactly ? That the Nigerian scam is a business ?

You're cluless and insulting--not the best combo. Feel free to have your "debate" with others.
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07-04-2007, 04:56 PM

fluffygirl, I have an idea. Instead of domains (which are worthless) let's just us IPv6 to connect to servers. So instead of porn.com, just type 255.254.200.131.2.1

Damn that is sexy. I am sure that 255.254.200.131.2.1 gets thousands of typeins every day.

Sounds more like the complaints of someone who came to the game late and owns some-stupid-domain-nobody-wants.info
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07-04-2007, 05:15 PM

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fluffygirl, I have an idea. Instead of domains (which are worthless) let's just us IPv6 to connect to servers. So instead of porn.com, just type 255.254.200.131.2.1

Damn that is sexy. I am sure that 255.254.200.131.2.1 gets thousands of typeins every day.

You seem to presume people end up on a site by typing a host name in the address bar.

People end up on a site by following a link. Whether from their emial, from their instant messenger, favorite "social media" site or even some search engine.

This "thousands of type-ins" each day... Spare me. There's millions of sites that claim thousands of type ins and there's just not enough confused people to go around.

Feel free to sponsor a study showing that ANYONE whatsoever follows links from parked pages they've been redirected cause they typed in. Till then, your guess is as good as mine, and I have yet to meet that golden idiot.
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07-04-2007, 05:43 PM

Originally posted by jetjet

people typing in .com addresses in address bars will go the way of the dinosaur, and the way we interact with the internet will change

It makes sense that in 10 years the whole way we find what we want and are looking for will be drastically different and much improved where the value of an archaic .com extension to an idea or concept address will be insignificant....

Somebody probably said the same thing about telephone numbers about 100 years ago.

BTW: you don't really need a domain name, just an IP address, so using an actual name WAS the "revolutionary thing" thatcame about.
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07-04-2007, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

You seem to presume people end up on a site by typing a host name in the address bar.

People end up on a site by following a link. Whether from their emial, from their instant messenger, favorite "social media" site or even some search engine.

This "thousands of type-ins" each day... Spare me. There's millions of sites that claim thousands of type ins and there's just not enough confused people to go around.

Feel free to sponsor a study showing that ANYONE whatsoever follows links from parked pages they've been redirected cause they typed in. Till then, your guess is as good as mine, and I have yet to meet that golden idiot.

I have never followed a link to google.com.
I type it in every time.

As far as people following links on parked pages: If that's not happening then the idiot is not the domain owner but the one paying for the link on the domain. Parked domains get paid by the click on those links and I can tell you that people are buying those links. I have a handfull of parked domains and can see that.

I can make more money by developing those domains but there comes a point where a domain owner cannot develop 100's of websites, so parking still brings in money.
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07-04-2007, 06:08 PM

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I have never followed a link to google.com.
I type it in every time.

As far as people following links on parked pages: If that's not happening then the idiot is not the domain owner but the one paying for the link on the domain. Parked domains get paid by the click on those links and I can tell you that people are buying those links. I have a handfull of parked domains and can see that.

I can make more money by developing those domains but there comes a point where a domain owner cannot develop 100's of websites, so parking still brings in money.

I don;t dispute that. There's probably a few clicks every day, they offset the registration cost. Sure.

For a name to be worth millions that way, it'd have to generate hundreds of thousands in monthly ppc revenue, which then'd mean millions of clicks, which then'd mean, with nowadays CTR's billions of daily users. There's just no billions of daily users.

So, does sex.com make a few grand a year in type-in ppc ? I'm sure it does. Much more than that ? I'm sure it doesn't.
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07-04-2007, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

also in the news, that thing in front of you is not a wall, you're not unfunny and the white horse rider is on his way.

really.

How come people who don't think always invite others to ?

This post makes as much sense as your first one.

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07-04-2007, 06:46 PM

why did i read through two pages of this??????

It IS what it IS
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07-04-2007, 07:08 PM

fluffy, you remind me of a native american who thought dirt was worthless too
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07-04-2007, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

You seem to presume people end up on a site by typing a host name in the address bar.

People end up on a site by following a link. Whether from their emial, from their instant messenger, favorite "social media" site or even some search engine.

This "thousands of type-ins" each day... Spare me. There's millions of sites that claim thousands of type ins and there's just not enough confused people to go around.

Feel free to sponsor a study showing that ANYONE whatsoever follows links from parked pages they've been redirected cause they typed in. Till then, your guess is as good as mine, and I have yet to meet that golden idiot.

are you serious?
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07-04-2007, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by esnem

fluffy, you remind me of a native american who thought dirt was worthless too

Actually, the space the dirt occupies is where the value is.

Put the dirt in a truck and see how much you get for it.

The dirst at ground zero(Sept 11) is toxic and aint worth shit, but the space where the dirt comes from is worth a billion.

And no, natives didn't see the value in buying a plot of land and living there for 80 years until you die. They thought we'd want to move around and
live many places like we were free. They never invisioned a society where the government and the rich would seize the land and access to water then charge it's citizen for the right to access it to exist. That would have been an evil concept much like blocking off the air and charging us to breath. Trump is working on the breathing thing though so hold on.
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07-04-2007, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

www.pr0n.com.

It's undeveloped.

www.porn.com

it's parked.

www.sex.com

it's parked.

"Prime real estate" ? Bullcrap.

Let me tell you one of my favorite jokes :

Isidor and Isaac are good friends. One day Isaac passes a garage sale and buys a painting for 20 bucks.

Isidor comes to visit the same day, sees the painting, and goes, hey Isaac, that's an ugly painting you got there, sell it to me for 30$.

Done deal. Next week, Isaac comes visiting Isidor, sees the painting and goes, Isidor, I'll pay you 50 bux for that useless piece of junk over there.

Back and forth, by the end of the year the painting's market value is in the five digits. The maid accidentally drenches it in windex and ruins it. Isidor to Isaac

"What a clumsy maid you have, she;s ruined such good business for us".

They're useless folks. Wake up.

Nah....they're not "useless". Unless you register some stupid ass name that nobody really gives a shit about. I honestly can't believe some of the shit people register. It's fucking mind-boggling.

I'm not in the biz of registering dn's purely for the sake of reselling them at a profit. However, I have sold a few (3) for a total of about $1500. On 2 of those I was approached clearly out of the blue and the 3rd I was actively selling.

I wouldn't say they are totally "useless". See that long ass domain name in my sig? Perfect example....

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07-04-2007, 08:04 PM

Who says parked names arent an investment? You I guess....
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07-04-2007, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

How come people who don't think always invite others to ?

I've been wondering that since your first post ...

I see domains like shares ... what you've said is like saying 'stocks are a bad investment'.

Of course they are if you don't know what you are doing ... but I've watched people make a lot of money in a very short time in stocks ... bad investment for everyone else but the 'winner'. Domains may crash just like the stockmarket, but someone always gets rich somewhere along the line ...

Just because it is a bad investment for you doesn't make the sweeping generalization true about everyone else.

If that doesn't help you feel better about others success, try a spoon full of sugar
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07-04-2007, 08:09 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

I'm not saying it doesn't, or can't happen, that you get a few hundred or maybe even a grand or two for a domain name. Anything can happen to individuals, including a meteorite falling on your head (remember the Canada satellite drop ?)

However, statistically, I'm saying more money has been put into buying domains for the purpose of selling them at a profit later than has been received for selling such domains. I'd guess by a factor of 10.

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07-04-2007, 08:12 PM

You walk into a retail store on a PRIME location that is full of foot traffic. They have some items for sale that THEY don't produce but rather only make money from reselling them for their clients. The products are not that great so they really make that much profit. They bought it with money they made from starting their own business a while back and they are just keeping it for the real estate value.

Maybe someday they will make a kick ass store with their own original home made products (God knows people love those). Or maybe one good day they will decide to just sell it and make a huge profit due to it's prime location and huge amounts of foot traffic. There is a RISK they may loose money if say the market drops or a nuclear bomb explodes in the middle of the neighborhood. Yet, they knew there were risks when they first purchased it yet they did it nonetheless. I think that is called DOING BUSINESS!!!

On a side note, a friend of mine just made 700k from selling one of them useless domain thingies...

You're cluless and insulting--not the best combo. Feel free to have your "debate" with others.

Smart people know when to back down from a pointless argument. Others turn to being insulting even when they have been proven wrong...

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07-04-2007, 08:14 PM

even funnier than this stupid bitch's thread are the idiots explaining to her why sex.com and porn.com are good domain names
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07-04-2007, 08:20 PM

Originally posted by sortie

Actually, the space the dirt occupies is where the value is.

Put the dirt in a truck and see how much you get for it.

The dirst at ground zero(Sept 11) is toxic and aint worth shit, but the space where the dirt comes from is worth a billion.

And no, natives didn't see the value in buying a plot of land and living there for 80 years until you die. They thought we'd want to move around and
live many places like we were free. They never invisioned a society where the government and the rich would seize the land and access to water then charge it's citizen for the right to access it to exist. That would have been an evil concept much like blocking off the air and charging us to breath. Trump is working on the breathing thing though so hold on.

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07-04-2007, 08:24 PM

The generic landing pages on type in domains won't hardly make the money back that the investor put into it in the first place. I am just waiting for this whole bubble to burst, this insanity can't last forever. Same goes with Web 2.0 and overenthusiastic VCs dumping millions into "promising" projects.
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07-04-2007, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by NTSS

Nah....they're not "useless". Unless you register some stupid ass name that nobody really gives a shit about. I honestly can't believe some of the shit people register. It's fucking mind-boggling.

I'm not in the biz of registering dn's purely for the sake of reselling them at a profit. However, I have sold a few (3) for a total of about $1500. On 2 of those I was approached clearly out of the blue and the 3rd I was actively selling.

I wouldn't say they are totally "useless". See that long ass domain name in my sig? Perfect example....

Ya, again, I'm sure that happens. Not quite what the "domainers" - hey, look, a new profession - would have you believe tho.
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07-04-2007, 10:09 PM

Hehehe it's so funny to watch all sorts of self appointed experts attack me for attacking their precious eggbasket.

It's not my fault you've bought the rainbow boys and girls. It's your fault. You can call me names and fight strawmen all day long, it's just one more day of pipedreaming. Do enjoy.
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07-04-2007, 10:42 PM

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Hehehe it's so funny to watch all sorts of self appointed experts attack me for attacking their precious eggbasket.

What's so funny to the rest of us is that you are a self appointed expert who hasn't a clue
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07-04-2007, 11:13 PM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

Hehehe it's so funny to watch all sorts of self appointed experts attack me for attacking their precious eggbasket.

It's not my fault you've bought the rainbow boys and girls. It's your fault. You can call me names and fight strawmen all day long, it's just one more day of pipedreaming. Do enjoy.

You really have absolutely no idea, do you?

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07-04-2007, 11:16 PM

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07-05-2007, 12:01 AM

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Franky for me, I just get creative and brand a domain of my choosing. I am not paying $XX,XXX for some domain.

No Problem. There are plenty of companies such as Hustler and Playboy that are pleased to seize the opportunity and grab the market share that you are leaving on the table.

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07-05-2007, 12:08 AM

Fluffy,

You ain't got a clue. The big domainers have millions of clicks per day, and they make bundles of cash.

And, it will only get better. Just keep watching.

I think we should bookmark this thread and come back in five years. Then you tell me if domains still have no value.

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07-05-2007, 12:16 AM

Originally posted by DaddyHalbucks

I think we should bookmark this thread and come back in five years. Then you tell me if domains still have no value.

Go for it.

Heard it so many times about so many different things it's ticlking me pink. Bookmark some MLM threads while you're, wait. The AGLOCO toolbar too, right ?

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07-05-2007, 12:31 AM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

Go for it.

Heard it so many times about so many different things it's ticlking me pink. Bookmark some MLM threads while you're, wait. The AGLOCO toolbar too, right ?

Is it because people keep posting? Is that why you think you still have a point to make?

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#92

07-05-2007, 12:37 AM

Originally posted by Shey

Is it because people keep posting? Is that why you think you still have a point to make?

You, along with the other hopefulls (tomorrow's millionaires, I'm sure) can make about one million more posts attacking me. It still won't make your delusions of grandeur part of everyday life. Sad, but true.
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#93

07-05-2007, 12:46 AM

you are one of the biggest idiots on this board! No, really.
That parked domain makes 1000 times more than Z in your sig. No, never mind. The Z has yet to make any money.
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07-05-2007, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by Legendary Samir

you are one of the biggest idiots on this board! No, really.
That parked domain makes 1000 times more than Z in your sig. No, never mind. The Z has yet to make any money.

Ooo, I remember you. You're the guy google paid 50k to photochop a check of theirs. Right, and you can't quite keep index.php straight. I was wondering when you'd join the chorus of wailing banshees. Busy day at the drive-through ?
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07-05-2007, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by fluffygrrl

You, along with the other hopefulls (tomorrow's millionaires, I'm sure) can make about one million more posts attacking me. It still won't make your delusions of grandeur part of everyday life. Sad, but true.

Most people would agree, you don't seem to understand the value of type-in traffic. Monetization is not dependent on development. A lot of people actually make more money parking rather than developing. Traffic is and always will be what's worth money. Why develop when you can sell it to someone that already has?

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#96

07-05-2007, 12:55 AM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

Franky for me, I just get creative and brand a domain of my choosing. I am not paying $XX,XXX for some domain.

If you take a no name domain with 0 type in traffic and try to band it, it will cost you a lot of money. That cost needs to be factored in when comparing buying a domain for $10 vs buying one for a lot more that is already getting type in traffic.

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#97

07-05-2007, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by sortie

In other news. The owner of the hotdog stand gave the hooker $20 for a blowjob. The hooker then bought $20 worth of hotdogs from him so he took the $20 and got another blowjob. Since she had the $20 again she got $20 worth of hotdogs again so the guy took the $20 and got another blowjob. This went on for a year and eventually the guy ran out of hotdogs but the hooker got fat and still had the twenty. Just goes to show you that the hooker manages her money better.

actually point of the story was that the hooker was selling a service that cost her nothing opposed to the hotdog vender who was selling a product that cost him money.

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07-05-2007, 01:01 AM

Was just wondering fluffygrrl,

Had you made any money with your domains ?

This is not a cheap shot... please don't take it as such.

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07-05-2007, 01:02 AM

I think you people are overloading "her" logic and common sense subroutines.

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07-05-2007, 01:05 AM

I'm Canadian... Please type slower !

Uno perhaps I'm overlooking something... but what... ^^

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