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  • bushwacker
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    • Jun 2002
    • 2817

    #101
    100 NFL hits.

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    • Cardinal_Sin
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      • Apr 2007
      • 78

      #102
      How can anybody compare two different sports?

      You need to be a total nutter to play either -

      I prefer to watch rugby tho, cos the game starts and doesn't stop till it finishes - American football stops every two seconds and the defence takes a break while the offence is on and visa versa -
      I think the Yankee game would be very different if the same players had to stay on the field all the time and the game didn't keep stopping.

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      • DCB_Hosting
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        • May 2007
        • 27

        #103
        what is rugby??
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        • Penthouse Tony
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          • Apr 2004
          • 5835

          #104
          If you like rugby that's cool. Enjoy playing it, watching it, or whatever.

          Why the need to make a thread bashing football (or any other sport) in order to justify liking it?
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          • J. Falcon
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            • May 2006
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            #105
            Originally posted by Cardinal_Sin
            I think the Yankee game would be very different if the same players had to stay on the field all the time and the game didn't keep stopping.
            You guys have to understand, the game is played "by plays." It has to stop, there is no way around it.
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            • Cardinal_Sin
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              • Apr 2007
              • 78

              #106
              Originally posted by J. Falcon
              You guys have to understand, the game is played "by plays." It has to stop, there is no way around it.

              When the football World Cup was played in America, they wanted FIFA to change the rules so that the game could be played in segments - Had that of happened, it would have fucked up the game totally

              Your game is played "by plays" I suspect for the tv - Dragging everybody off the field to bring on a defence gives half the team a long break - Don't you think if the same players stayed on all the time and stoppages were kept to a bare minimum, players then would be showing just how fit they really were? It is difficult to compare an American football goal kicker (who may only have 10 seconds action throughout a whole game, against his rugby equivalent, who would be running his bollocks off for the whole game, taking and giving body slams, as well as kicking goals.

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              • Brother Bilo
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                • Jun 2007
                • 4193

                #107
                Originally posted by Cardinal_Sin
                When the football World Cup was played in America, they wanted FIFA to change the rules so that the game could be played in segments - Had that of happened, it would have fucked up the game totally

                Your game is played "by plays" I suspect for the tv - Dragging everybody off the field to bring on a defence gives half the team a long break - Don't you think if the same players stayed on all the time and stoppages were kept to a bare minimum, players then would be showing just how fit they really were? It is difficult to compare an American football goal kicker (who may only have 10 seconds action throughout a whole game, against his rugby equivalent, who would be running his bollocks off for the whole game, taking and giving body slams, as well as kicking goals.
                Well, now I can see you don't REALLY understand the game. Even the kickers know they aren't considered "real" players. I can see what you mean that leaving all the players on all the time would change the game, but it would completely change the game. Guys on the offensive line can really only do that part of the game, they're perfect for what they do, but there's no way they could track down a wide reciever and tackle him. It's like anything else. You don't use the same tool for every job, you use what's right for the job at hand.

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                • Cardinal_Sin
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                  • Apr 2007
                  • 78

                  #108
                  Originally posted by Brother Bilo
                  Well, now I can see you don't REALLY understand the game. Even the kickers know they aren't considered "real" players. I can see what you mean that leaving all the players on all the time would change the game, but it would completely change the game. Guys on the offensive line can really only do that part of the game, they're perfect for what they do, but there's no way they could track down a wide reciever and tackle him. It's like anything else. You don't use the same tool for every job, you use what's right for the job at hand.
                  Not so much a case of not understanding the game - I am pointing out the differences -

                  Rugby players have to attack and defend and kick goals and last the whole time -
                  This why I posted earlier that the two games can not be compared.

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                  • Brother Bilo
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                    • Jun 2007
                    • 4193

                    #109
                    Originally posted by Cardinal_Sin
                    Not so much a case of not understanding the game - I am pointing out the differences -

                    Rugby players have to attack and defend and kick goals and last the whole time -
                    This why I posted earlier that the two games can not be compared.
                    Agreed, it's tough to compare the two even though they do have similarities. I was more or less making fun of the kicker's, because they are usually pussy's. I did it for one season, but I was also an offensive tackle and a linebacker. Being in on just about every play is tough, despite the fact that the game isn't in constant motion.

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                    • ozmatt
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                      • Nov 2003
                      • 1843

                      #110
                      anyone going to the world cup in september? Ive got a ticket to australia vs wales sept 15 in wales, and a 1/4 final in marseille on the 6th..hit me up if any one is going to be at these games.

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                      • CuriousToyBoy
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                        • Aug 2005
                        • 16787

                        #111
                        Originally posted by J. Falcon
                        American Football is the most violent team sport in the world. In case you dont know, there is a reason why players use pads and helmets in American Foootball. It cannot be played without them.

                        In Rugby you can only hit the guy with the ball - In football everyone gets hit.
                        In Rugby there are not blindside hits - In Football you can get from any side at any given time.
                        In Rugby there are not head-on, automobile-style collisions - In football there is practically one in every play.
                        In Rugby blocking is not allowed - In Football you can get killed during a block

                        Another point is that pads and helmets are not only used to protect, they are used to hit. Simply compare the amount and seriousness of injuries in pro football to those in rugby and there is a clear difference.
                        Having played both at somewhat relative top levels - grade rubgy league (close enough to union for the purposes of this argument - and "gridiron" (American Football) for Queensland and Australia I fully support much of the post above.

                        The difference is that league or union are MUCH rougher in respect to the "outside of the rules" play.

                        American Football play under the rules would get you 12 month suspensions in either league or union for a lot of it. It's hard. And fun ;-)

                        Throw a right cross in Gridiron you break your hand on a steel facemask.

                        Although both league and union have been much "pussified" by clamp downs on "rough" play in the past few years. A shame.

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                        • J. Falcon
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                          • May 2006
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                          #112
                          Originally posted by Cardinal_Sin

                          Your game is played "by plays" I suspect for the tv - Dragging everybody off the field to bring on a defence gives half the team a long break - Don't you think if the same players stayed on all the time and stoppages were kept to a bare minimum, players then would be showing just how fit they really were? It is difficult to compare an American football goal kicker (who may only have 10 seconds action throughout a whole game, against his rugby equivalent, who would be running his bollocks off for the whole game, taking and giving body slams, as well as kicking goals.

                          You seriously have no clue what your talking about.
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                          • leedogg
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                            • Jul 2004
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                            #113
                            Great thread

                            I love rugby union, rugby league and NFL
                            They all have big hits - but all in different contexts

                            Like a number have said - it's hard to compare
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                            • bushwacker
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                              • Jun 2002
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                              #114
                              Does anyone know how much pro. rugby players make?

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                              • leedogg
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                                • Jul 2004
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                                #115
                                Originally posted by CuriousToyBoy
                                A shame.

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                                • Phil LoadedCash
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                                  • Jan 2007
                                  • 462

                                  #116
                                  Originally posted by Cardinal_Sin
                                  Your game is played "by plays" I suspect for the tv - Dragging everybody off the field to bring on a defence gives half the team a long break - Don't you think if the same players stayed on all the time and stoppages were kept to a bare minimum, players then would be showing just how fit they really were? It is difficult to compare an American football goal kicker (who may only have 10 seconds action throughout a whole game, against his rugby equivalent, who would be running his bollocks off for the whole game, taking and giving body slams, as well as kicking goals.
                                  High School football players play offensive and defensive, yes they get about 30 second breaks for plays, but besides that they play the whole game.

                                  Therefor I guess rugby players are the equivalent of 15 year olds?

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                                  • bushwacker
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                                    • Jun 2002
                                    • 2817

                                    #117
                                    Originally posted by bushwacker
                                    Does anyone know how much pro. rugby players make?

                                    anyone???

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                                    • Alky
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                                      • Apr 2002
                                      • 5651

                                      #118





                                      i'd like to see some rugby players handle him

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                                      • Phil LoadedCash
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                                        • Jan 2007
                                        • 462

                                        #119
                                        Originally posted by bushwacker
                                        anyone???
                                        I'd like to know myself.

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                                        • J. Falcon
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                                          • May 2006
                                          • 31587

                                          #120
                                          The only argument rugby fans have against american football is that they play with pads on. That's all. And if they knew what they were talking about, they'd know it can't be played without pads. There are a reason for the pads, as I have stated in several posts by now.
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                                          • ozmatt
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                                            • Nov 2003
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                                            #121
                                            Matt Giteau is on a 3 year 4.5 million dollar deal when he moved from brumbies to the western force, then i think they get more from the ARU aswell... not sure how it all works.

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