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  • Vendzilla
    Biker Gnome
    • Mar 2004
    • 23200
    #1

    1370 waivers from new healthcare law

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_863252.html


    "Fathom the odd hypocrisy that Obama wants every citizen to prove they are insured, but people don't have to prove they are citizens." -Ben Stein



    http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...-health-care-/

    Harry Reid's state
    The Health and Human Services Department announced late Friday that Nevada had secured a statewide waiver from certain implementation requirements of the Obama administration?s health care law, because forcing them through, the department found, ?may lead to the destabilization of the individual market.?



    Harry Reid wrote the thing, still think this is a good thing?

    I thought this was going to cover everyone?

    More than 3 million people are enrolled in plans affected by these waivers.
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...est=latestnews


    Yeah, I find this funny
    Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
    think about that
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    • marlboroack
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      • Jul 2010
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      #2
      It's a conspiracy.

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        • LiveDose
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          • Feb 2002
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          #3
          It's such bs. Everyone in or we should all be able to choose.

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            • theking
              Nice Kitty
              • Sep 2002
              • 21053
              #4
              Originally posted by Vendzilla
              http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0..._n_863252.html


              "Fathom the odd hypocrisy that Obama wants every citizen to prove they are insured, but people don't have to prove they are citizens." -Ben Stein



              http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011...-health-care-/

              Harry Reid's state
              The Health and Human Services Department announced late Friday that Nevada had secured a statewide waiver from certain implementation requirements of the Obama administration?s health care law, because forcing them through, the department found, ?may lead to the destabilization of the individual market.?



              Harry Reid wrote the thing, still think this is a good thing?

              I thought this was going to cover everyone?

              More than 3 million people are enrolled in plans affected by these waivers.
              http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011...est=latestnews


              Yeah, I find this funny
              It is my understanding that these waivers are temporary only until the full law goes into effect in 2014...to allow for adjustments to be made...instead of forcing sudden changes that can cause certain problems.
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                • GatorB
                  The Demon & 12clicks
                  • Oct 2001
                  • 18208
                  #5
                  Originally posted by theking
                  It is my understanding that these waivers are temporary only until the full law goes into effect in 2014...to allow for adjustments to be made...instead of forcing sudden changes that can cause certain problems.
                  quit injecting facts into a good illogical rant!

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                    • Vendzilla
                      Biker Gnome
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 23200
                      #6
                      Originally posted by theking
                      It is my understanding that these waivers are temporary only until the full law goes into effect in 2014...to allow for adjustments to be made...instead of forcing sudden changes that can cause certain problems.
                      That's what I don't understand, if the new law is not in effect, then why do they need the waiver? Then when the law goes into effect, they won't have it?

                      If thats the case, Then why do they need it?
                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                      think about that

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                        • Grapesoda
                          So Fucking Banned
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 46234
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                          That's what I don't understand,
                          if that is the only thing puzzling about US politics you don't understand you are doing great

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                            • Vendzilla
                              Biker Gnome
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 23200
                              #8
                              Originally posted by bm bradley
                              if that is the only thing puzzling about US politics you don't understand you are doing great
                              It's like we are being sold a bill of goods that doesn't exsist.
                              We were made all these promises about the law and it's ALL BullShit
                              Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                              think about that

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                                • PornoMonster
                                  Confirmed User
                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 2257
                                  #9
                                  I want to know all the details of this health care and waivers, but then again I am afraid if I spend time reading it, I will either just be more confused or pissed off, while wasting that time to read it.

                                  So, I will stick to reading Left and Right views of it and drawing my on conclusion in the middle.
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                                    • marketsmart
                                      HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                      • Dec 2004
                                      • 20419
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                      It's like we are being sold a bill of goods that doesn't exsist.
                                      We were made all these promises about the law and it's ALL BullShit
                                      of course its bullshit... what we ended up with is nothing like what was originally pitched..

                                      doesnt it make you wonder why the health insurance providers went silent right after the bill was passed...




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                                        • Vendzilla
                                          Biker Gnome
                                          • Mar 2004
                                          • 23200
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by marketsmart
                                          of course its bullshit... what we ended up with is nothing like what was originally pitched..

                                          doesnt it make you wonder why the health insurance providers went silent right after the bill was passed...




                                          .
                                          That's easy, they saw how much MORE money they were going to make
                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                          think about that

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                                            • _Richard_
                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                              • Oct 2006
                                              • 30989
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                              That's easy, they saw how much MORE money they were going to make
                                              too bad about the public option.. funny how the government isn't allowed a fair shake in a 'free' market

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                                                • fatfoo
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                                                  • Mar 2003
                                                  • 27763
                                                  #13
                                                  These health care laws are sure complicated.
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                                                    • Vendzilla
                                                      Biker Gnome
                                                      • Mar 2004
                                                      • 23200
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                      too bad about the public option.. funny how the government isn't allowed a fair shake in a 'free' market
                                                      with out the PO, the whole thing is not worth passing
                                                      Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                      think about that

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                                                        • _Richard_
                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                          • Oct 2006
                                                          • 30989
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                          with out the PO, the whole thing is not worth passing
                                                          think that was probably the original plan with the naysayers, but once people figure out it is just a matter of voting to get a PO reintroduced, passing the bill as it is now is the best option for the future

                                                          as i can see it anyway

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                                                            • marketsmart
                                                              HOMICIDAL TROLL KILLER
                                                              • Dec 2004
                                                              • 20419
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                              That's easy, they saw how much MORE money they were going to make
                                                              exactly....

                                                              i can only imagine how much money lined congresses pockets over this deal..



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                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                  • 23200
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                  think that was probably the original plan with the naysayers, but once people figure out it is just a matter of voting to get a PO reintroduced, passing the bill as it is now is the best option for the future

                                                                  as i can see it anyway
                                                                  hey at least no one has said how great the healthcare law is so far

                                                                  Not holding my breath on the GOP coming up with a viable candidate for 2012, but if they Manage to do so, then the GOP will rip up the healthcare law for something that hopefully makes more sence. Anything that 3 million people opt of can't be good
                                                                  Last edited by Vendzilla; 05-18-2011, 09:38 AM.
                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                  think about that

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                                                                    • _Richard_
                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                      • Oct 2006
                                                                      • 30989
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                      hey at least no one has said how great the healthcare law is so far

                                                                      Not holding my breath on the GOP coming up with a viable candidate for 2012, but if they Manage to do so, then the GOP will rip up the healthcare law for something that hopefully makes more sence. Anything that 3 million people opt of can't be good
                                                                      why do you say the GOP would rip it up? new bill is going to make them a lot of money

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                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                          • 23200
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                          why do you say the GOP would rip it up? new bill is going to make them a lot of money
                                                                          Because of the movement they would need to get them office would expect it, if they didn't, they would lose the office in 2016.
                                                                          I don't think the Tea Party is going away
                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                          think about that

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                                                                            • _Richard_
                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                              • Oct 2006
                                                                              • 30989
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                              Because of the movement they would need to get them office would expect it, if they didn't, they would lose the office in 2016.
                                                                              I don't think the Tea Party is going away
                                                                              kinda like the spending issue?

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                                                                                • Vendzilla
                                                                                  Biker Gnome
                                                                                  • Mar 2004
                                                                                  • 23200
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by _Richard_
                                                                                  kinda like the spending issue?
                                                                                  the GOP is already taking heat for not doing anything they promised, or should I say not doing enough, 2012 elections will be interesting as many of the democrat senators will up for re election that weren't last nov
                                                                                  Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                  think about that

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                                                                                    • _Richard_
                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                      • Oct 2006
                                                                                      • 30989
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                      the GOP is already taking heat for not doing anything they promised, or should I say not doing enough, 2012 elections will be interesting as many of the democrat senators will up for re election that weren't last nov
                                                                                      BP is finally going to get congress it always wanted

                                                                                      tea party indeed.

                                                                                      you know this is the same tactic the us, and Europe, uses on developing countries?

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                                                                                        • sperbonzo
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                                                                                          • May 2003
                                                                                          • 9750
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by theking
                                                                                          It is my understanding that these waivers are temporary only until the full law goes into effect in 2014...to allow for adjustments to be made...instead of forcing sudden changes that can cause certain problems.
                                                                                          Sure!!! And I find it so interesting that the Big Labor organizations, that spent so many millions pushing this bill, somehow ended up with so many of the waivers from a bill that they fought to pass... And of course, congress themselves, that wrote and passed this thing, are themselves exempt from it. Obviously there is nothing wrong. Nothing to see or question here at all!




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                                                                                            • TheDoc
                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                              • 13827
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              These waivers don't exclude anyone from the healthcare plan. The waivers buy crap ins companies more time to get the house in order before the hammer comes down for good.

                                                                                              Overall i would say Reid sounds like a smart fellow. Rather than write into the bill every States & Corps micro differences covering every law they have, which would make the bill even larger & impossible, he set in a wavier policy for the few out of the many that need it. Sounds like a forward thinker to me.
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                                                                                                • TheDoc
                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                  • 13827
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by sperbonzo
                                                                                                  Sure!!! And I find it so interesting that the Big Labor organizations, that spent so many millions pushing this bill, somehow ended up with so many of the waivers from a bill that they fought to pass... And of course, congress themselves, that wrote and passed this thing, are themselves exempt from it. Obviously there is nothing wrong. Nothing to see or question here at all!




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                                                                                                  You mean, corporations got waivers, for the union members that already have insurance. Because the insurance is NOT provided by the corp and it's not personal - it's through the union, so logically the corp/union and people need a waiver or someone is double paying for insurance.

                                                                                                  Correct... obviously nothing is wrong unless you want to twist some fake reality out of it to make it wrong.
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                                                                                                    • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                      Ah My Balls
                                                                                                      • Feb 2007
                                                                                                      • 14311
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      They are getting waivers so they can begin the transition of changing millions of peoples policies, exactly what Obama said would not happen. But millions of people will be forced off their plans by their employers and made to take more expensive plans that most people do not need.

                                                                                                      The whole bill caters to the big insurance and big pharm. They will be raking it in while the middle class will be forced to buy a product they do not need and/or want.
                                                                                                      Last edited by IllTestYourGirls; 05-18-2011, 11:36 AM.

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                                                                                                        • TheDoc
                                                                                                          Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                          • 13827
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                          They are getting waivers so they can begin the transition of changing millions of peoples policies, exactly what Obama said would not happen. But millions of people will be forced off their plans by their employers and made to take more expensive plans that most people do not need.

                                                                                                          The whole bill caters to the big insurance and big pharm. They will be raking it in while the middle class will be forced to buy a product they do not need and/or want.
                                                                                                          Obama said, "you can keep your health care plan." which is true.

                                                                                                          The waivers have nothing to do with peoples policies.

                                                                                                          Corps already force people off policies every time they change it. Outside of that, nobody is forced to change anything.

                                                                                                          More expensive? Well medicare costs money and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than insurance over your life, like an extreme amount cheaper.

                                                                                                          What you're going to see is millions of people dumping over priced, normally total crap corp provided insurance for a much larger, much more stable, insurance pool that will be far cheaper, just like all mass insurance is.
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                                                                                                            • DateDoc
                                                                                                              Outside looking in.
                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                              • 14243
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              I can't think of a better person to be thrown under the bus than Pelosi. Maybe, Feinstein would be a close 2nd and they could add Reid for the trifecta.

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                                                                                                                • IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                  Ah My Balls
                                                                                                                  • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                  • 14311
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                  Obama said, "you can keep your health care plan." which is true.

                                                                                                                  The waivers have nothing to do with peoples policies.

                                                                                                                  Corps already force people off policies every time they change it. Outside of that, nobody is forced to change anything.

                                                                                                                  More expensive? Well medicare costs money and it's a hell of a lot cheaper than insurance over your life, like an extreme amount cheaper.

                                                                                                                  What you're going to see is millions of people dumping over priced, normally total crap corp provided insurance for a much larger, much more stable, insurance pool that will be far cheaper, just like all mass insurance is.
                                                                                                                  You live in a fantasy world. Around 3 million people will lose medicare under Obama care. I would call that a change of policy. 30,000 New Yorkers have already lost their coverage because of Obamacare. Maine is exempt from Obamacare because it is going to skyrocket the cost there.

                                                                                                                  If small businesses shop around for the cheapest insurance coverage, and buy it they will lose the "grandfather" clause meaning they will have to change all their employees coverages. Millions of people (some say up to 85 million people) will have their coverage change because of this and most of the cost will be passed to the employee. IE cost goes up.

                                                                                                                  It would have been very simple to make costs go down over night. Let people buy insurance over state lines. Cost would have went down. But god forbid that happens!

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                                                                                                                    • TheDoc
                                                                                                                      Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                      • 13827
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by IllTestYourGirls
                                                                                                                      You live in a fantasy world. Around 3 million people will lose medicare under Obama care. I would call that a change of policy. 30,000 New Yorkers have already lost their coverage because of Obamacare. Maine is exempt from Obamacare because it is going to skyrocket the cost there.

                                                                                                                      If small businesses shop around for the cheapest insurance coverage, and buy it they will lose the "grandfather" clause meaning they will have to change all their employees coverages. Millions of people (some say up to 85 million people) will have their coverage change because of this and most of the cost will be passed to the employee. IE cost goes up.

                                                                                                                      It would have been very simple to make costs go down over night. Let people buy insurance over state lines. Cost would have went down. But god forbid that happens!
                                                                                                                      Hahaha, you should try reading that on a non republican news site.

                                                                                                                      It's not 30,000 New Yorkers, it's 6,000 children's policy of 30,000 union members.

                                                                                                                      And the Union never said it was Obamacare, what they did say was in 2008 they were forced by the State to join the Family Health Plus Program, and then had Medicaid funding cut 3 times by the State. In the last 3 years, they've had to drop HALF it's members.


                                                                                                                      So the State backed out of covering the kids, and now they don't have enough money to pay for them (because the state isn't funding them), and obamacare "did not help them" but it is not the reason of it, those reasons were years in the making. HOWEVER - it will be Obamacare that picks those kids back up, so they are covered.

                                                                                                                      Corps change insurance all the time, ours just recently changed. Costs went down. That's the point of changing it.

                                                                                                                      Yeah, god for bid the Fed steps in and forces the States to change laws that each State controls, then the Right would be bitching about that.
                                                                                                                      Last edited by TheDoc; 05-18-2011, 02:47 PM.
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                                                                                                                        • Vendzilla
                                                                                                                          Biker Gnome
                                                                                                                          • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                          • 23200
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by TheDoc
                                                                                                                          Obama said, "you can keep your health care plan." which is true.
                                                                                                                          Actually what he said was

                                                                                                                          what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform

                                                                                                                          I guess he lied if the wavered companies have to make changes to get ready for the healthcare law, correct?
                                                                                                                          Carbon is not the problem, it makes up 0.041% of our atmosphere , 95% of that is from Volcanos and decomposing plants and stuff. So people in the US are responsible for 13% of the carbon in the atmosphere which 95% is not from Humans, like cars and trucks and stuff and they want to spend trillions to fix it while Solar Panel plants are powered by coal plants
                                                                                                                          think about that

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                                                                                                                            • TheDoc
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                              • 13827
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Vendzilla
                                                                                                                              Actually what he said was

                                                                                                                              what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform

                                                                                                                              I guess he lied if the wavered companies have to make changes to get ready for the healthcare law, correct?
                                                                                                                              Actually, the quote I wrote is correct - it is a quote after all, however this is the full quote. "if you like your health care plan, you keep your health care plan."

                                                                                                                              Here is the rest of your quote as well.

                                                                                                                              "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, ... or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

                                                                                                                              Umm, yeah corps are going to have to make changes, he actually said that many times - it's written into the laws as well. What the quote says is YOU (the person) will not have "The Gov" make you change plans - so no, he did not lie.
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