why do people believe in the bible?
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ditto.
the real world of science is all i can get my head around until something better comes along.
there's lots that humankind does not understand, we can look to physics or we can look to metaphysics for answers.
but until i can move the salt shaker across the table with my mind i will have to reach for it.
in the last few years with the advancement of the "information age" scientists have created complex mammals using asexual reproduction (cloning---nothing from the male---only new life from the female).
that tosses out noah's ark and adam and eve out in one breath.
science is not perfect, but i'll look to it for my answers at this point in the human time line.Comment
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idiots.
...This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!
Now read without the word dog.Comment
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another good one.
taking notes now for the next time the jehovah's witnesses stop by to save me.
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Bible Time
1. Its just a dandy way to control folks !
2. Please see point 1.
3. When you have the "ALL KNOWING" knowledge from god you are more likely to.
a) be happier then others
b) be right 99.9% of the time
c) have a valid reason for your perfection
d) generate more revenue
c) wear cool looking hats
e) be forgiven for shitting on others
d) turn your brain off and stop thinking of that annoying "why am I here" stuff
f) valid reasons to kill your neighbor
g) you need a clear list of immoral things not to do otherwise you might go willy nilly like Charles Mansonbest host: Webair | best sponsor: Kink | best coder: 688218966 | Go Fuck Yourself
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so has anyone read the mormon bible? I really don't want to offend anyone but since we are on the subject of the christian bible, i think it is a hell of a lot more credible than the mormon bible.Comment
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From one of the best sites on the web...http://godisimaginary.com/.
Many believers will say, "It is impossible for you to prove that God (Allah, Ra, Vishnu, whatever) does not exist. There is no way to prove that something does not exist." This is a silly argument for the following reason.
Imagine that we have a conversation one day and I say to you, "I believe in the gerflagenflopple. You cannot prove that the gerflagenflopple does not exist, therefore it exists." You can see that this is ridiculous. Just because I have invented something out of thin air does not mean that its non-existence is suddenly unprovable. There has to be some evidence that the gerflagenflopple exists in order to assert its existence. Since there is not, it is quite easy to say that the gerflagenflopple is imaginary.
Now let's imagine that we have a conversation one day and I say to you, "I believe in Leprechauns. You cannot prove that Leprechauns do not exist, therefore they exist." You actually have heard of Leprechauns. There are lots of books, movies and fairy tales dealing with Leprechauns. People talk about Leprechauns all the time. Leprechauns even have a popular brand of breakfast cereal. But that does not mean that Leprechauns exist. There is no physical evidence for the existence of Leprechauns. Not a single bit. Therefore, it is obvious to any normal person that Leprechauns are imaginary.
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From an article by Sam Harris:
The level of atheism throughout the rest of the developed world refutes any argument that religion is somehow a moral necessity. Countries like Norway, Iceland, Australia, Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Belgium, Japan, the Netherlands, Denmark and the United Kingdom are among the least religious societies on Earth. According to the United Nations? Human Development Report (2005) they are also the healthiest, as indicated by measures of life expectancy, adult literacy, per capita income, educational attainment, gender equality, homicide rate and infant mortality. Conversely, the 50 nations now ranked lowest in terms of human development are unwaveringly religious.
Countries with high levels of atheism also are the most charitable in terms of giving foreign aid to the developing world. The dubious link between Christian literalism and Christian values is also belied by other indices of charity. Consider the ratio in salaries between top-tier CEOs and their average employee: in Britain it is 24 to 1; France 15 to 1; Sweden 13 to 1; in the United States, where 83% of the population believes that Jesus literally rose from the dead, it is 475 to 1.
Consider the destruction that Hurricane Katrina leveled on New Orleans. More than a thousand people died, tens of thousands lost all their earthly possessions, and nearly a million were displaced. It is safe to say that almost every person living in New Orleans at the moment Katrina struck believed in an omnipotent, omniscient and compassionate God. But what was God doing while a hurricane laid waste to their city? Surely he heard the prayers of those elderly men and women who fled the rising waters for the safety of their attics, only to be slowly drowned there. These were people of faith. These were good men and women who had prayed throughout their lives. Only the atheist has the courage to admit the obvious: These poor people died talking to an imaginary friend.
Of course, there had been ample warning that a storm of biblical proportions would strike New Orleans, and the human response to the ensuing disaster was tragically inept. But it was inept only by the light of science. Advance warning of Katrina?s path was wrested from mute Nature by meteorological calculations and satellite imagery. God told no one of his plans. Had the residents of New Orleans been content to rely on the beneficence of the Lord, they wouldn?t have known that a killer hurricane was bearing down upon them until they felt the first gusts of wind on their faces. Nevertheless, a poll conducted by The Washington Post found that 80% of Katrina?s survivors claim that the event has only strengthened their faith in God.

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Also from http://godisimaginary.com/
Imagine that I tell you the following story:
* I was in my room one night.
* Suddenly, my room became exceedingly bright.
* Next thing I know there is an angel in my room.
* He tells me an amazing story.
* He says that there is a set of ancient golden plates buried in the side of a hill in New York.
* On them are the books of a lost race of Jewish people who inhabited North America.
* These plates bear inscriptions in the foreign language of these people.
* Eventually the angel leads me to the plates and lets me take them home.
* Even though the plates are in a foreign language, the angel helps me to decipher and translate them.
* Then the plates are taken up into heaven, never to be seen again.
* I have the book that I translated from the plates. It tells of amazing things -- an entire civilization of Jewish people living here in the United States 2,000 years ago.
* And the resurrected Jesus came and visited these people!
* I also showed the golden plates to a number of real people who are my eye witnesses, and I have their signed attestations that they did, in fact, see and touch the plates before the plates were taken up into heaven.
Now, what would you say to me about this story? Even though I do have a book, in English, that tells the story of this lost Jewish civilization, and even though I do have the signed attestations, what do you think? This story sounds nutty, doesn't it?
You would ask some obvious questions. For example, at the very simplest level, you might ask, "Where are the ruins and artifacts from this Jewish civilization in America?" The book transcribed from the plates talks about millions of Jewish people doing all kinds of things in America. They have horses and oxen and chariots and armor and large cities. What happened to all of this? I answer simply: it is all out there, but we have not found it yet. "Not one city? Not one chariot wheel? Not one helmet?" you ask. No, we haven't found a single bit of evidence, but it is out there somewhere. You ask me dozens of questions like this, and I have answers for them all.
Most people would assume that I am delusional if I told them this story. They would assume that there were no plates and no angel, and that I had written the book myself. Most people would ignore the attestations -- having people attest to it means nothing, really. I could have paid the attesters off, or I could have fabricated them. Most people would reject my story without question.
What's interesting is that there are millions of people who actually do believe this story of the angel and the plates and the book and the Jewish people living in North America 2,000 years ago. Those millions of people are members of the Mormon Church, headquartered in Salt Lake City, Utah. The person who told this incredible story was a man named Joseph Smith, and he lived in the United States in the early 1800s. He told his story, and recorded what he "translated from the plates", in the Book of Mormon.
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nice!i think people make a huge misinterpretation of life and the forces behind it in attempting to name a specific deity, or establish godliness in a singular entity. religion is a falsification of all things spiritual in this sense. there is no doubt a great energy or force behind existence, but these theistic/polytheistic entities serve as false idols. attempting to give any name to this force of energy is immediately an error. these are the false idols christianity tells you to be wary of itself. ironic no? to me the "god" is nothing more than the power of existence itself, a singular energy by which everything exists, and anything is a possibity should you make it oe. the energy lies within every individual and animate object in our lives. you must will the power to this existence in yourself though, you will not find it, not in it's truest source anywhere outside the self. be your own god. this pascal's wager business is laughable....
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As far as I'm concerned, any organized religion is out for money and control over weakminded people. People who feel like they either need someone or something to tell them what to do or make them whole. Believing in a "God" and religion are two different things. The only thing the bible does is tell everyone that if you are a good person, you'll go to a nice place when you die and live happily ever after. Regardless as to whether "God" is real or not, the bible is a book like any other book, written by people that heard from a guy who heard from a guy who heard from a guy that some dude named Jesus just made a blind guy see. It's like that telephone game when youre kids, start with "Hi how are you? Nice day today." and end up with "That new girl is a bitch, I heard she takes two fists!" It's all poppycock!
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why do people believe in the bible? the same reason some people believe in evolution. the same reason a person buys into anything. be it spiritually, politcally, socially, etc. experiences and your environment. i personally find it extremely funny when an athiest makes fun of someone for believing in Christianity. their reasoning is most often scientific in nature. the problem is you didn't come to your atheistic beliefs from a vantage point free from the same exact system in which all humans develop belief structures.
use evolution to explain everything. works for me. just try and wrap your head around the philosophical implications of such things. don't use it as a safety net to explain everything. if you do, you don't really understand evolution. evoltuionary theory does not, nor was it ever intended, to disprove God or any religion.
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There is still that unexplainable fear of the unknown and death that is plaguing human kind today which is probably mostly why people still refer back to it.LisaComment
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Evolution is not a matter to believe or not. Like water or fire because you can see it, you can understand it and you can control it. Humans were able to learn how the evolution works and they are able to control it (FYI: selection is a controlled evolution). So it's not a good example man.Obey the CowgodComment
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I'll tell you one thing guys. We were discussing the similar thing on some Russian webmaster board a couple of weeks ago. The thread was called "Thoughts About Death" - we were discussing is there any other way of existence after the death or it's just an end of everything - endless sleeping without dreams (personally I believe in 2nd).
One of my opponents (he was a photographer and perhaps some of you have purchased his content) told me he believe there is something else after death, but he won't know it for sure until he's alive and her even don't wanna think about it because he is in a good mood since he's going to vacation in Thailand on the next day.
And yesterday I heard the scare news. He has DIED in Thailand because of heart attack just a few days ago... Perhaps now he knows the answer for sure
RIP bro
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Very trueYou are forgetting that people only believe the parts that they want to believe, that most Christians have basically dismissed the Old Testament, and that the bible, in most languages, has been interpreted AT LEAST two times.
Many want to believe that we are more than animals and that there is life after death. We aren't and there isn't.Comment
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Hey, some people can't get through the day unless they think that everything happens for a reason, instead of just living their lives and having a good time while they can. You only live once, unless your Hindu, so have fun with it.
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religious belief is a cultural artifact.
more than anything else, WHAT you believe is dependant on WHERE and WHEN you were born on the human timeline.
a characteristic of most religious folks (who are usually no better or worse than anyone else) is that they haven't seen very much of the world.
you can get on an airplane in chicago and in about 14 hours you can be in bangkok, and you will see happy people that do not pray to jesus or mother mary, but to buddha.
and they will ask you not to smash the big spider walking on the floor because they really believe that you could be killing some former person who did not do good works in life.
and then get back in the plane and fly to india, and you will hear different nonsense.
there is nothing special or different about christianity. there are variations of the 10 commandments in most all religions. the 10 commandments are basic good societal rules for peaceful living.
all religions help humans cope with stress. it's like reading a happy mother goose story to a child so the child can sleep.
and in that context religion works if you don't scrutinize it too much. "faith" is necessary for "religion" to work for people. and "faith" is based on hope without verification.
truth is, religion does (some) people a lot of good. true, it is all smoke and mirrors, but we should not knock it's benefit for the psychologically fragile.Comment
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That's actually a point that lot of people confuse. Evolution does not disprove the existence of God. One could still believe in God, a supreme creator, and still subscribe to evolutionary theory. They are not mutually exclusive.why do people believe in the bible? the same reason some people believe in evolution. the same reason a person buys into anything. be it spiritually, politcally, socially, etc. experiences and your environment. i personally find it extremely funny when an athiest makes fun of someone for believing in Christianity. their reasoning is most often scientific in nature. the problem is you didn't come to your atheistic beliefs from a vantage point free from the same exact system in which all humans develop belief structures.
use evolution to explain everything. works for me. just try and wrap your head around the philosophical implications of such things. don't use it as a safety net to explain everything. if you do, you don't really understand evolution. evoltuionary theory does not, nor was it ever intended, to disprove God or any religion.
The problem is the average holy book thumper is too stupid to realize this, and rather than trim the fat from their spiritual steak, they prefer to swallow it down whole. Dogmatic minds are often the most uncreative and least expansive, and it stems from this cognitive rigidity.
Believing that an all powerful force, manifest in our likeness, once said (eons and eons ago) "let there be trees, and animals, and lots of other shit" is much, much easier to understand and digest than Darwinian principles. To compromise and consider that it was a God-like figure that kick-started the mechanism of evolution is still too much for these people.
Personally, I'd very much like to live and let live; to leave others to their own devices no matter how silly I find them. When these devices begin to worm their way into classrooms, impinging on practical study, then it becomes more than I can bear.
As for your comparison on how atheists and religious folks forumlate their belief systems, I feel you leave out some important factors. Atheists recognize the human ability for self-deception, the need for comfort and solace in that which is greater than us, but more importantly they understand the necessity for an objective review of those tenets we hold so dear. Question faith. Analyze belief. If it does not stand the test of logic and of reason, and if it is injurious to a society, then it must be discarded. Religious individuals accept the many misconceptions, the many contradictions, and the many demands of their belief simply because they are told it is fact, disbelievers go to a very hot place after death, and for many, because they live in a sheltered community where the same ecumenical bullshit is held by all others they come in contact with (Walter Lippmann is quoted as saying, "Where all think alike, no one thinks very much).Comment
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Wow. Did we take the same classes or something?religious belief is a cultural artifact.
more than anything else, WHAT you believe is dependant on WHERE and WHEN you were born on the human timeline.
a characteristic of most religious folks (who are usually no better or worse than anyone else) is that they haven't seen very much of the world.
you can get on an airplane in chicago and in about 14 hours you can be in bangkok, and you will see happy people that do not pray to jesus or mother mary, but to buddha.
and they will ask you not to smash the big spider walking on the floor because they really believe that you could be killing some former person who did not do good works in life.
and then get back in the plane and fly to india, and you will hear different nonsense.
there is nothing special or different about christianity. there are variations of the 10 commandments in most all religions. the 10 commandments are basic good societal rules for peaceful living.
all religions help humans cope with stress. it's like reading a happy mother goose story to a child so the child can sleep.
and in that context religion works if you don't scrutinize it too much. "faith" is necessary for "religion" to work for people. and "faith" is based on hope without verification.
truth is, religion does (some) people a lot of good. true, it is all smoke and mirrors, but we should not knock it's benefit for the psychologically fragile.
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i was raised on science, facts, etc
do you think that the world would be a more rational place if the bible was not around, lets say
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just think it this way... people believe in the Bible because world is not there without a Creator, as mentioned in the Bible. It's like this, just a thought of having no air, you think you would survive?
make sense?
~Accepting design works~ 
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no the world would not be a more rational place. humans still run on emotions and it is faith that sees most people through. its a faith and a hope not just in an afterlife, god, heaven, but in science so that solid foundations can be established in order for good things can grow. hence, space explorations and technologies of all kinds. our quest is for enlightment, in essence to seek god.Comment



Personally I read, and I have to admit: only a complete moron can believe in such a stupid BS as Bible is.





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