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  • Casa Nova
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    • Mar 2007
    • 2867
    #1

    Toronto Sidewalk Tax!!!! WTF

    WHAT THE HELL! Toronto is trying to implement a tax to club owners where they will have to rent out space on the sidewalk since there customers wait in line there?! This will obviously fall off onto the patrons shoulders to pay in higher drink prices/cover etc!!

    When will the government stop taxing everything for extra cash?! Greedy Bastards!

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    • Za Ha
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      • Oct 2001
      • 5112
      #2
      Sucks to have to wait in line to get into clubs, now it will suck even more LOL

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        • fris
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          • Aug 2002
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          thats lame++
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            • GTS Mark
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              • Jan 2001
              • 20912
              #4
              What a crock of shit!

              DH

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                • _Richard_
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                  • Oct 2006
                  • 30989
                  #5
                  Originally posted by Casa Nova
                  WHAT THE HELL! Toronto is trying to implement a tax to club owners where they will have to rent out space on the sidewalk since there customers wait in line there?! This will obviously fall off onto the patrons shoulders to pay in higher drink prices/cover etc!!

                  When will the government stop taxing everything for extra cash?! Greedy Bastards!
                  the police presence those bars require has to come from somewhere.. unless you think Mrs. Old bags should foot the bill?

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                    • Casa Nova
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                      • Mar 2007
                      • 2867
                      #6
                      Originally posted by DrinkingHARDEST
                      What a crock of shit!

                      DH
                      Agreed. We already get raped with taxes, now we will have to be subject to an even more ridiculous one! we already pay taxes to have the sidewalk built, why should we have to pay a tax to stand there while we wait to get into a entertainment venue!

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                        • Casa Nova
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                          • Mar 2007
                          • 2867
                          #7
                          Originally posted by Mr.Sexbankroll
                          the police presence those bars require has to come from somewhere.. unless you think Mrs. Old bags should foot the bill?
                          Our taxes and the fines handed out by the police while they're their should foot the bill.

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                            • _Richard_
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                              • Oct 2006
                              • 30989
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Casa Nova
                              Our taxes and the fines handed out by the police while they're their should foot the bill.
                              so you want to pay for the police presence instead of the businesses that require the police presence?

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                                • Kevin Cunningham
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                                  • Aug 2005
                                  • 962
                                  #9
                                  I agree with the tax.


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                                    • Elli
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                                      • Apr 2003
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                                      #10
                                      The business should be billed directly for the police presence. They need to provide security at their establishments, after all, and make sure that undersirable behaviour of their customers doesn't affect the neighbours of the business.

                                      Taxing the whole city is ridiculous. ugh.
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                                        • Casa Nova
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                                          • Mar 2007
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                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by Mr.Sexbankroll
                                          so you want to pay for the police presence instead of the businesses that require the police presence?
                                          Im saying technically we already are paying from our normal day to day taxes. If they send this tax to the clubs, the clubs themselves will just raise prices of the cover or drinks to make up for it. So wel will just be paying more in the end.

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                                            • _Richard_
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                                              • Oct 2006
                                              • 30989
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by Casa Nova
                                              Im saying technically we already are paying from our normal day to day taxes. If they send this tax to the clubs, the clubs themselves will just raise prices of the cover or drinks to make up for it. So wel will just be paying more in the end.
                                              i see.. but Mrs. Oldbags won't pay? Because she doesn't go to clubs?

                                              Sounds fair to me

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                                                • Casa Nova
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                                                  • Mar 2007
                                                  • 2867
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by Mr.Sexbankroll
                                                  i see.. but Mrs. Oldbags won't pay? Because she doesn't go to clubs?

                                                  Sounds fair to me
                                                  AH I see what you're saying now... Understandable. But I still hold my ground on the issue, There should be no action taken.

                                                  Great mini debate though. Feel free to add me to icq and chit chat whenever.

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                                                    • mpahlca
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                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                      • 1821
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by Casa Nova
                                                      Im saying technically we already are paying from our normal day to day taxes. If they send this tax to the clubs, the clubs themselves will just raise prices of the cover or drinks to make up for it. So wel will just be paying more in the end.
                                                      perfect...works for me.
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                                                        • EasterBunny
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                                                          • May 2007
                                                          • 101
                                                          #15
                                                          I have to agree....In New York City street vendors like hot dog guys and people that setup tables to sell sunglasses have to pay for a permit for using public space for business. Also a dollar store in my area got a warning for having stuff outside on a table as part of a small rummage sale.

                                                          I see the city's pov in this instance as well as with the clubs

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                                                            • Bomber8888
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                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                              • 1444
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by Elli
                                                              The business should be billed directly for the police presence. They need to provide security at their establishments, after all, and make sure that undersirable behaviour of their customers doesn't affect the neighbours of the business.

                                                              Taxing the whole city is ridiculous. ugh.

                                                              I agree, not everyone should be taxed but only the people that are benefiting from the the clientiele, somewhat like paying for an extra permit, but in actuality paying for police presence to ensure safety.

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                                                                • Doctor Dre
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                                                                  • Jan 2001
                                                                  • 51692
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by Mr.Sexbankroll
                                                                  the police presence those bars require has to come from somewhere.. unless you think Mrs. Old bags should foot the bill?
                                                                  LOL
                                                                  Do the people who organise walks and stuff like that pay for the police too ?

                                                                  The cops are there to do their job and the economy is rolling. Private business shouldn't have to pay extra for police.
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                                                                    • WiredGuy
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                                                                      • Aug 2002
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                                                                      #18
                                                                      On the flip side, maybe the bouncers won't keep people outside so much and try to get them in faster.
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                                                                        • tehHinjew
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                                                                          • Sep 2006
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                                                                          #19
                                                                          clubs dont have cops inside... what are you guys talking about

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                                                                            • gt23zeus
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                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                              • 33
                                                                              #20
                                                                              just another canadian tax

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                                                                                • Spunky
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                                                                                  • Jun 2002
                                                                                  • 133978
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                                                                  On the flip side, maybe the bouncers won't keep people outside so much and try to get them in faster.
                                                                                  WG
                                                                                  Then they could get closed down for exceeding capacity..fire laws

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                                                                                    • evildick
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Is this prick still Mayor? Sounds like something he would think of.

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                                                                                        • Fizzgig
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                                                                                          • Feb 2004
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                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          They'll tax the air you breathe if they can find a way to attach a meter to your nose.
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                                                                                            • tony299
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                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              man they dont play.

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                                                                                                • Casa Nova
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                                                                                                  • Mar 2007
                                                                                                  • 2867
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by evildick
                                                                                                  Is this prick still Mayor? Sounds like something he would think of.

                                                                                                  lol no he isnt anymore. its some next guy, cant remember his name.

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                                                                                                    • SleazyDream
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                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
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                                                                                                      will the VIP line be taxed too.

                                                                                                      oh wait - there's no line at the vip door.

                                                                                                      sorry

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                                                                                                        • Gentle_Ben
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                                                                                                          I dont think mayor mel would ever do that shit
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                                                                                                            • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by Casa Nova
                                                                                                              WHAT THE HELL! Toronto is trying to implement a tax to club owners where they will have to rent out space on the sidewalk since there customers wait in line there?! This will obviously fall off onto the patrons shoulders to pay in higher drink prices/cover etc!!

                                                                                                              When will the government stop taxing everything for extra cash?! Greedy Bastards!
                                                                                                              Or you could just find something better to do with your time and money than wait in line to sink your it on drinks that are overpriced and underpoured in a hot, stuffy, crowded pit full of idiots in the first place...

                                                                                                              I refuse to wait in line at any drnking establishment, nowhere is THAT cool...

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                                                                                                                • Dollarmansteve
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                                                                                                                  • May 2005
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  I think it's a great idea.

                                                                                                                  The city of Toronto found a way to levy a tax (by proxy) on the illegal drug trade that is operated throughout the nightclubs downtown.
                                                                                                                  I died.

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                                                                                                                    • Ravage
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                                                                                                                      • Mar 2007
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                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Casa Nova
                                                                                                                      lol no he isnt anymore. its some next guy, cant remember his name.
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                                                                                                                        • tranza
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                                                                                                                          • Jun 2003
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                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          That's no good.... All the nightclubs will increase prices someway to keep their profitability.

                                                                                                                          In the end, consumers will be paying for this new tax.

                                                                                                                          I'm just a newbie.

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                                                                                                                            • aico
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                                                                                                                              • Mar 2004
                                                                                                                              • 14748
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              so stand in the street, jesus, do I have to think of everything?

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                                                                                                                                • Dollarmansteve
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                                                                                                                                  • May 2005
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                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by tranza
                                                                                                                                  That's no good.... All the nightclubs will increase prices someway to keep their profitability.

                                                                                                                                  In the end, consumers will be paying for this new tax.

                                                                                                                                  a) club owners in toronto are corrupt (bribing cops, fire inspectors, city employees, etc)
                                                                                                                                  b) clubs make money from allowing gangs, bikers, etc to sell drugs on the premises.
                                                                                                                                  I died.

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                                                                                                                                    • JayDeeZee
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                                                                                                                                      • Aug 2006
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                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      I too think it's a great idea. Try and keep them inside! There's way too much fighting going on down there.

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                                                                                                                                            • MarkMan
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                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
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                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              1st. you people should know the clubs pay for the police presents in the first place.

                                                                                                                                              yes .. they pay off duty police officers to watch and guard the clubs.

                                                                                                                                              what doesn't make any since is this stupid tax, how can they charge a rent fee for using the side walk when the side walk belongs to the Establishment in the first place.

                                                                                                                                              yes.. that is actually the property of the owner.. its just that the city confiscate it for the use of the public
                                                                                                                                              when you actually look at property lines when you buy a property in Toronto .. you would see the side walk is part of your property

                                                                                                                                              so .. now they will charge club owners rent fee to rent their own space back

                                                                                                                                              lol .. unbelievable

                                                                                                                                              if clubs cause crimes then charge them for that .. a tax to increase overall police presents . but don't charge them to rent their own properties .. that's just crazy

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                                                                                                                                                • Kevsh
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                                                                                                                                                  • Dec 2004
                                                                                                                                                  • 8619
                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  They tax those that don't have a voice (or a voice that they care about). If they imposed a tax for lawyers and doctor's offices it wouldn't go anywhere: They are considered a "somebody", club owners and patrons are not.

                                                                                                                                                  (And yes, I know that the lawyer/doctor offices aren't, typically at least, on the street, just trying to make a point )

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                                                                                                                                                    • The Truth Hurts
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                                                                                                                                                      why would there be a need for a police presence or security?

                                                                                                                                                      I was under the impression that there was no violence or no guns, and it's so peaceful up there that everybody leaves just their doors and windows unlocked..

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                                                                                                                                                        • starpimps
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                                                                                                                                                          • Sep 2006
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                                                                                                                                                          fuckin canada eh...i should move back to alberta less tax
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                                                                                                                                                            • Tom_PM
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                                                                                                                                                              • Feb 2005
                                                                                                                                                              • 16443
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                                                                                                                                                              Amazing that you these people can be complete lawbreakers, AND the governments not only dont care, they force legal businesses to shelter them!

                                                                                                                                                              What a couple of retarded governments we have..
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                                                                                                                                                                • Tickler
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                                                                                                                                                                  I wonder how much they would charge when I get wasted, and start doing my 6-lane sidewalk stroll.
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                                                                                                                                                                    • BuggyG
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                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      so.. waiting in line for a bus.. lining up for a store sale... tickets for show/concert.. etc..etc.. will all be taxable now???

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                                                                                                                                                                        • Brad
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                                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2007
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                                                                                                                                                                          Ya, it's pretty fucked up indeed. Along with the alcohol tax they have also proposed, this is getting well out of hand.

                                                                                                                                                                          I was saying to my friends yesterday that if they are actually successful in passing these taxes I am going into politics, either as a city councillor or perhaps mayor. The problem is that I fucking loath politicians and have little to no interest in being in the public eye. That said, someone with some strength of conviction needs to step up and put an end to this shit. Luckily I have a background in politics, having taken it in university and being active when I was younger in campaigns at the city and provincial level. So who knows, I may have a snowballs chance in hell of being elected.
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                                                                                                                                                                            • Brad
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                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by The Truth Hurts
                                                                                                                                                                              why would there be a need for a police presence or security?

                                                                                                                                                                              I was under the impression that there was no violence or no guns, and it's so peaceful up there that everybody leaves just their doors and windows unlocked..
                                                                                                                                                                              That's only a partial truth. Where I went to university I never locked my door and never had any problems (the city was half a million). But you have to take into account that in the club district there are lots of people in a small place and most of them are drunk. That is always going to be a recipe for disaster, or at the very least result in a few minor altercations. It is not a reflection of what it is like to live in Canada. Also you have to keep in mind that Toronto is not a very good indication of what Canada is like as a country, we just happen to be the biggest city.
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                                                                                                                                                                                • urbanpimp
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                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Casa Nova
                                                                                                                                                                                  WHAT THE HELL! Toronto is trying to implement a tax to club owners where they will have to rent out space on the sidewalk since there customers wait in line there?! This will obviously fall off onto the patrons shoulders to pay in higher drink prices/cover etc!!

                                                                                                                                                                                  When will the government stop taxing everything for extra cash?! Greedy Bastards!
                                                                                                                                                                                  That's the price we pay for our wonderful social safety net here in Canada.
                                                                                                                                                                                  Taxes, taxes & more taxes!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • madawgz
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                                                                                                                                                                                      • 30509
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      thats a fucked up tax
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • wyldblyss
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                                                                                                                                                                                          • Nov 2003
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                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Here in my city I think they charge clubs/cafe's for the sidewalk space they use for serving outdoors...don't think they charge for people just standing there though. Talk about a tax grab

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • tranza
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                                                                                                                                                                                              • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 57559
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Dollarmansteve
                                                                                                                                                                                              a) club owners in toronto are corrupt (bribing cops, fire inspectors, city employees, etc)
                                                                                                                                                                                              b) clubs make money from allowing gangs, bikers, etc to sell drugs on the premises.
                                                                                                                                                                                              Damn, I did not know that.
                                                                                                                                                                                              I'm just a newbie.

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