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04-20-2011, 02:40 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...-to-money.html

I told my friend that these poker sites are EVIL and they are probably money launderers and criminals like it says - as they were charged with conspiracy to commit bank and wire fraud, money laundering and illegal gambling.

He said im a fucking idiot and that I should be able to read between the lines and that this is just a bullshit charge to attack legitimate businesses. Why would the United States put these websites on trumped up charges?

But the fact is, there has to be some kind of material for conspiracy theorists otherwise what would they do with their time?

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04-20-2011, 02:42 PM

no dummy... when the federal govt goes after you, they throw every charge they can at you...

all the fed wants is to seize the money and pave the way for vegas corporations to control internet gambling...

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04-20-2011, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

all the fed wants is to seize the money and pave the way for vegas corporations to control internet gambling....

Are you a member of the conspiracy theorist club? My friend might know you.

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04-20-2011, 02:44 PM

While I think the poker sites shouldn't be illegal I do believe that they were shady on their money reporting and trying it hide and launder funds.

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04-20-2011, 02:46 PM

come on .. the poker sites did nothing really "wrong" except piss off vegas big time casino's ;;; everybody with a clue knows that ...
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04-20-2011, 02:46 PM

Originally posted by Vendot

Are you a member of the conspiracy theorist club? My friend might know you.

if your friend is a reptile and works as a double agent for the NSA, then yes, i know your friend...

you should probably go into hiding for a few weeks...

its not safe for you here now that this info has been made available...

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04-20-2011, 02:47 PM

Originally posted by kristin

While I think the poker sites shouldn't be illegal I do believe that they were shady on their money reporting and trying it hide and launder funds.

oh, i didnt know you worked for their accounting dept...

how has this effected you?

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04-20-2011, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

if your friend is a reptile and works as a double agent for the NSA, then yes, i know your friend....

Hold on. Let me get this straight........

(1) Are you saying that the US is being dishonest in some way in making these charges?

(2) Are you saying you disagree with what Kristin is saying?

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04-20-2011, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by Deputy Chief Command

come on .. the poker sites did nothing really "wrong" except piss off vegas big time casino's ;;; everybody with a clue knows that ...

Then you are saying that these charges are basically "bullshit charges"..... am I right? Because governments dont do that.

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04-20-2011, 02:50 PM

someone actually believes the Gov.

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04-20-2011, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Vendot

Hold on. Let me get this straight........

(1) Are you saying that the US is being dishonest in some way in making these charges?

(2) Are you saying you disagree with what Kristin is saying?

the US is full of shit...

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04-20-2011, 03:00 PM

As the article says.... "PokerStars, Full Tilt and Absolute used fraudulent means to work around the ban to continue operating in the U.S., and “trick” banks into processing payments on their behalf."

"The indictment names two principals from each company and others who allegedly worked with them to illegally process payments."

Money laundering is the practice of disguising the origins of illegally-obtained money.

Looks spot on to me....

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04-20-2011, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

oh, i didnt know you worked for their accounting dept...

how has this effected you?

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Yes, the words *I believe* clearly show that I am speaking on behalf of their Accounting Department. (I also believe OJ had a hand in his wife's murder.)

Really, everything you comment on here has a direct effect on you?

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04-20-2011, 03:22 PM

I wouldn't be shocked at all if they actually were involved in shady stuff... perhaps maybe not intentionally, but it's a sure thing that poker sites were used for money laundering... the only question is how much $$ was laundered there, and did owners know about it...

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04-20-2011, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by TheDoc

As the article says.... "PokerStars, Full Tilt and Absolute used fraudulent means to work around the ban to continue operating in the U.S., and ?trick? banks into processing payments on their behalf."

"The indictment names two principals from each company and others who allegedly worked with them to illegally process payments."

Money laundering is the practice of disguising the origins of illegally-obtained money.

Looks spot on to me....

after you get finished washing kristen's underwear can you please do the dishes and take out the garbage...

show me their tax statements and then you might have a case for money laundering..

did they play games to process the money of US gamblers?

yes, they did..

did they launder money?

i dont think so...

the US thinks they can dictate their law around the globe..

however, the US is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, lawbreakers in the world...

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04-20-2011, 03:26 PM

Originally posted by kristin

Yes, the words *I believe* clearly show that I am speaking on behalf of their Accounting Department. (I also believe OJ had a hand in his wife's murder.)

Really, everything you comment on here has a direct effect on you?

yes, i am actually the secret financier of every corporation in the world...

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04-20-2011, 03:32 PM

After this shit with such big poker houses i say i dont TRUST NOBODY AND %, SO BETTER PLAY LIVE AND NOT FOOLED AND TRICKED BY THIS FUCKERS!

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04-20-2011, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

after you get finished washing kristen's underwear can you please do the dishes and take out the garbage...

show me their tax statements and then you might have a case for money laundering..

did they play games to process the money of US gamblers?

yes, they did..

did they launder money?

i dont think so...

the US thinks they can dictate their law around the globe..

however, the US is one of the biggest, if not the biggest, lawbreakers in the world...

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Oh wow a 3rd grade come back, I'm devastated....

Taxes? They're not American, nobody is using a tax return to bust them on this.

Is it illegal to process gambling transactions on U.S. Banks and that is by definition Money Laundering.

It really makes no difference what you think or if the U.S. breaks a ton of laws - in this world and at this time, America is God and until someone changes those rules it will stay that way.

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04-20-2011, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by TheDoc

Oh wow a 3rd grade come back, I'm devastated....

Taxes? They're not American, nobody is using a tax return to bust them on this.

Is it illegal to process gambling transactions on U.S. Banks and that is by definition Money Laundering.

It really makes no difference what you think or if the U.S. breaks a ton of laws - in this world and at this time, America is God and until someone changes those rules it will stay that way.

it is illegal based on US law...

if you think that this is anything less than the US trying to make a money grab and pave the way to US corporate gaming, then you are being naive...

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04-20-2011, 03:50 PM

Does this mean their late night poker matches won't be televised anymore?

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04-20-2011, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

it is illegal based on US law...

if you think that this is anything less than the US trying to make a money grab and pave the way to US corporate gaming, then you are being naive...

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No shit it's based on U.S. law, it's our banks... that's what you're missing here. They were processing gambling transactions through U.S. Banks.

If you were to start processing illegal transactions off ANY Countries banks, the EXACT same thing would come down on you.

I HOPE our Casinos open them and all others remain illegal and it's ALL a money grab, it makes no damn difference who is doing it. However I do feel damn safer knowing it's at least regulated within our borders if our Casinos get to do it.

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04-20-2011, 03:56 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

it is illegal based on US law...

I really don't get your logic at all.... The US law says it's illegal to use US Banks to process offshore gambling. They used various methods to hide the fact that they were processing gambling transactions and there was even something about them bribing some banks to let them do it. So what point exactly are you trying to make?
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04-20-2011, 03:58 PM

The US laws are not generally there to protect the people, they are there to be used when a business needs to use them to increase profits. The US is now run by the big corporations, the people who live there are assets

Needing to be vaccinated to attend school is a typical example.

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04-20-2011, 04:00 PM

I love this part as the timing of the indictments is so interesting...

Wynn Resorts Ltd. (WYNN), owner of Wynn and Encore casinos in Las Vegas and Macau, announced on March 25 an alliance with PokerStars, the world?s biggest online poker business, to seek the legalization of Internet gambling in the U.S. Wynn said it terminated the accord on April 15.

Wynn Resorts ?hesitantly? partnered with PokerStars ?because there didn?t seem to be any interest in the government to enforce restrictions on the game of poker,? chief executive officer and founder Steve Wynn said yesterday on an earnings call, where he compared the situation to last century?s prohibition of alcohol. ?We?re trying to figure out what the hell the public policy is and then we can have a corporate policy.?
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04-24-2011, 07:54 AM

Sheesh, I posted this thread as a joke but there are actually some people stupid enough to fall for these bullshit charges.

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04-24-2011, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by Vendot

Are you a member of the conspiracy theorist club? My friend might know you.

No, he is exactly right. The latest move by the DOJ is ironically the first step to legalizing it all in the states.

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04-24-2011, 08:10 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc

America is God and until someone changes those rules it will stay that way.

OMG this is the funniest thing you have ever said.
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04-24-2011, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc

As the article says.... "PokerStars, Full Tilt and Absolute used fraudulent means to work around the ban to continue operating in the U.S., and “trick” banks into processing payments on their behalf."

"The indictment names two principals from each company and others who allegedly worked with them to illegally process payments."

Money laundering is the practice of disguising the origins of illegally-obtained money.

Looks spot on to me....

All the money laundering charge really pertains to is USA citizens depositing on the site. Because it was illegal for stars and ftp to take funds from US customers they constantly had to setup new payment processor to take in the money. This is why in some cases your credit card/ach deposit (echeck) would be charged for by a clothing store in Singapore or some other type of business that had nothing to do with poker. It was a constant and game of processor being seized and new one popping up to take their place.

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04-24-2011, 10:09 AM

Sucks to be a poker pro right now... gotta go back to work. No more tv money to float your shit, down times. Time to grind like real poker players. The days of celebrity poker are dust. The pool at wsop will be much smaller this year.
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04-24-2011, 10:16 AM

They technically are money laundering criminals based on us laws. The only reason why they were money laundering was to accommodate US players. So technically every person from the US who has played on these sites did the same thing. Everyone knows that transactions don't come from pokerstars or fulltilt and why they did it. But they played anyway. If the US would just tax them and let people in the US play. They would not have to use fake companies for processing.
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04-24-2011, 10:28 AM

An entity making far more money than they will admit to, and trying to cover their tracks?

What kind of outrageous claim is that?

I don't believe it for one minute!!!

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04-24-2011, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by TheDoc

As the article says.... "PokerStars, Full Tilt and Absolute used fraudulent means to work around the ban to continue operating in the U.S., and ?trick? banks into processing payments on their behalf."

"The indictment names two principals from each company and others who allegedly worked with them to illegally process payments."

Money laundering is the practice of disguising the origins of illegally-obtained money.

Looks spot on to me....

Spot on... Although I dont agree with banning gambling online in the US there is a law against it on the books and all these sites have been caught red handed skirting the law. Sites like PartyPoker who stopped processing when the ban went into effect had no issues with the recent indictments.

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04-24-2011, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by Supz

They technically are money laundering criminals based on us laws.

Forgive me if im thick as a brick but how do US laws apply to them.

They are not based in the US.

I can understand the US taking action against their own citizens for flouting the prohibition but how can they impose their laws upon a foreign entity?

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04-24-2011, 01:34 PM

Originally posted by Vendot

Forgive me if im thick as a brick but how do US laws apply to them.

They are not based in the US.

I can understand the US taking action against their own citizens for flouting the prohibition but how can they impose their laws upon a foreign entity?

It doesnt matter where they are located if it involves US citizens/US Banks.

Party Poker and Neteller already went through this and settled with the DOJ. The owner of party poker paid the DOJ 300 million to settle. I dont remember what the Neteller figure was. All of these indictments always come out of the same New York office. They seem to be more interested in big cash grab settlements versus putting people in jail. I wouldn't be surprised if many if not all that were indicted settled as well.
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04-24-2011, 02:06 PM

since they gave control of the domains back already they are probably looking for a big cash settlement than anything more serious.
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04-24-2011, 10:27 PM

The only reason online gambling is banned in the US is because they haven't found a way to tax it yet.

The only reason they're going after the "big 3" poker sites is because they are making money from US players, and the US government has no way to tax it.

If any of you think otherwise, get your head out of the sand. It's only ever been, and only ever will be about tax. Another prime example of this "sin tax" as it's called is cigarettes. There's a reason I can buy a carton of smokes for less than you guys in the states pay for a pack. And it's not because cigarettes made in the US are better.

Same thing with electronic cigarettes. The FDA is trying to ban them because a. they can't be labeled as tobacco products since they contain no tobacco (so big tobacco loses out), and b. they can't be regulated as medical devices by big pharma; and therefore cannot be "sin" taxed.

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04-24-2011, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by marketsmart

no dummy... when the federal govt goes after you, they throw every charge they can at you...

all the fed wants is to seize the money and pave the way for vegas corporations to control internet gambling...

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Right on... It's already in the works. Steve Wynn signed a deal with one of the online poker sites but backed out when they got busted. Harrahs corp. is also looking at a deal to get in on the action. Harry Reid is working on his pay back to the casinos for getting him re elected by sponsoring a bill that would allow online gambling as long as it is (you guessed it) controlled by the casinos... Go figure...
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