HOw Obama feels about the GOP

Funny thread, I based it on that FACT that Barry said his health care law cost as much as Bush's prescription drug bill, when the whole time when he was trying to sell that piece of shit bill he said it would save money.
I'm going by what he said, but his supporters are coming up with all sorts of excuses, thats right EXCUSES!!

Everyone is saying we can't cut medicare or social security or medicaid, so how we going to afford one more entitlement?



Obama said
...today, health insurance reform is the law of the land all across America...

AT&T Inc. will take a $1 billion non-cash accounting charge in the first quarter because of the health care overhaul and may cut benefits it offers to current and retired workers...

Obama said
...over the last year, there's been a lot of misinformation spread about health care reform. There's been plenty of fear-mongering, plenty of overheated rhetoric...

AK Steel Corp... and Valero Energy announced [similar] accounting charges, saying the health care law that President Barack Obama signed Tuesday will raise their expenses.

Obama said
...You turn on the news, you'll see the same folks are still shouting about there's going to be an end of the world because this bill passed. (Laughter.) ...

On Friday, 3M Co. said it will also take a charge of $85 million to $90 million.

Obama said
...I'm not exaggerating. Leaders of the Republican Party, they called the passage of this bill "Armageddon." (Laughter.) Armageddon. "End of freedom as we know it" ...

Manufacturer John Deere announced Thursday that it expected the company's expenses to be about $150 million higher than last year...

Obama said
...So after I signed the bill, I looked around to see if there any -- (laughter) -- asteroids falling or -- (applause) -- some cracks opening up in the Earth. (Laughter.) It turned out it was a nice day. (Laughter.) ...

That came a day after Caterpillar predicted a new cost of $100 million..

Obama said
...Birds were chirping. Folks were strolling down the Mall. People still have their doctors...

Most of the new costs will come in a reduction in subsidies that about 1,400 companies receive for providing drug coverage to their retirees. In an effort to raise several billion dollars for implementing the health care package, the law makes those subsidies taxable, just like income...

Obama
From this day forward, all of the cynics, all the naysayers -- they're going to have to confront the reality of what this reform is and what it isn't... this isn't a government takeover of our health care system. They'll see that if Americans like their doctor, they'll be keeping their doctor. You like your plan? You'll be keeping your plan. No one is taking that away from you......

10 top companies, including Caterpillar, John Deere, Verizon, Xerox, Boeing and Met Life, warned Congress in December that over the long term, it would [hurt their bottom line] "Taxing the subsidy means that more companies will eliminate or reduce the coverage," they warned, "and more retirees will shift to Medicare ... which will create more cost for both the government and the retirees."

Funny thread, I based it on that FACT that Barry said his health care law cost as much as Bush's prescription drug bill

Bush's plan cost as much as an entire healthcare bill with pills included in it. That means Obama's plan was far BETTER, not worse at any level or angle.

do you have a source for a credible set of numbers comparing the two?

one hears this and one hears that - I was surprised when searching that I couldn't instantly find a website with good accounting and comparison.

The way I understood it was if you like your current health care provider keep it and if you don't, change it.- Am I missing something?

Obamacare downshifts the costs to the states. Insurance and taxes are going to go up for the avg citizen but the "cost" for the federal government may appear to go down.

If "downshifting" is a new term to you I suggest you look it up.

Insurance goes up ONLY when insurance companies increase the rates... covering more people lowers rates in every Country in the world, so if they increase it - they alone are fucking us over.

This is a straight forward question out of pure interest-Millions of people will no longer be able to keep their insurance and will have to buy MORE EXPENSIVE insurance. Why can't they keep their current coverage and have to buy more expensive insurance? - I honestly don't understand?

Yes you are missing something. Millions of people will no longer be able to keep their insurance and will have to buy MORE EXPENSIVE insurance. As a matter of fact the whole state of Maine has been deemed exempt from the bill because it would skyrocket the cost.

That's not true... if you have insurance and you keep it, you will not have to change. Unless your corp changes, you change, etc - like always then it changes.

The Fed insurance is not more expensive, it never has been for anyone, ever... if WE covered 100% of Medicare out of our pockets, we would be paying a SHIIIITIITTITITTTT to more, trillions and trillions more.

Yep, Maine got it a partial waiver because the Insurance companies already pay X amount per dollar on 'everyone' in the State. The waiver doesn't exempt the state from Coverage - they still have to provide every State citizen with coverage.

Wrong. Insurance only goes up when the cost of business goes up. And when insurance companies work in a closed system the the hospitals can charge higher and higher rates in turn causing your insurance rates to go up. When your dollar goes down in value your insurance goes up. When more government regulation adds to the cost of the hospitals and insurance companies your cost goes up and so on.

I do not know if your ignorance is on purpose or if you just do not know how business works.

Health CARE costs are going up yet you all expect insurance rates to stay flat. It is actually pretty comical.

You are being dishonest again. Millions of people will have their insurance coverage changed because the feds are forcing companies to change their policies. Well unless you have Obama in your pocket then you get waivers. Which will make the cost of their business go up, which will make the product they produce to go up, which will lead to more out of pocket expense for the tax payer.

So then what you're saying is:

"Obama From this day forward, all of the cynics, all the naysayers -- they're going to have to confront the reality of what this reform is and what it isn't... this isn't a government takeover of our health care system. They'll see that if Americans like their doctor, they'll be keeping their doctor. You like your plan? You'll be keeping your plan. No one is taking that away from you......"

Is it a lie? ..or has he set a minimum already?

Dishonest? How about we stick to actual facts you can backup rather than repeating talking point memos that have been debunked a 100 times over?

I've lived in a Socialized Country before, so your idea of how this can and does work, is greatly incorrect.

Yup working great

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11579979

Socialism it works really!

Does that prove it doesn't work? Nope..... it has actually worked GREAT! And it works great in most Countries with it.

Is it perfect? Hell no... is it cheaper than what we have, GREATLY!

Debunked? Your opinion is no debunking. But basic economics 101 pretty much is fact.

Well it is not cheaper. Because to keep their current system they would need to increase their taxes another 40%+. Just raise taxes and everything would be ok right? It actually failed quite quickly.

And hey, if we're all playing on the same equal playing ground, doesn't that give the free market a better chance? Oh, snap!

That's false and made up from thin air....

^You are talking about countries smaller than a lot of our STATES. Of course if you ask a child if it likes getting free candy or having to work for it they will pick the free candy. That is what children do.

For what it is worth I am not sticking up for insurance companies. I think insurance should be illegal so a real free market could be created. Not what we have now where you can only buy insurance from your state so there is a closed system, helping the costs to go up.

Nope price controls have been prove to fail over and over again. Man you must have never taken any economic classes. Man you really are misinformed.

From thin air? If you are slashing the government by 40% how much would you need to increase taxes by? It is just using a little bit of quick logic. However, you may are right, the number is probably higher. Since they are not cutting taxes just spending.

Looks like you failed economics 101 then.

^You are talking about countries smaller than a lot of our STATES.

^Because the private sector (those who have insurance/paying cash) have been subsidizing the costs of medicare/aid thus distorting the savings of medicare/aid and helping inflate the price of insurance/cash buys.

You really think price controls work? Ok I'm done here because there is no hope of a debate is possible because the foundation is started with a distortion of reality.

http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/PriceControls.html

Exactly. That's why you put the entire population into Medicare, and it helps balance things. The average 21 year old only needs to goto the doctor once a year to get stitches after he got too drunk one night, whereas the average 65 year old needs more care than that. They help balance each other out, although obviously, the baby-boomer generation is going into retirement right now which creates an uneven balance, but that's another debate all together.

Well the flaw is that it would have to be price controlled.