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  • Peace
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    • Sep 2004
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    #1

    Marketing! Need help making header line that sells

    Here i need to write a line. I am thinking to write some think powerful that sells. Like a phrase that will make him want to stay and check content. Not close browser . and Eventually to sign up. So that phrase should program surfer mind a bit.

    May be like never cum in 3-D? Try it now

    Cos i think why they come to site IS TO CUM. So i offer them new experience and offer some thing why he came to site. So he is like i never cum watching 3-D and that is what he may like to try. ??? it could be new experience for him!

    What do you think?

    What would you write here?


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  • lazycash
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    • Aug 2002
    • 15214

    #2
    Why not autoload your flash 3d tour in that small box.
    "WTF, on google you can find the answer to every question in human history, EXCEPT how to convert cams..

    Its crazy..."

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    • _Richard_
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      #3
      'porn for all dimensions' or something

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      • Peace
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        #4
        Thanks guys. Any more ideas?
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        • babymaker
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          #5
          it's the closest thing to being there!

          Watch Out For Flying CUM! :D lol I will think of something really good

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          • Darkhorse
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            • Sep 2002
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            #6
            "More Then Just Eye Popping Fun"

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            • garce
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              #7
              I always cum in 3D. That's why I aim my dick elsewhere.

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              • Peace
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                #8
                Originally posted by garce
                I always cum in 3D. That's why I aim my dick elsewhere.
                Not sure i undertood
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                • Peace
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                  #9
                  Want to feel Orgasm from 3-D Videos? Try it now

                  How does that sound?
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                  • DamianJ
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Peace
                    Want to feel Orgasm from 3-D Videos? Try it now

                    How does that sound?
                    Sounds like English is your second language.

                    I agree with the suggestions of the 3d flash trailer.

                    They are already on a 3d site that says 3d. You don't need to say 3D anymore.

                    If you insist though try: (and many of these you won't 'get')

                    "And now for something completely different"

                    "I wanna take you to another dimension"

                    "Porn, the way it was meant to be"

                    "OMG, like you are, like, still watching, like 2D porn? That's SO 5 minutes ago"

                    "3D or 3DD - you decide"

                    "These tits will poke your eyes out"

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                    • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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                      • Jul 2006
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                      #11
                      Worth a read


                      http://www.amazon.com/Neuromarketing...1646368&sr=8-1

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                      • $5 submissions
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                        #12
                        Enter the NEXT DIMENSION in hardcore porn


                        Why?

                        Enter is a call to action--tells the reader what to do
                        Enter also has psychological undertones--enter as in penetrate as in sex

                        Dimension -- plays up the 3D element of your value proposition
                        Hardcore porn --plays up the substance of your product

                        Anyway, if you use it, put a backlink someone on your page to http://www.highrevenue.com use the anchor text Free Website Traffic

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                        • Peace
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by $5 submissions
                          Enter the NEXT DIMENSION in hardcore porn


                          Why?

                          Enter is a call to action--tells the reader what to do
                          Enter also has psychological undertones--enter as in penetrate as in sex

                          Dimension -- plays up the 3D element of your value proposition
                          Hardcore porn --plays up the substance of your product

                          Anyway, if you use it, put a backlink someone on your page to http://www.highrevenue.com use the anchor text Free Website Traffic


                          That is the kind of answer i like and expected. because you explain the logic behind it. Thank you. Will be considering this
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                          • Peace
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by DamianJ
                            Sounds like English is your second language.

                            I agree with the suggestions of the 3d flash trailer.

                            They are already on a 3d site that says 3d. You don't need to say 3D anymore.

                            If you insist though try: (and many of these you won't 'get')

                            "And now for something completely different"

                            "I wanna take you to another dimension"

                            "Porn, the way it was meant to be"

                            "OMG, like you are, like, still watching, like 2D porn? That's SO 5 minutes ago"

                            "3D or 3DD - you decide"

                            "These tits will poke your eyes out"

                            Nice thank you
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Peace
                              That is the kind of answer i like and expected. because you explain the logic behind it. Thank you. Will be considering this
                              Cool. I meant "somewhere" not "someone" in my statement below:
                              Anyway, if you use it, put a backlink someone on your page to http://www.highrevenue.com use the anchor text Free Website Traffic

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                              • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by DamianJ
                                "OMG, like you are, like, still watching, like 2D porn? That's SO 5 minutes ago"
                                I'd go with something like this, but shorter and more blunt


                                "Still watching yesterday's porn in 2D? Click to enter the 3rd dimension NOW."

                                You're asking a question that you've answered for the viewer. They are going to say YES to your product without being given an option. A rhetorical question like this forces the reader to answer the way you want them to, whether they want to answer the question or not. They are essentially saying "Yes, I am behind the times". Then hit them with the call to action, implying that they can catch up with the rest of the herd. No one wants to be left behind, and they already just admitted to themselves that they aren't current. The less words used, the more blunt impact you'll have. Don't confuse the reader just tell him outright "you're behind the times unless you watch our porn, bitch". I'm sure it could do with a little tweaking, I'm no expert copywriter, but you get the idea...
                                Last edited by Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life; 04-01-2011, 12:44 AM.

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                                • Paul Markham
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                                  • Jun 2001
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                                  #17
                                  If customers like 3D they will not bother with fancy words.

                                  So show them your product, produce something just for the tour to show the talent you have and how you show it in 3D.

                                  Customers who're influenced by words stopped believing them in 2001, after being lied to for years. Porn's essentially a repeat buy product by a repeat buy customer. When content doesn't live up to the words, they're lies. And soon lies aren't believed.

                                  It's 2011 and people still think 2001 marketing works.
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                                  • TrainWreckContent
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                                    #18
                                    looks really good classy!

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                                    • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                      If customers like 3D they will not bother with fancy words.

                                      So show them your product, produce something just for the tour to show the talent you have and how you show it in 3D.

                                      Customers who're influenced by words stopped believing them in 2001, after being lied to for years. Porn's essentially a repeat buy product by a repeat buy customer. When content doesn't live up to the words, they're lies. And soon lies aren't believed.

                                      It's 2011 and people still think 2001 marketing works.
                                      Spoken like a content shooter who hasn't sold fuck all since the days when porn sold itself.

                                      Content doesn't sell itself. Words do. Look at the success of flogs, mile long sales pages and the likes. Copywriting is becoming more and more refined with time. You can give the exact same content to 20 different marketers and one of them is going to sell it like hotcakes, while the next doesn't sell shit. These days you need to convince the buyer they're getting something special, something they haven't seen before, and something that no one else can offer them. Even if this is a complete load of utter shit. Good copy is more than just writing a headline however.

                                      If you really think the general consumer market is immune to sales copy, explain to me why worthless berry powder pills still make up a multi-billion dollar industry. I'll admit, porn is a little different market than mainstream products, but the idea holds the same, and very very few adult content sites really drive a hard sales pitch on the tour. So many still rely on the content to sell itself. Fact of the matter is that porn just doesn't sell like it used to. the idea behind pitching a sale hasn't lost it's effectiveness in adult, the content itself has. If anything people should be looking more into creative sales pitches than ever before..
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                                      • Paul Markham
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                                        • Jun 2001
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Angry Jew Cat
                                        Spoken like a content shooter who hasn't sold fuck all since the days when porn sold itself.
                                        Spoken like a fool.

                                        How many times are you lied to before you start to disbelieve what you're being told?

                                        Just because you're foolish enough to keep believing spin doesn't mean everyone is.

                                        You're the ones who worked in the days when porn sold itself. Remember the old days on the Internet when if you put up a site with crap and a few glossy words and sent traffic it sold 1-100?

                                        I sold in a market that few could get into, getting paid what magazines paid made it very competitive for shooters.
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                                        • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                          Spoken like a fool.

                                          How many times are you lied to before you start to disbelieve what you're being told?

                                          Just because you're foolish enough to keep believing spin doesn't mean everyone is.

                                          You're the ones who worked in the days when porn sold itself. Remember the old days on the Internet when if you put up a site with crap and a few glossy words and sent traffic it sold 1-100?

                                          I sold in a market that few could get into, getting paid what magazines paid made it very competitive for shooters.
                                          I repeat, content does not sell itself. This is why you're considered a dinosaur in the market. Not because you yourself are ancient, but because your entire view of whats going on is...

                                          The text is what makes the sale these days, NOT the content. People have been buying snake oil and dreams for centuries, still do like crazy today, and will continue to for the foreseeable future. Why? Because it was sold "right"...

                                          Take a look at adult dating sites for another prime example. Shouldn't everyone by now realize these are all a huge crock of shit? "Hot babes are waiting for you in your town. Signup now!" Sure they fucking are. It should be come sense that these hot babes are not actually there, but the emotional triggers have been played, and an effective call to action still has thousands upon thousands of idiots signing up every day.

                                          Maybe if more pornslingers actually put some thought into their own copy people would be seeing some slightly better conversions...
                                          Last edited by Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life; 04-01-2011, 01:55 AM.

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                                          • Paul Markham
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                                            • Jun 2001
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Angry Jew Cat
                                            I repeat, content does not sell itself. This is why you're considered a dinosaur in the market. Not because you yourself are ancient, but because your entire view of whats going on is...

                                            The text is what makes the sale these days, NOT the content. People have been buying snake oil and dreams for centuries, still do like crazy today, and will continue to for the foreseeable future. Why? Because it was sold "right"...

                                            Take a look at adult dating sites for another prime example. Shouldn't everyone by now realize these are all a huge crock of shit? "Hot babes are waiting for you in your town. Signup now!" Sure they fucking are. It should be come sense that these hot babes are not actually there, but the emotional triggers have been played, and an effective call to action still has thousands upon thousands of idiots signing up every day.

                                            Maybe if more pornslingers actually put some thought into their own copy people would be seeing some slightly better conversions...
                                            Some still think it's 2001. No wonder sales are falling.

                                            Like after telling the customer shit is gold the customer can still be fooled.

                                            Dating sites will suffer the same and the con artist selling them will suffer. How long does it take is the only unknown.

                                            The text promises, the content delivers.

                                            With sales falling some still believe the fix is to carry on doing the same they've been doing for the last 10 years. You're the dinosaur. I'm the adapter.



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                                            • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                              Some still think it's 2001. No wonder sales are falling.

                                              Like after telling the customer shit is gold the customer can still be fooled.

                                              Dating sites will suffer the same and the con artist selling them will suffer. How long does it take is the only unknown.

                                              The text promises, the content delivers.

                                              With sales falling some still believe the fix is to carry on doing the same they've been doing for the last 10 years. You're the dinosaur. I'm the adapter.
                                              You and your "content, content, content" arguments all the time. Face it, the content is worthless. Until someone who can sell it does. The only reason porn is hurting like it is right now is piracy. Hands down. Nevermind the card banging and other shady shit promises that don't deliver. Suckers would still be lining up to buy porn by the truckload if it weren't everywhere for free.

                                              If you want someone to buy your content these days, you gotta convince them it's worth buying in the first place, and worry about delivering on your promises later, because nothing you do content wise is going to stand out from a dozen other people doing the exact same thing. You've got to convince that person that paying you is a worthwhile investment versus just downloading what is everywhere for free.

                                              Your grandpa's secret recipe shit isn't going to get your anywhere on it's own. Your entire logic lays on it's faith in one fatal flaw. The idea that people have the smarts to know better or learn from their mistakes and the mistakes of others. People are stupid stupid fucking animals. I've already given more than enough prime examples of this.

                                              You seem to have this idea that people have grown immune to the marketing. Nay. They're grown immune to paying when everything is free right across the street. If anything good marketing has helped keep those who are still afloat in the game, when all odds are against them. In markets where this isn't the case, he who stands on top is still the guy with the best marketing aptitude, and the key to making the sale will always lay in the message being delivered by the salesman.
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                                              • babymaker
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by $5 submissions
                                                Enter the NEXT DIMENSION in hardcore porn


                                                Why?

                                                Enter is a call to action--tells the reader what to do
                                                Enter also has psychological undertones--enter as in penetrate as in sex

                                                Dimension -- plays up the 3D element of your value proposition
                                                Hardcore porn --plays up the substance of your product

                                                Anyway, if you use it, put a backlink someone on your page to http://www.highrevenue.com use the anchor text Free Website Traffic
                                                He has the winner give him a prize It works!

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                                                • Paul Markham
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Angry Jew Cat
                                                  You and your "content, content, content" arguments all the time. Face it, the content is worthless. Until someone who can sell it does. The only reason porn is hurting like it is right now is piracy. Hands down. Nevermind the card banging and other shady shit promises that don't deliver. Suckers would still be lining up to buy porn by the truckload if it weren't everywhere for free.

                                                  If you want someone to buy your content these days, you gotta convince them it's worth buying in the first place, and worry about delivering on your promises later, because nothing you do content wise is going to stand out from a dozen other people doing the exact same thing. You've got to convince that person that paying you is a worthwhile investment versus just downloading what is everywhere for free.

                                                  Your grandpa's secret recipe shit isn't going to get your anywhere on it's own. Your entire logic lays on it's faith in one fatal flaw. The idea that people have the smarts to know better or learn from their mistakes and the mistakes of others. People are stupid stupid fucking animals. I've already given more than enough prime examples of this.

                                                  You seem to have this idea that people have grown immune to the marketing. Nay. They're grown immune to paying when everything is free right across the street. If anything good marketing has helped keep those who are still afloat in the game, when all odds are against them. In markets where this isn't the case, he who stands on top is still the guy with the best marketing aptitude, and the key to making the sale will always lay in the message being delivered by the salesman.
                                                  Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah,

                                                  http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...9#post18019709

                                                  Shows how little you know.



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                                                  • Eldon Hoke
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                                                    • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                      Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah,

                                                      http://www.gfy.com/showthread.php?p=...9#post18019709

                                                      Shows how little you know.
                                                      bla bla bla you delusional old fuck. good luck retaining sales that you don't make in the first place. you actually gotta make a sale before you rebill it you fucking idiot.

                                                      this conversation is about completing an initial goal, not rebilling after that fact. as usual, you're rambling about off topic shit that has no relevance to the topic at hand. take your medication and concentrate a little harder grandpa. you know content creation, you obviously don't know fuck about marketing. that's why you make your money selling content to people who do...
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                                                      • DamianJ
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Angry Jew Cat
                                                        bla bla bla you delusional old fuck. good luck retaining sales that you don't make in the first place. you actually gotta make a sale before you rebill it you fucking idiot.

                                                        this conversation is about completing an initial goal, not rebilling after that fact. as usual, you're rambling about off topic shit that has no relevance to the topic at hand. take your medication and concentrate a little harder grandpa. you know content creation, you obviously don't know fuck about marketing. that's why you make your money selling content to people who do...
                                                        don't bother man, Paul's trolling you.

                                                        He acts like he is REALLY, painfully stupid to annoy people.

                                                        He doesn't really think that there are no new porn customers, he doesn't really think that words make no difference.

                                                        He's fucking with you, broseph.

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                                                        • Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by DamianJ
                                                          don't bother man, Paul's trolling you.

                                                          He acts like he is REALLY, painfully stupid to annoy people.

                                                          He doesn't really think that there are no new porn customers, he doesn't really think that words make no difference.

                                                          He's fucking with you, broseph.
                                                          no he's genuinely fucking retarded.

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                                                          • DamianJ
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by Angry Jew Cat
                                                            no he's genuinely fucking retarded.
                                                            Where's your 20 page thread?

                                                            The guy is a marketing genius. He has fooled everyone into thinking he is retarded, but it is all planned out.

                                                            Come on, Paul Markham taking 3 grand from the person he blames the state the industry is in? He is aping the story of Judas and I bet you 20 bucks there is going to be some HILARIOUS punchline where he just films his bony arse shitting on the contract from Manwin and him spending the piracy money on cabbages or whatever there is to buy where he lives.

                                                            Don't underestimate him, he's smarter than you think.
                                                            Last edited by DamianJ; 04-01-2011, 06:26 AM.

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                                                            • CaptainHowdy
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by Angry Jew Cat

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                                                              • Paul Markham
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                                                                • Jun 2001
                                                                • 52942

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by DamianJ
                                                                don't bother man, Paul's trolling you.

                                                                He acts like he is REALLY, painfully stupid to annoy people.

                                                                He doesn't really think that there are no new porn customers, he doesn't really think that words make no difference.

                                                                He's fucking with you, broseph.
                                                                If I'm stupid it shows how much intelligence you need to make it in porn and last 3 decades.

                                                                The problem with AJC is he only sees one side. Words are required, but they are now taken with a pinch of sale by people surfing porn. The words can only reflect what the content delivers. Telling someone that this is the greatest porn since the invention of porn won't convince someone if the porn samples don't live up to it.

                                                                Also images are far more powerful than words A picture is worth a thousand words

                                                                Especially when you're selling a visual experience. No doubt in a book the text is everything, but when selling images, images are tops.

                                                                Also with all due respect to you and him. Great text can be copied a lot easier and a lot cheaper than great images. Anyone who knows how to sell and the product can copy text. Takes skill to copy good content and money.

                                                                I never said there were NO new customers. But the reliance on new customers says we fucked up some of the existing ones. New customers should be extra business, not replacement business.



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                                                                • DamianJ
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  [QUOTE=Paul Markham;18020170]If I'm stupid it shows how much intelligence you need to make it in porn and last 3 decades.[/quote

                                                                  Are you having trouble reading today Puzizzle? I said exactly the opposite my fine friend!

                                                                  I am saying you ACT stupid. But I know you're not. All these funny jokes about the adult market shrinking while Epoch and CCBill say it is growing etc. Hilarious!

                                                                  And the stuff about there being no new porn consumers makes me pee a little laughing. Fucking great stuff! I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling you a genius.

                                                                  You amuse me no end.

                                                                  And who else has a 20 page thread?

                                                                  Who else is taking 3 grand of piracy money?

                                                                  You game these fools every day and they believe you actually MEAN WHAT YOU POST! LOL!

                                                                  YOU DA MOTHERFUCKING MAN!

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                                                                  • Peace
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    [QUOTE=DamianJ;18020231]
                                                                    Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                                                    If I'm stupid it shows how much intelligence you need to make it in porn and last 3 decades.[/quote

                                                                    Are you having trouble reading today Puzizzle? I said exactly the opposite my fine friend!

                                                                    I am saying you ACT stupid. But I know you're not. All these funny jokes about the adult market shrinking while Epoch and CCBill say it is growing etc. Hilarious!

                                                                    And the stuff about there being no new porn consumers makes me pee a little laughing. Fucking great stuff! I'm not calling you stupid, I'm calling you a genius.

                                                                    You amuse me no end.

                                                                    And who else has a 20 page thread?

                                                                    Who else is taking 3 grand of piracy money?

                                                                    You game these fools every day and they believe you actually MEAN WHAT YOU POST! LOL!

                                                                    YOU DA MOTHERFUCKING MAN!


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                                                                    • DamianJ
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      [QUOTE=Peace;18020476]
                                                                      Originally posted by DamianJ


                                                                      Why fight? you are on the Peace thread
                                                                      I'm not fighting. I'm calling Paul Markham a genius. He is. Very clever.

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