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  • justinsain
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    • Feb 2005
    • 3374
    #51
    Originally posted by MaDalton
    your sarcasm detector is broken...


    but: weed is of all drugs surely the most harmless, opposed to nicotine and alcohol it's not addictive (physically)


    and i just found this:

    Quote:
    Worldwide Cost of Nicotine, Alcohol, and Drug Abuse

    (in billions of dollars)

    Alcohol addiction $885
    Drug abuse $880
    Smoking $400

    Total cost: $2,165 billion
    Note: Based on 2005 world market data.
    Source: Kalorama Information
    ELSEVIER GLOBAL MEDICAL NEWS


    It should be noted that there are many countries/ cultures where just the cost of smoking makes it prohibitive while alcohol is cheap and easily available. Alcohol is far more available and used world wide than cigarettes.

    The stats above would be more telling and pertinent to this discussion if they were about countries where alcohol and cigarettes are both available.

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      • Sly
        Let's do some business!
        • Sep 2004
        • 31377
        #52
        Originally posted by SpicyM
        THIS..

        + for Madalton: If you drink alcohol , you do NOT damage health of others around you. So no, its not the same as alcohol.
        As smoking is now banned in most public places, it does no health damage to me. I probably get more help damage strolling down the street breathing in all of the car fumes.
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          • Bama
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            • Nov 2001
            • 2727
            #53
            I went up to the Duty Free shop this week on a trip up to Canada and bought a carton of cigarettes. The price for a carton was $18

            That same carton of cigarettes would have cost me $78 had I purchased it in the U.S. $60 bucks in taxes on 1 carton of cigarettes. That's probably a bit higher than the national average because Washington has no state tax so they have to get theirs on top of the national tax but I'm guessing $40 per carton in federal tax would be close.

            Multiply $40 by the number of cartons sold per week and then go kiss a smoker, ashtray mouth and all, and thank him/her for keeping you in the tax bracket you're in because without that tax revenue, you damned sure wouldn't be anymore.

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              • AdultKing
                Raise Your Weapon
                • Jun 2003
                • 15601
                #54
                Carton of smokes in Thailand about $10 AUD

                Carton of smokes in Australia about $90 AUD

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                  • Bama
                    Confirmed User
                    • Nov 2001
                    • 2727
                    #55
                    Originally posted by SpicyM
                    THIS..

                    + for Madalton: If you drink alcohol , you do NOT damage health of others around you. So no, its not the same as alcohol.
                    Second-hand smoke can kill you in 20 years, an person drinking & driving can kill you tonight.

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                      • MaDalton
                        I am Amazing Content!
                        • Feb 2004
                        • 39861
                        #56
                        Originally posted by SpicyM
                        THIS..

                        + for Madalton: If you drink alcohol , you do NOT damage health of others around you. So no, its not the same as alcohol.
                        really, i was just being sarcastic...

                        but that alcohol doesn't damage the health of others you can tell those who were killed by drunk drivers, women and children that get beaten up by drunk fathers and husbands and so on.
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                          • PR_Glen
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                            • Oct 2006
                            • 9058
                            #57
                            Originally posted by Bama
                            Second-hand smoke can kill you in 20 years, an person drinking & driving can kill you tonight.
                            people aren't dying in alarming numbers from drunk driving, in fact it is not even a major problem, MADD has been over exaggerating their stats for years...

                            more people die from falling off of ladders...
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                              • Deputy Chief Command
                                Deputy Chief Command
                                • Nov 2005
                                • 4482
                                #58
                                Originally posted by AdultKing
                                Carton of smokes in Thailand about $10 AUD

                                Carton of smokes in Australia about $90 AUD
                                the smokes you buy in thailand are crap .. cheap but crappy .. dont smoke them! they will instantly kill you

                                I remeber smoking marlboro's there and having this mad cough I normally dont have .. it went away once I stopped smoking the crappyy Thai cigarettes !! fucking garbage I tell ya

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                                  • MaDalton
                                    I am Amazing Content!
                                    • Feb 2004
                                    • 39861
                                    #59
                                    and btw - i used to smoke a lot but gave up abour 8-9 years ago. i hate the smell of cigarette smoke nowadays and i have no problem if it gets banned worldwide. but i also believe in personal freedoms and if someone wants to sit on his veranda and smoke a cigarette then he should be able to do that.

                                    but: they should pay for their cancer treatment out of their own pockets ;)
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                                      • Deputy Chief Command
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                                        • Nov 2005
                                        • 4482
                                        #60
                                        Originally posted by PR_Glen
                                        people aren't dying in alarming numbers from drunk driving, in fact it is not even a major problem, MADD has been over exaggerating their stats for years...

                                        more people die from falling off of ladders...
                                        how about exhaust fumes ? they deadly or not ?

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                                          • justinsain
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                                            • Feb 2005
                                            • 3374
                                            #61
                                            Originally posted by BlackCrayon
                                            i am not against alcohol and i am not "for" cigarettes but how many crimes are commited while people are drunk? how many rapes are blamed on being drunk? sure, maybe buddy only drinks once a month but then gets in his car and kills people. he still did more damage that a guy who smoked all his life. i know lots of people who only smoke when they drink, so they can't be addicted...one thing about cigarettes, at least it won't turn people into psychotic lunatics like alcohol can.
                                            I agree with you.

                                            However, my point is that drinking alcohol doesn't automatically make one do all that you've said. It takes a second step that one may or may not take. The use of the alcohol needs to be abused for it to become harmful.

                                            The act of smoking a cigarette is harmful immediately and even though it's only harmful to the smoker, the damage is being done.

                                            It's the same logic as guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people. If we go around banning everything that can be abused and cause harm like cars, the internet, parenthood and the Jersey Shore we won't have anything left.

                                            Plain and simple, alcohol can be used responsibly and be harmless and smoking cigarettes cannot. That's the difference.

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                                              • irwin99
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                                                • Oct 2010
                                                • 144
                                                #62
                                                Anybody who fell for this is an idiot. Obviously not true.

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                                                  • AdultKing
                                                    Raise Your Weapon
                                                    • Jun 2003
                                                    • 15601
                                                    #63
                                                    Last year a region in Melbourne started issuing $2000 fines for smoking in parts of the city

                                                    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/vic...-1225949686390

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                                                      • Zyber
                                                        Confirmed User
                                                        • Aug 2001
                                                        • 832
                                                        #64
                                                        Originally posted by AdultKing
                                                        From 1st January 2013, if you come to Australia, leave the cigarettes at home because bringing them into Australia will just be like bringing in weed or other drugs.

                                                        Here's the news story, apparently it was covered on Lateline on the ABC tonight with an interview with the health minister.
                                                        Do you have a link to the source of your initial post?

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                                                          • AdultKing
                                                            Raise Your Weapon
                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                            • 15601
                                                            #65
                                                            Originally posted by Zyber
                                                            Do you have a link to the source of your initial post?
                                                            Here's a link to the tobacco industry response

                                                            www.ideservetobeheard.com.au

                                                            I'll post more links as they become available.

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                                                              • Deputy Chief Command
                                                                Deputy Chief Command
                                                                • Nov 2005
                                                                • 4482
                                                                #66
                                                                Originally posted by AdultKing
                                                                Here's a link to the tobacco industry response

                                                                www.ideservetobeheard.com.au

                                                                I'll post more links as they become available.
                                                                lol.. stop the trolling

                                                                The I Deserve to Be Heard campaign was launched by Philip Morris Limited, which makes Marlboro and other popular brands. It encourages smokers to write to their MP and enlist the support of other frustrated smokers.

                                                                The campaign has three grievances - outdoor smoking bans, taxes, and plain packaging and display of cigarettes.

                                                                Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/chee...#ixzz1ICKEb7xI



                                                                not one mention of 2013 complete smoking ban ;-)

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                                                                  • xato
                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                    • Mar 2003
                                                                    • 1205
                                                                    #67
                                                                    Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                    and btw - i used to smoke a lot but gave up abour 8-9 years ago. i hate the smell of cigarette smoke nowadays and i have no problem if it gets banned worldwide. but i also believe in personal freedoms and if someone wants to sit on his veranda and smoke a cigarette then he should be able to do that.

                                                                    but: they should pay for their cancer treatment out of their own pockets ;)
                                                                    I absolutely concur with everything you just said.
                                                                    Except that I never smoked.
                                                                    I hate the smell too, but fuck that, personal freedom should be the highest priority.

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                                                                      • AdultKing
                                                                        Raise Your Weapon
                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                        • 15601
                                                                        #68
                                                                        Current time in Melbourne

                                                                        Fri 1 Apr 2011 04:13:14 EST

                                                                        Goodnight everyone

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                                                                          • SpicyM
                                                                            Confirmed User
                                                                            • Aug 2006
                                                                            • 4575
                                                                            #69
                                                                            Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                            really, i was just being sarcastic...

                                                                            but that alcohol doesn't damage the health of others you can tell those who were killed by drunk drivers, women and children that get beaten up by drunk fathers and husbands and so on.
                                                                            I mean direct damage from alcohol.. not connected to vehicles or anything else.


                                                                            This way I could tell that smokers can also set fire while smoking and kill 50 people in a building.
                                                                            no sig, sorry

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                                                                              • SpicyM
                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                • Aug 2006
                                                                                • 4575
                                                                                #70
                                                                                Originally posted by Bama
                                                                                Second-hand smoke can kill you in 20 years, an person drinking & driving can kill you tonight.
                                                                                It is not alcohol, its the peoples stupidity that kills.. the car is not drunk, only the person driving it.
                                                                                no sig, sorry

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                                                                                  • SpicyM
                                                                                    Confirmed User
                                                                                    • Aug 2006
                                                                                    • 4575
                                                                                    #71
                                                                                    Originally posted by Sly
                                                                                    As smoking is now banned in most public places, it does no health damage to me.
                                                                                    Yeah, smoking is really banned in most public places and smokers dont give a shit unless they see policemen around.. never heard of anyone being sanctioned for smoking.
                                                                                    no sig, sorry

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                                                                                      • cooldude7
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                                                                                        • Nov 2009
                                                                                        • 4306
                                                                                        #72
                                                                                        Originally posted by xato
                                                                                        I absolutely concur with everything you just said.
                                                                                        Except that I never smoked.
                                                                                        I hate the smell too, but fuck that, personal freedom should be the highest priority.
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                                                                                          • Bama
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                                                                                            • Nov 2001
                                                                                            • 2727
                                                                                            #73
                                                                                            Originally posted by PR_Glen
                                                                                            people aren't dying in alarming numbers from drunk driving, in fact it is not even a major problem, MADD has been over exaggerating their stats for years...
                                                                                            more people die from falling off of ladders...
                                                                                            That's a "town-crier" type response. Not only is it just not accurate, it's flat out not true.

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                                                                                              • Bama
                                                                                                Confirmed User
                                                                                                • Nov 2001
                                                                                                • 2727
                                                                                                #74
                                                                                                Originally posted by SpicyM
                                                                                                It is not alcohol, its the peoples stupidity that kills.. the car is not drunk, only the person driving it.
                                                                                                Who are you kidding? The car is drunk as a skunk too!
                                                                                                Let's see how you fair chugging down 16 gallons of 10% proof!



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                                                                                                  • Zyber
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                                                                                                    • Aug 2001
                                                                                                    • 832
                                                                                                    #75
                                                                                                    Originally posted by AdultKing
                                                                                                    Current time in Melbourne

                                                                                                    Fri 1 Apr 2011 04:13:14 EST

                                                                                                    Goodnight everyone
                                                                                                    Good one!

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                                                                                                      • moeloubani
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                                                                                                        • Dec 2007
                                                                                                        • 4235
                                                                                                        #76
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                                                                                                          • AdultKing
                                                                                                            Raise Your Weapon
                                                                                                            • Jun 2003
                                                                                                            • 15601
                                                                                                            #77
                                                                                                            Australia might as well ban the kangaroo The Government would have more luck doing that.

                                                                                                            The sad thing is that people keep smoking even at between $15 - $18 a packet, yes that much, and will continue to do so. I am trying to give up myself.

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                                                                                                              • livexxx
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                                                                                                                • May 2005
                                                                                                                • 1201
                                                                                                                #78
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                                                                                                                  • dazzling
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                                                                                                                    • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                    • 579
                                                                                                                    #79
                                                                                                                    This post is NOT true. No such statement has been made by the Prime Minister of Australia. Note how there is no link to a reliabe news article on this.
                                                                                                                    And second, only the State Governments can ban smoking, not the federal government.
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                                                                                                                        #80
                                                                                                                        Originally posted by dazzling
                                                                                                                        This post is NOT true. No such statement has been made by the Prime Minister of Australia. Note how there is no link to a reliabe news article on this.
                                                                                                                        And second, only the State Governments can ban smoking, not the federal government.
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                                                                                                                          • dazzling
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                                                                                                                            • 579
                                                                                                                            #81
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                                                                                                                              • garce
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                                                                                                                                • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                • 7103
                                                                                                                                #82
                                                                                                                                Originally posted by CDSmith
                                                                                                                                Great, another draconian law in Australia!

                                                                                                                                Oh wait, no it isn't. It's actually about time a country stepped up and did this. I approve the abolishing of this filthy habit. Canada next please.
                                                                                                                                Ain't gonna happen. Our indigenous people would revolt like you've never seen before. Seriously - guns, the army, the complete and utter shutdown of of all national and local transportation. The complete shutdown of any development near native lands.

                                                                                                                                As much as politically-correct, spineless assholes want to kiss government ass for "saving our lives", I want to shove hot pokers up their asses. Repeatedly.

                                                                                                                                If Australia is going to ban tobacco, they should ban McDonalds and KFC - and any other mass-produced consumable product.

                                                                                                                                Fuck your hypocrisy.

                                                                                                                                As long as you're going to eat food out of a package, drive a car, and heat your house - I'm going to smoke cigarettes and cigars.

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                                                                                                                                  • twistyneck
                                                                                                                                    So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                    • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                    • 4660
                                                                                                                                    #83
                                                                                                                                    I love Australia but they have laws against everything. Fucking hell, I don't know why the people there put up with it.

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                                                                                                                                      • BlackCrayon
                                                                                                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                                        • Jun 2003
                                                                                                                                        • 19634
                                                                                                                                        #84
                                                                                                                                        Originally posted by garce
                                                                                                                                        Ain't gonna happen. Our indigenous people would revolt like you've never seen before. Seriously - guns, the army, the complete and utter shutdown of of all national and local transportation. The complete shutdown of any development near native lands.

                                                                                                                                        As much as politically-correct, spineless assholes want to kiss government ass for "saving our lives", I want to shove hot pokers up their asses. Repeatedly.

                                                                                                                                        If Australia is going to ban tobacco, they should ban McDonalds and KFC - and any other mass-produced consumable product.

                                                                                                                                        Fuck your hypocrisy.

                                                                                                                                        As long as you're going to eat food out of a package, drive a car, and heat your house - I'm going to smoke cigarettes and cigars.
                                                                                                                                        no matter what happens you'll never stop the natives from selling smokes so, no worries.
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                                                                                                                                            #85
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                                                                                                                                              • georgeyw
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                                                                                                                                                • Jul 2005
                                                                                                                                                • 9865
                                                                                                                                                #86
                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                                                                they should ban alcohol too then, it's not less dangerous.

                                                                                                                                                and cars, considering there are many accidents that kill people.
                                                                                                                                                WTF? 'it's not less dangerous' ?
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                                                                                                                                                  • nico-t
                                                                                                                                                    emperor of my world
                                                                                                                                                    • Aug 2004
                                                                                                                                                    • 29901
                                                                                                                                                    #87
                                                                                                                                                    freedom

                                                                                                                                                    nuff said!

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                                                                                                                                                      • theloller
                                                                                                                                                        Registered User
                                                                                                                                                        • Feb 2011
                                                                                                                                                        • 87
                                                                                                                                                        #88
                                                                                                                                                        and right now, i'm going to light up a red marlboro. tsk.
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                                                                                                                                                          • GatorB
                                                                                                                                                            The Demon & 12clicks
                                                                                                                                                            • Oct 2001
                                                                                                                                                            • 18208
                                                                                                                                                            #89
                                                                                                                                                            Originally posted by AdultKing
                                                                                                                                                            They should govern the country, not our lives, but really this has been on the cards a long time, it's just taken a reformist government to have the balls to do it. NZ has considered the same thing in the past.
                                                                                                                                                            If MY tax dollars are paying for YOUR health care then I think I should have a say if YOUR bad habbits are costing ME money.

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                                                                                                                                                              • Emil
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                                                                                                                                                                • Feb 2007
                                                                                                                                                                • 5655
                                                                                                                                                                #90
                                                                                                                                                                Originally posted by MaDalton
                                                                                                                                                                they should ban alcohol too then, it's not less dangerous.

                                                                                                                                                                and cars, considering there are many accidents that kill people.
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