It's harder to shoot porn today than it was back in the old days.

Nice to be invited to shoot... but as we disagree on so many levels with people shooting here we would see no point. We gladly admit we make bad porn.

Unlike Paul we believe in reading books, even in education...we believe a "hot scene" is better if it is shot in high quality.

We also believe that there is no reason why the erotic could not be an art form in the same way normal culture makes crime into art.

When you talk about well shot do you compare what you do to a professional program like "The Wire" or professional photography in say Vogue ?

So we take the most beautiful girls and film them nicely and this is what we get...





And here is the porn movies we make

Barbie' sWashday

Somehow we hav'nt got the hang of making proper porn yet....

And for the record, I don't give a flying FUCK about Nathan or Manwin.....But once you open your fucking trap, BACK IT UP!!

That must take forever to film frame by frame.

this is an attack on my marketing business - marketmofo.com - and a rules violation.

proof or be banned mother fucker

you slam all these guys for knowing nothing about marketing (Damian/Robby/Fabian) but you are just a has-been photographer and a fucking idiot to think you know anything beyond photography.

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Shooters contest? That goes on in buy and sell everyday. Either it sells or it doesnt

Yes all the screencaps in the site are like this. And there are other scenes like this as well. The basic problem isn't the shooter, it's the organisation behind him. If he was auditioning who chose him? He's poor.

Worse than that is the guy that dreamed up the scene. WTF was he smoking? Loads of their scenes are the same. Dreamed up with no real idea of what porn is, maybe I found Fabian's real job at Manwin. The idea of starting off a fuck scene with 11 minutes of the girl doing little but wiggling her ass at the camera while some Irish Jig music is edited in over the top shows stupidity.

Then allowing two plastic models fuck like these two shows bad shooting, but who booked them?

The whole thing is crap and a waste of time, disc space and members time.

The "Good" scenes on their site are just average scenes. They do have one shooter who clearly knows what he's doing. but it's shot in a way that's been done to death and on so many sites it's now boring.

Bangbus came out 10-12 years ago and showed the way. They took an idea that had been done sporadically on video and made it into a whole theme for a site. They innovated and surfers responded. Perfect Gonzo took a great shooter and made some great porn, sadly when he went to the DVD industry, Evil Angel I was told, they never replaced him. And that's just 2 examples of how it should be done.

Give surfers bloody good reasons to spend money. And those reasons can't be "marketing" because once bitten twice shy. Surfers don't believe all the hype, they know bullshit when they see it by now. They look at the content and the content only before making a decision to spend.

Still problems with piracy and free, but still a few willing to pay and that's how to make them. Throwing more free content at them clearly no longer works.

plsureking this kind of content can't be overcome with marketing. Porn is a repeat buy product by repeat buy customers. This pisses them off and makes Tubes a better deal for them. That's my proof.

If you think words and design fool anyone after 15 years of online porn you're kidding yourself.

Now if marketing porn is something different please inform us. Show us you have a clue what marketing is about. Or show I'm right. If you show me something that proves your right. From your site I don't see anything great.

Those tricks worked 10 years ago. Today they don't the buyers are wiser. Shouting out the same message over and over just herds traffic. That's not real marketing. It's as if marketing is giving out fliers on the high street. The lowest form.

As for only knowing how to shoot. How silly.

Guys that only know how to shoot are working for Fabian or for a shooter who can market. They don't know how to market or sell their product to the best markets. I've been in business for nearly 4 decades, even before I came to porn I was in business.

Without the ability to market and sell my content I would of been gone 30 years ago. Without the ability to manage a business I would of been gone long ago, without the ability to manage staff I would of been gone long ago. I employed 3 shooters in a 3500 SQ ft studio and an office of 5 people at our height in 2005.

To say I only know how to shoot is stupid. Truth is I know very little about photography. I'm a pornographer who can market himself, sell his and his staff's content in the highest paying markets, run a business and manage staff.

You think throwing mud at a wall is marketing.

Maybe to newbies, but not guys who have a clue. Here's one of the first things I learned when being taught about real marketing.

In WW2, the best ground to air defense against planes was the Anti Aircraft gun. It sprayed the sky with exploding shells in the hope of hitting something. 500 shells to get one hit. Today they use a ground to air guided missiles. 1 missile 1 hit. Real marketing is identifying the 1 missile that will make your prospective client buy.

Not spraying out garbage that everyone else sprays out.

blah blah no one cares ................. you had your shot you got scared now back to puzzles and ironing.

So put up one of those scenes. No need to shoot anything.

Don't expect anyone to take it up especially loud mouth clowns. That's why I threw it up. To see who has balls instead of big mouths.

Your content would be easy to spot. Spot the ghetto whore.

Once I get the money from Fabian I will shoot. I never said anything about a contract. I agreed to his terms of signing a contract, just want one part crystal clear. If I can shoot a scene as horny as the Irish Jig one, it's a done deal. He can put that in the contract, that's clearly acceptable.

Good night trolls.

What????
Does this mean you're doing it?

You've dug so much, you should be in China by now. Geez... learn how to bow out graciously.

EXACTLY!....You hit the nail on the fucking head, even though you didn't mean to.....YES, my content is EASY to spot on the internet and I LIKE THAT!.....

Now what can I spot to know it's YOUR stuff on the internet besides a small clue of funny looking skinny euro girls?...And a LOT of people shoot that so YOURS wouldn't stand out amongst the crowd unlike MINE.

Damn through the senility, you come up with some gems.....So I guess the old saying is true....

"Even a broken clock is right twice a day"

Can I get in on this contest and shoot this scene with ladyboys? That should toss a wrench into things.

I think you should get extra points for passing a Lady Boy off as a real woman during the strip tease part of the shoot, before the final unveiling of the goods.



Im all for passable LadyBoys

I GOT YOU! I KNEW IT!

All this time.... just trying to get you to say it.

We have 1 shooter.

Do people remember all the guys saying they also wanted to shoot the same scene earlier in this thread?

Now they are strangely silent.

If a site owner wants to all he has to do is put up one of his own scenes, cost minimal.

If a custom shooter does it on a shooting day cost low.

Benefits for some, will show what they are capable of.

Disadvantages for some, will show what they are capable of.

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