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Originally Posted by justinsain
The only thing this would accomplish is getting yourself the fee you feel you deserve for your work.
It has been pointed out several times why your idea would have little to no effect. Robbie explained it perfectly in post #700. Read it again. Comprehend it. That's all you need to know.
The only failed game being played here is yours.
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So I read Robbie's post and most of it is him telling us how rich he is. So I've deleted that BS and will come up with the main points.
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You keep saying that TGP's did this and tgp's did that. But you're dead wrong.
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Tgps were just the first step.
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First off...most "tgp" sites that came around after the year 2000 weren't even "real" tgps. They were circle jerk scripts.
There were and are only a handful of REAL tgps. Yes, there are countless thousands of sites running a script. But only a handful of us real guys who had honest traffic.
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It doesn't matter what most were, it mattered where the most traffic was. CJ scripts and trading pissed off customers who wanted to see what they might buy. So they went to the sites that didn't piss them off.
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As for "living in the past"...I'm not sure where you came up with that. I am only pointing out to you that we did not steal anything and we always made a LOT of money with all of our partners. I'm definitely not trying to claim that my tgp's have big traffic anymore. That's all over at Pornhub now. And who can blame the surfers? They have a choice of looking at galleries and reading my blog and then buying a membership OR seeing everything for free.
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Yes he lives in the past wishing Tubes hadn't taken his traffic.
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I know you think you have it all figured out and that tubes were just a natural evolution of TGP's.
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Once you start on the route of giving away free content to get traffic there's no stopping. Because anyone can give away free content. As is clearly proved by the numbers of people giving it away.
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NO! They aren't. Illegit tubes have "user upload" which equals stolen content and are not designed to sell paysite memberships.
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That seems to be perfectly legal from the Tubes side. So they are legal.
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We didn't "give away" free porn. We use promo tools given to us. I already explained to you a while back that there is a "sweet spot".
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Which was free porn.
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You are talking in theory on this subject...but I'm telling you as an expert who does it for a living. A hosted gallery with 12 pictures or 4 30 second clips will outsell any softcore advertising that you can think of. Day in and day out.
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And a hosted gallery with 15 pictures and 4 45 minute clips will get more traffic. And many TGP owners went for the galleries with the most HC content. There's no stopping once you go that route. It just escalates. The only limit is afford-ability.
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But NO advertising, soft or hard, works when the entire members areas of the sites you are trying to sell are being given away for free.
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Then stop trying to sell what can be given away for free. Start realising it's 2011 and the clock goes forward.
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And again..NO... TGP's running galleries did not destroy magazines and DVD sales.
The convenience and privacy of the internet did that.
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And he would know that because?????????????
Well he doesn't so it's guess work.
Today the convenience of a Tube site is killing paysites. The Illegal bit is a red herring he clings to.
IF and it's a big if. There was some way that they would and could enforce no pirated content was allowed onto Tubes. Then Manwin would buy up all the cheap porn they could and still have a massive site that would still be better than a paysite. This is in addition to all te sites giving them free porn. The notion that today that the clock can just be turned back is laughable. It's 2011.
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If ALL free porn on the internet was gone right now...and all you could do was buy a membership to a paysite online to see porn...Magazines and DVD sales would still be in the shitter and paysite sales would skyrocket.
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And thse paysites could be Tubes charging $1 for a lifetimes membership. Or does Robbie think this dream of a law will stipulate the cost and length of membership.
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It's not hosted galleries that killed us. That made incredible money for everybody for over 10 years online. That only stopped when illegit tubes like Pornhub (and of course bit torrent and file sharing sites) exploded and just started openly stealing everyone's content and hiding behind the DMCA law.
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True. But it started the route of giving away free porn to get 1,000s of surfers so 1-2 would buy. Tubes escalated the game to where it would inevitably go.
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I know you don't believe me. But then again...selling porn online wasn't your expertise. It's mine. And I won't argue with you about a proper Fstop even though I do shoot a nice pic every once in a while.
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I seem to have done a lot better than any other online shooter. The content stores made us more money than they can get.
I would love him to give me a login to his site so I can verify how good his content is. He ignores that request.
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I consider you to be more an expert and one thing I know is that when I meet someone who knows more than I do on a particular subject...I'm gonna listen. You should do the same.
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If all I could do is shoot good porn then I would be working for Fabian for his lousy money. But as it's very clear I've more skills than that.
I can run a business and have done for longer than most here. As for marketing, well for a guy who can't do it I seem to have done fairly well. As for selling I seem to have sold enough as well. I had the skills to sell our content in many ways, ways that no one here seems to have manged. I also understand marketing porn a lot better than most online porn guys do.
Porn is mostly a repeat buy product. The best selling porn mags ever could hardly hope to get a million sales a month. 1% of the US male population. The secret, not that it was a secret, was to sell to the same people monthly. The same with porn videos/DVDs. Wicked, Private, Evil Angel, etc. Sold to the same guys month after month because these buyers trusted the product to deliver. Very few crap publications lasted. Brand/Title loyalty was everything.
The adult Internet thought they knew a better route. Throw tons of traffic at a poor product that retained for a few months and then replace the guy going out the back door with a guy coming in the front door.
Shame it only worked when the customer had little option. But even then, ratios proved that more traffic was needed to get the same result. Then the "free" concept became a real threat. Tubes didn't kill or hurt the business. The cost of giving away a scene to 10,000s of surfers to get 1 sign up on a dating site did that.
I explain marketing porn here in more depth.
https://gfy.com/17996050-post33.html
The reaction from the paysite is industry was what?
Still waiting for it apart from the moaning. There has been no reaction. For a few sites that can afford it there is a better way. To up the quality of the members area to grab more of the dwindling number of customers left. It's not a solution for many. As few can afford it.
Many are moaning that it was easier 5 years ago. They live in the past. It's 2011 and the time is now to stop and think of how to change to compete with Tubes. Not moan that it's not like it used to be.
That's my job on GFY.