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  • u-Bob
    there's no $$$ in porn
    • Jul 2005
    • 33063
    #1

    TorrentSpy Ordered By Federal Judge to Become MPAA Spy

    TorrentSpy, one of the world's largest torrent dump sites, has been ordered
    by a federal judge to monitor its users in order to create detailed logs of
    their activities which must then be handed over to the MPAA.

    On May 29, TorrentSpy - one of the web's most famous .torrent dump sites was
    told by federal judge Jacqueline Chooljian in the Central District of
    California that despite the site's privacy policy which states they will
    never monitor their visitors without consent, they must start creating logs
    detailing their user's activities.
    http://torrentfreak.com/torrentspy-o...f-of-the-mpaa/
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    • ServerGenius
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      • Feb 2002
      • 9377
      #2
      which they won't ever do....mark my words
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        • TampaToker
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          • May 2006
          • 5828
          #3
          good thats a start
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            • KimJI
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              • May 2007
              • 1839
              #4
              They wont do it, so they will shut down the site and throw the people in jail. It's a good start. But one of the fundamental problems is the sponsors supporting the torrentsites. That is the reason im working on this idea www.piratealert.com
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                • Donkey Punch
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                  • Jun 2007
                  • 1260
                  #5
                  lol damn.. glad I don't do torrents
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                    • DWB
                      Registered User
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 31779
                      #6
                      That is a first step... I'm happy to hear it.

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                        • ServerGenius
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                          • Feb 2002
                          • 9377
                          #7
                          Originally posted by KimJI
                          They wont do it, so they will shut down the site and throw the people in jail. It's a good start. But one of the fundamental problems is the sponsors supporting the torrentsites. That is the reason im working on this idea www.piratealert.com
                          Nope they won't get shut down coz they're not US. No jurisdiction weird as
                          it is what they're doing is NOT illegal at least not where they are.
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                            • ServerGenius
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                              • Feb 2002
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                              #8
                              They're hosted at leaseweb in Holland
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                                • TampaToker
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                                  • May 2006
                                  • 5828
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by KimJI
                                  They wont do it, so they will shut down the site and throw the people in jail. It's a good start. But one of the fundamental problems is the sponsors supporting the torrentsites. That is the reason im working on this idea www.piratealert.com
                                  ah you never know i was at a p2p confrence last june and i was sitting right next to Sam Yagan from edonkey. After talking to Sam for a short time he did not come off as cocky but confident. It was kinda funny listening to sam and the MPAA lawyers going back and fourth.

                                  Needless to say edonkey is gone now and sam and his partner settled at $30 million.

                                  Here is what is on front page of edonkey now lol


                                  The eDonkey2000 Network is no longer available.

                                  If you steal music or movies, you are breaking the law.

                                  Courts around the world -- including the United States Supreme Court --
                                  have ruled that businesses and individuals can be prosecuted for illegal
                                  downloading.

                                  You are not anonymous when you illegally download copyrighted material.

                                  Your IP address is xx.xx.xx.xx and has been logged.

                                  Respect the music, download legally.
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                                    • TampaToker
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                                      • May 2006
                                      • 5828
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by ServerGenius
                                      They're hosted at leaseweb in Holland
                                      Well shit thats whole different ball game then
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                                        • KimJI
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                                          • May 2007
                                          • 1839
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by ServerGenius
                                          Nope they won't get shut down coz they're not US. No jurisdiction weird as
                                          it is what they're doing is NOT illegal at least not where they are.

                                          dident know it was legal in your country. Im amased it is. Arent you a member of the EU? because as far as I know the EU made rules about this a few years ago
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                                            • Aussie Rebel
                                              Blow Me U Geeks
                                              • Aug 2001
                                              • 5108
                                              #12
                                              Good start, now I cant wait till they start going after the sponsors that pay the torrent sites bills

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                                                • ServerGenius
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                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                  • 9377
                                                  #13
                                                  Originally posted by KimJI
                                                  dident know it was legal in your country. Im amased it is. Arent you a member of the EU? because as far as I know the EU made rules about this a few years ago
                                                  Yes they are but just linking to the material without having it on your servers
                                                  to the best of my knowledge isn't illegal.....google does the same.
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                                                    • TimBlaze
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                                                      • Oct 2006
                                                      • 1625
                                                      #14
                                                      Good start for sure, but i dont know how effective it will actually be
                                                      Roll that shit, light that shit,

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                                                        • ServerGenius
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                                                          • Feb 2002
                                                          • 9377
                                                          #15
                                                          it has to be said that I'm not really uptodate with the torrent/p2p stuff so I could wrong.
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                                                            • KimJI
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                                                              • May 2007
                                                              • 1839
                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by ServerGenius
                                                              Yes they are but just linking to the material without having it on your servers
                                                              to the best of my knowledge isn't illegal.....google does the same.
                                                              It is. First of all its facilitating a service specifically aimed at sharing pirated content. Its not like the site have a category for sharing vacation pictures. Its primary focus are copyrighted content.

                                                              The way Google indexes sites are different, and that have also been made clear by the court.

                                                              There have been loads of cases in the EU with "Deep-linking" as they call it, where even kids below the age of 15 get fined huge amounts for posting links on forums. (the case against Sharereactor.com)
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                                                                • ServerGenius
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                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                  • 9377
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by KimJI
                                                                  It is. First of all its facilitating a service specifically aimed at sharing pirated content. Its not like the site have a category for sharing vacation pictures. Its primary focus are copyrighted content.

                                                                  The way Google indexes sites are different, and that have also been made clear by the court.

                                                                  There have been loads of cases in the EU with "Deep-linking" as they call it, where even kids below the age of 15 get fined huge amounts for posting links on forums. (the case against Sharereactor.com)
                                                                  That's still different coz the people POSTING got fined not the site that
                                                                  indexes the links. If the site is just an index or crawler that indexes links
                                                                  then you bypass the whole service facilitating pirating content.

                                                                  If it would be that easy then all of them would have been closed by now.
                                                                  Thepiratebay.org gets sued on a daily basis and is still live
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                                                                    • ServerGenius
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                                                                      • Feb 2002
                                                                      • 9377
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Not trying to be the smartass of this thread....I would like to see them gone
                                                                      as much as the next guy in this thread
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                                                                        • KimJI
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                                                                          • May 2007
                                                                          • 1839
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by ServerGenius
                                                                          Not trying to be the smartass of this thread....I would like to see them gone
                                                                          as much as the next guy in this thread

                                                                          Dont see you as such. You are free to think what you want

                                                                          I'm not a expert in legal matters, I'm just referring to old cases
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                                                                            • ServerGenius
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                                                                              • Feb 2002
                                                                              • 9377
                                                                              #20
                                                                              from www.torrentspy.com

                                                                              Hello Friends of TorrentSpy,

                                                                              This message is to inform you about recent efforts by the motion picture studios to shut down TorrentSpy. As you may know, in February 2006 the major movie studios and their Washington lobby, the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA), filed a lawsuit against TorrentSpy and other search engines.

                                                                              We guess that hiring hackers and turning a blind eye to identity theft is not enough for the movie studios and the MPAA. Now they want to know who you are, what you search for, and what you download. In short, it is the view of the movie studios that websites should not allow anonymous use and your activity on the Internet - anywhere - is their business.

                                                                              The really scarry thing is that if we lose this court battle, the movie studios will be able to go after any search engine or website and force them to collect data about YOU. It is not an exaggeration to say that losing this fight is a nail in the Internet's coffin.

                                                                              We have spent the last year challenging their relentless campaign against the 1st Amendment and personal privacy laws Worldwide. We have succeeded in delaying the court order to turn on logs while we appeal it. TorrentSpy will not create logs of what you do on the site without your consent.

                                                                              While we use Google Analytics for website statistics, TorrentSpy servers have never tracked your IP Address, the searches you make, or how you use the site. We are dedicated to your privacy and we are fighting for your rights!
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                                                                                • ServerGenius
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                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                  • 9377
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  ya see they present themselfes as a search engine....for torrents.
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                                                                                    • Emil
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                                                                                      • Feb 2007
                                                                                      • 5655
                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      But they're not even the tracker! They won't know if I download a movie or not, or am I wrong?
                                                                                      They may know if I clicked on a torrent but not if I downloaded it...
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                                                                                        • potter
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                                                                                          • Dec 2004
                                                                                          • 6559
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Ditto to post #21 & #22. They are merely a search engine dedicated to torrents. Torrents are not illegal in any form. It's just the fact most torrents are torrents of copyrighted material. However what people make torrents of has nothing to do with TS.com. And as Emil said, I don't think torrentspy has anything to do with the tracking of torrents. They merely allow you to search and download .torrent files. The tracking is completely third party.

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                                                                                            • RawAlex
                                                                                              So Fucking Banned
                                                                                              • Oct 2003
                                                                                              • 9465
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by potter
                                                                                              Ditto to post #21 & #22. They are merely a search engine dedicated to torrents. Torrents are not illegal in any form. It's just the fact most torrents are torrents of copyrighted material. However what people make torrents of has nothing to do with TS.com. And as Emil said, I don't think torrentspy has anything to do with the tracking of torrents. They merely allow you to search and download .torrent files. The tracking is completely third party.
                                                                                              Potter, it is a nice try on their behalf to try to cover themselves in the veil of legality. It's a nice try, but it fails.

                                                                                              let's say you live in an apartment building, and each unit has been converted into a drug den, each run by a dealer pushing various forms of illegal narcotics. You stand at the front door, and when people say "who's got heroin", you say "apartment 2, and yeah, here is your 50% for AFF". "who's got weed" "Apartment 3, 4, and 8 - have you considered chatting live online at cams?".

                                                                                              You aren't selling the drugs, after all, just providing a search engine for drugs.

                                                                                              Conspiracy to commit an illegal act is a crime in an of itself. Without a torrent search engine or listing service, there would be little chance that surfers would randomly find torrents. The illegal act of distribution STARTS with the search...

                                                                                              None of this is about privacy or human rights. You don't have the right to steal.

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                                                                                                • ServerGenius
                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                  • Feb 2002
                                                                                                  • 9377
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                  Potter, it is a nice try on their behalf to try to cover themselves in the veil of legality. It's a nice try, but it fails.

                                                                                                  let's say you live in an apartment building, and each unit has been converted into a drug den, each run by a dealer pushing various forms of illegal narcotics. You stand at the front door, and when people say "who's got heroin", you say "apartment 2, and yeah, here is your 50% for AFF". "who's got weed" "Apartment 3, 4, and 8 - have you considered chatting live online at cams?".

                                                                                                  You aren't selling the drugs, after all, just providing a search engine for drugs.

                                                                                                  Conspiracy to commit an illegal act is a crime in an of itself. Without a torrent search engine or listing service, there would be little chance that surfers would randomly find torrents. The illegal act of distribution STARTS with the search...

                                                                                                  None of this is about privacy or human rights. You don't have the right to steal.
                                                                                                  You're threory is flawed...torrent sites don't make commision on torrent
                                                                                                  downloads, they make money on selling banners/traffic. Also telling some
                                                                                                  junkie where is the nearest crackhouse isn't illegal. (At least not where I live)
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                                                                                                    • astounding
                                                                                                      Registered User
                                                                                                      • Jun 2007
                                                                                                      • 83
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Aha right. Just like they said the MP3's that are no digitally signed (by original author) will be illegal if found on your PC, hence you'd go to jail if found.

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                                                                                                        • gideongallery
                                                                                                          Confirmed User
                                                                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                                                                          • 7082
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                          Potter, it is a nice try on their behalf to try to cover themselves in the veil of legality. It's a nice try, but it fails.

                                                                                                          let's say you live in an apartment building, and each unit has been converted into a drug den, each run by a dealer pushing various forms of illegal narcotics. You stand at the front door, and when people say "who's got heroin", you say "apartment 2, and yeah, here is your 50% for AFF". "who's got weed" "Apartment 3, 4, and 8 - have you considered chatting live online at cams?".

                                                                                                          You aren't selling the drugs, after all, just providing a search engine for drugs.

                                                                                                          Conspiracy to commit an illegal act is a crime in an of itself. Without a torrent search engine or listing service, there would be little chance that surfers would randomly find torrents. The illegal act of distribution STARTS with the search...

                                                                                                          None of this is about privacy or human rights. You don't have the right to steal.
                                                                                                          the problem with your arguement is that the DCMA has a safe harbour provision that protects you from the legal liability of copyright infringement as long as you take down offending content when the copyright holder makes a DCMA complient request.

                                                                                                          as long as they are complying with the letter of the law then any illegal downloads are removed when the movie studio who made the movie makes such a request.
                                                                                                          sure it is a paperwork nightmare but protection do exist.

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                                                                                                            • hungry hungry hippy
                                                                                                              Confirmed User
                                                                                                              • Mar 2007
                                                                                                              • 249
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                              Potter, it is a nice try on their behalf to try to cover themselves in the veil of legality. It's a nice try, but it fails.

                                                                                                              let's say you live in an apartment building, and each unit has been converted into a drug den, each run by a dealer pushing various forms of illegal narcotics. You stand at the front door, and when people say "who's got heroin", you say "apartment 2, and yeah, here is your 50% for AFF". "who's got weed" "Apartment 3, 4, and 8 - have you considered chatting live online at cams?".

                                                                                                              You aren't selling the drugs, after all, just providing a search engine for drugs.

                                                                                                              Conspiracy to commit an illegal act is a crime in an of itself. Without a torrent search engine or listing service, there would be little chance that surfers would randomly find torrents. The illegal act of distribution STARTS with the search...

                                                                                                              None of this is about privacy or human rights. You don't have the right to steal.
                                                                                                              ahahahaha this argument was pure shit, nice try.

                                                                                                              so torrentspy turns into a mole, what's that mean.. people go to the other 100 torrent sites. you take one of them down, and more pop up?

                                                                                                              you can't win. the cat left the bag years ago.

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                                                                                                                • slapass
                                                                                                                  Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                  • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                  • 14625
                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by hungry hungry hippy
                                                                                                                  ahahahaha this argument was pure shit, nice try.

                                                                                                                  so torrentspy turns into a mole, what's that mean.. people go to the other 100 torrent sites. you take one of them down, and more pop up?

                                                                                                                  you can't win. the cat left the bag years ago.
                                                                                                                  This is dumb. If it is illegal to run them and they prosecute just a few. Others will close and hosts will get nervous, etc. This is how you stop illegal activity.

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                                                                                                                    • Michaelious
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                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                      • 6720
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Yeah they won't do it. They'll try and worm their way out of it.

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                                                                                                                        • hungry hungry hippy
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                                                                                                                          • Mar 2007
                                                                                                                          • 249
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by slapass
                                                                                                                          This is dumb. If it is illegal to run them and they prosecute just a few. Others will close and hosts will get nervous, etc. This is how you stop illegal activity.
                                                                                                                          and what if it isn't illegal in the country the site & its keepers are located....?

                                                                                                                          the world does not revolve around the US, sorry

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                                                                                                                            • slapass
                                                                                                                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                                                                                              • Nov 2002
                                                                                                                              • 14625
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by hungry hungry hippy
                                                                                                                              and what if it isn't illegal in the country the site & its keepers are located....?

                                                                                                                              the world does not revolve around the US, sorry
                                                                                                                              They have to proven to be illegal.... that is the point.

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                                                                                                                                • nnweb
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                                                                                                                                  • Apr 2004
                                                                                                                                  • 724
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  anyone else notice they have the same attorney as AFF?

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                                                                                                                                    • Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                      So Fucking Banned
                                                                                                                                      • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 18481
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      If the MPAA succeeds in this, what is stopping a community of prudes in Hicksville from demanding that a porn site turn over logs so they can arrest citizens for bringing filth into their neighborhoods? There ARE places fucked up enough to do that.

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                                                                                                                                        • tiger
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                                                                                                                                          • Apr 2002
                                                                                                                                          • 6986
                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Even if you are against torrents this not a good step.

                                                                                                                                          What's next Google, Yahoo, MSN required to monitor all users activity?

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                                                                                                                                            • stev0
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                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2003
                                                                                                                                              • 6801
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Emil
                                                                                                                                              But they're not even the tracker! They won't know if I download a movie or not, or am I wrong?
                                                                                                                                              They may know if I clicked on a torrent but not if I downloaded it...
                                                                                                                                              exactly... they could track hits to the website and that's about it.

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                                                                                                                                                • Nails
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                                                                                                                                                  • Jun 2007
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                                                                                                                                                  #37
                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by Matt 26z
                                                                                                                                                  If the MPAA succeeds in this, what is stopping a community of prudes in Hicksville from demanding that a porn site turn over logs so they can arrest citizens for bringing filth into their neighborhoods? There ARE places fucked up enough to do that.
                                                                                                                                                  fucking awesome point, this is something that a few people who are spearheading this torrent deal aren't thinking of. What court battles are brought about or lost will have a negative effect on their porn income later.

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                                                                                                                                                    • woj
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                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2002
                                                                                                                                                      • 47880
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by nnweb
                                                                                                                                                      anyone else notice they have the same attorney as AFF?
                                                                                                                                                      heh, interesting...
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                                                                                                                                                        • Pornwolf
                                                                                                                                                          Drunk and Unruly
                                                                                                                                                          • Jan 2002
                                                                                                                                                          • 22712
                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Raw Alex's analogy was pretty accurate.

                                                                                                                                                          Sure, it's a game of whack a mole... but steps have to be taken wherever possible. Until they figure out the best way to stop the advertising and monetization on torrent search sites and downloading apps this is all they can do.

                                                                                                                                                          It's interesting to see who supports torrents in this thread.
                                                                                                                                                          I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade...

                                                                                                                                                          Webair, bitches.

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                                                                                                                                                            • KrisKross
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                                                                                                                                                              • Jan 2006
                                                                                                                                                              • 5025
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by RawAlex
                                                                                                                                                              Potter, it is a nice try on their behalf to try to cover themselves in the veil of legality. It's a nice try, but it fails.

                                                                                                                                                              let's say you live in an apartment building, and each unit has been converted into a drug den, each run by a dealer pushing various forms of illegal narcotics. You stand at the front door, and when people say "who's got heroin", you say "apartment 2, and yeah, here is your 50% for AFF". "who's got weed" "Apartment 3, 4, and 8 - have you considered chatting live online at cams?".

                                                                                                                                                              You aren't selling the drugs, after all, just providing a search engine for drugs.

                                                                                                                                                              Conspiracy to commit an illegal act is a crime in an of itself. Without a torrent search engine or listing service, there would be little chance that surfers would randomly find torrents. The illegal act of distribution STARTS with the search...

                                                                                                                                                              None of this is about privacy or human rights. You don't have the right to steal.
                                                                                                                                                              For the record, I'm not a torrent supporter. But your analogy is flawed. A SWAT team won't descend on Google's offices if I search for bomb making instructions, child porn or torrent files.

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                                                                                                                                                                • Shoehorn!
                                                                                                                                                                  Die With Your Boots On
                                                                                                                                                                  • Oct 2003
                                                                                                                                                                  • 22872
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  I'll be glad when all those fucking torrent sites are gone.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Fap
                                                                                                                                                                      Just Du It
                                                                                                                                                                      • Feb 2004
                                                                                                                                                                      • 12094
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      that sucks.. but they wont abide

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