Programmers : Who is good with Markov Chains?

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  • Juicy D. Links
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    • Apr 2001
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    #1

    Programmers : Who is good with Markov Chains?

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  • WiredGuy
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    • Aug 2002
    • 34517

    #2
    You're doing stochastic / probability analysis?!
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    • Pornwolf
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      • Jan 2002
      • 22712

      #3
      Hey, you guys are using big words again. Can you give your old country bumpkin cousin Pornwolf a hand understanding what you mean?
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      • Achmed
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        • WiredGuy
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          • Aug 2002
          • 34517

          #5
          its a means to predict how something will react, in the case of programming, it has to do with the present, future and past states (all independent). Given independent states at time n, the probability that the program will move to state x at time n+1.

          Basically, predicting what states a program will move to in the future given the past, present and future possible states. Mostly used in forecasting runtimes and other crazy shit.

          I apparently went to university for 5 years to say that and will never ever use it. LOL
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          • woj
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            • Jul 2002
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            #6
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            • munki
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              • Dec 2004
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              #7
              Originally posted by WiredGuy
              its a means to predict how something will react, in the case of programming, it has to do with the present, future and past states (all independent). Given independent states at time n, the probability that the program will move to state x at time n+1.

              Basically, predicting what states a program will move to in the future given the past, present and future possible states. Mostly used in forecasting runtimes and other crazy shit.

              I apparently went to university for 5 years to say that and will never ever use it. LOL
              WG
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              • Pornwolf
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                • Jan 2002
                • 22712

                #8
                Probablility that a program will move? So, do you mean like if TCG will move their program from Ft. Lauderdale to Ontario?

                How can you predict that? Wouldn't you have to call Laura Lee or something?
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                • edgeprod
                  Permanently Gone
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 10019

                  #9
                  We built Markov Chains into the new version of Autoblogger Pro Stand Alone, and have it enabled as a "beta" function for select users.

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                  • WiredGuy
                    Pounding Googlebot
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 34517

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Pornwolf
                    Probablility that a program will move? So, do you mean like if TCG will move their program from Ft. Lauderdale to Ontario?

                    How can you predict that? Wouldn't you have to call Laura Lee or something?


                    From a blackhat SEO perspective, you can think of Markov Chains as a statistical method that analyzes the relationship between adjacent words in a document.

                    For example, with markov chains, a SE can deduct that a page which contains only nouns, probably is a spam page. Using the markov chains, once you see a noun, you know that within a few additional words there must be a verb based on the probability model of the English language. Alas, the birth of keyword density and the reason stuffing keywords is no longer useful.

                    If I write a spam page using markov chains, a SE can?t ban my pages through an automated prorgam, although an editor could clearly see it was spam.

                    PS: As an SEO its good to figure out how to stop SE spam in order to figure out how to circumvent it

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                    • Pornwolf
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                      • Jan 2002
                      • 22712

                      #11
                      Definitely.

                      I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

                      It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?
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                      • WiredGuy
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                        • Aug 2002
                        • 34517

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Pornwolf
                        Definitely.

                        I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

                        It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?
                        I'm not sure to be honest, I haven't done keyword stuffing in nearly 10 years.
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                        • TheDoc
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                          • Jul 2001
                          • 13827

                          #13
                          WG always to give the professional input

                          Using the Markov Chain isn't very productive seo these days as WG said. But it still is a tool used to count words, re-order those words on math, and assist you with creating different text with groups of related paragraphs and keywords. These days you need other tools to help complete the logic, including human interaction to be fully seo effective.

                          Part of the possible advantages to translations.
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                          • Pornwolf
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                            • Jan 2002
                            • 22712

                            #14
                            10 years? Shiiiit!

                            Lord knows what kind of advanced Jedi force you are using on the bots now a days.
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                            • TheDoc
                              Too lazy to set a custom title
                              • Jul 2001
                              • 13827

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Pornwolf
                              Definitely.

                              I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

                              It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?
                              Bots can spot it due to error - but if the logic is correct it's very hard. Even humans can be fooled.

                              Using anything like this is blackhat, and could get you reported. You should always mask what you are doing through bot detection, redirects, ect.
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                              • Pretty_Lara
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                                • Oct 2002
                                • 755

                                #16
                                all doorways already banned even with Markov Chains ...
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                                • WiredGuy
                                  Pounding Googlebot
                                  • Aug 2002
                                  • 34517

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Pornwolf
                                  10 years? Shiiiit!

                                  Lord knows what kind of advanced Jedi force you are using on the bots now a days.
                                  I've integrated myself into the Google Matrix. I think of a keyword and insert myself directly into the results. Shabang!
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                                  • Pornwolf
                                    Drunk and Unruly
                                    • Jan 2002
                                    • 22712

                                    #18
                                    Wow, WG... I knew you must be doing something right to make $20 million a year but I didn't think it was that easy.

                                    Think, keyword... boom.

                                    Damn, that's hot.
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                                    • TheJimmy
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                                      • Jan 2001
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                                      #19
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                                      • CaptainHowdy
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                                        • Dec 2004
                                        • 94150

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                        I've integrated myself into the Google Matrix. I think of a keyword and insert myself directly into the results. Shabang!
                                        WG
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                                        • datatank
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                                          • Aug 2004
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                                          • OzMan
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                                            • Sep 2003
                                            • 9162

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by WiredGuy
                                            You're doing stochastic / probability analysis?!
                                            WG
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                                            • fatdicksimon
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                                              • Feb 2006
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Pornwolf
                                              Definitely.

                                              I always thought Markov paragraphs could be spotted at times by bots.

                                              It's gibberish. At the very most you have 1 day before someone reports you if you make the first page for any term using that... right?
                                              I dunno. IMHO, I think the easily spotted markov generated content is due to not having a large enough lexicon to build the content from. If you generate a huge lexicon and use markov chaining to generate content from it, you would be surprised by how 'real' the generated content looks.
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                                              • bDok
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                                                • Feb 2005
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                                                #24
                                                used some in some scraper sites.
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