It's harder to shoot porn today than it was back in the old days.

Well, I was pretty impressed with Paul's revelations on the quality of their current video. I prefer shooting stills over video, but you can bet I don't produce video like he described. Maybe these guys should farm out their scenes to a variety of shooters and let the members decide who shoots best. On-camera mic, out of focus, people walking and talking in the background – just amazing. I think I would like a piece of that production pie. Paul should get the $3000 just for the critique.

And what is with the 30min video? Are you serious? Thirty minutes of a girl masturbating, her pussy will go dry, the performance will go flat and boring, she will get scabs on her pussy and her hand will get stiff and you will have a claim on your hands for carpel tunnel syndrome and the viewer will fall asleep. What about 300 stills? I see these still sets, 20 pics of the same pose, more pics of the girl moving her little finger three inches. There seems to be an irrational desire to get a high picture count out of the shooter. But of 300 pics the member will only look at fifty, maybe less, so what is the point?

I have no idea what the shoot specs and payment is, it changed so many times I gave up. At one point it looked like he wanted three thirty minute videos on three different sets (backgrounds) with three hundred stills for each set/video. It just waffled all over the place. I still don't know what he wants. He may be demanding too much trying to stretch his budget but look at what he is getting. Then he later says they only need a few pics, not the 25 or so needed for magazine. Is he in charge of content or some other function of the business? It got so crazy I thought maybe the whole thread was a spoof.

Incidents happen unexpectedly to all of us when we are shooting, tripping over something, unexpected noises, etc. Once I had the girl remove a toy from a drawer and as she shut the drawer it made a sound as it shut like a shotgun. In real life it would not sound like that, but that is how it sounded to the mic. Phone rings, someone comes to the door, and on and on.

I think Paul should get a handsome consultation fee, forget the shoot, the guy doesn't know what he wants and when you finish there will be a big dispute over what he wanted, and we will all read about it here on gfy.

Since it is taking so long, maybe we could setup a mail list for who wants to be notified when this set is shot finally?
And I believe if it is made, it will become the most torrent and rapidshare pirated video by GFY users, after the middle men movie of course.

On a side note, I would be curious how Paul Markham would be as cam studio guy, since he's so much into solo girls which is what cams is about. Some content producers became cam studios - I invested myself in 2004 in a siberian one (buy fast internet, more pc's and cams etc.). Shows lacked the keyboard chat from girls as most was unable to type fast or understand any english, knew how to pose so the video was very good and I got back investment quickly. Girls was several and photo model material and needing stable monthly income, I wonder if Paul would find and retain hired such kind and amount of girls to do a studio. For a cam studio is needed good lighting and prepare all like recorded content, plus some other things related to chat and live - also, usually the cam sits on a tripod or is the model to move with a remote controlling a pan tilt - but we could have cameraman there, Markham live, in place of motorized pan tilt?

All the reviews I've seen were about image quality, quantity, navigation and nothing about the power of the actual content to give the guy an erection. But that only reflects the industries priorities. Manwin's content is by no means the worse I've seen, in fact it's better than most.

My point is, with their money and resources it could be so much better. If by making less content yet more outstanding content it doesn't lengthen retention, then we might as well all give up and plan for our next career. Because customers will realise more and more the stuff on free sites is no worse than what they pay for.

Still the issue of piracy and free content, whether this industry would of survived that is questionable. But while it still does survive, remember. The best survive longer.

Definitely the ax should swing on anyone who doesn't produce a good job. Toilet cleaner or anyone.

Very few girls are good enough, interesting enough or skilled enough to stretch out a solo girl video to 30 minutes. Some girls will climax after 15 minutes and all the wind is gone from their sails. So do we shoot another 15 minutes and make a good scene into a boring scene or cut and go for a cup of tea?

As for stills, I can shoot 300 stills and make them all different. Tough job, but can be done. So will write how I dis it. But a set of 300 is mega boring to watch on a slide show. But again both video and stills is the trend of the Internet. Quantity over quality.

All you can do is guard against it and correct the mistakes in editing.

The trolls will weigh in. I'm doing this now for my satisfaction. Whether anyone has the idea of getting me is as a consultant and will listen to my blunt advice is a different matter.

Some Judas types hide behind their barefaced hypocrisy. I'm so glad you wear it on your sleeve, like it is something to be proud of.

Ezgirl,

I am not in charge of content. Obviously.

I negotiated with Paul what he can do for the 3000. We usually pay 2000 for 3 scenes shot on one day. The end product is 20 minutes per scene, getting a bit more ie 30 minutes just helps editing. Also, our scenes, just like a brazzers scene, has an introductory part with a somewhat story to it. Less with SAF than other sites, but it's still there. So it hardly is 30 minutes masturbation...

I am doing this because I genuinely want to see if content with the quality Paul claims will perform better on the site for retention and rejoins.

How to shoot 300 stills and make sure everyone is different.


There are 26 basic solo poses. Shoot them with the model dressed, undressing and naked will treble the number of shots to 78. Making her turn 45 degrees to the left or right for each of them will double it again 156. Shooting her looking at the camera and away will add another 20 shots. Shooting some with half body will add more. Shooting close ups of the face, pussy tits more. The shooter moving from side to side of his key lights will change the back ground and add more. Then there's holding her tits, "pink" fingers, vibrator insertion In fact shooting a set of 300 different poses/images is easy if you know how. And the limit of your imagination.





Here are a few poses and as you can see they can all be varied.

How to do it is simple.

Buy some mags, because as Fabian says they need to get each pose right and a website doesn't. Sort out all the basic poses in variations and put them into a display folder. Something like this with plastic A4 pages in so you can turn the pages as you shoot and it will remind you of the pose.



We had 6 different types of folders to cover all the styles we shot. Solo Teens, leg, glamor, ass, lesbian, BG.

Makes life a little easier. You can even show it to the girls who can't get it right. And shows you know what you're talking about.

Then when you shoot the video she and you know what positions you want.

My point is that the difference between what is being done by youself and others is minimal. They shoot 300 pics you shoot a hundred...

They leave the clunks in their video, you don't....

You want to teach others but only to be better amatuers. Where is the real ambition to do something really creative imaginative and erotic ?

Magazines as I said before had high profits....did they develop cutting edge artistic photography ? No it was tecnically ok for the print process but as photography it was dull.

I think it is quite interesting what will happen in this industry, as cameras and post prodution is getting better and better, and the internet has made the erotic de facto legal, will it evolve into a real erotic art form moving into the mainsteam of culture....

In spite of all the moaning about sales, erotic material is an area where people are prepared to get their CC out. Try selling a polical documentary on the net !

Paul, kick ass sig! haha!!

The difference isn't minimal and nothing to do about numbers or clunks.

The idea that bad shooters can do something really creative imaginative and erotic is also faulty. They need to learn to shoot good porn first.

To do something really creative imaginative and erotic takes money, skill experience and a budget. Otherwise everyone else will go down the same road and make the creating it pointless. BangBus got a huge head start because they were out there on their own Today there would be 100 imitators duplicating what they do.

There are 2 sites, to my knowledge who did or still do something different. Perfect Gonzo and Party Hardcore. Not limited budget content. Perfect Gonzo was shot by a very skilled guy and to duplicate it no one was prepared to pay the price it took. Party Hardcore spend a lot of money to set up a shoot. No one else, to my knowledge is prepared to spend that money.

I can come up with ideas that are a little different, maybe even something really creative imaginative and erotic. the problem is they will cost money to shoot, need good shooters and good models. Without the first they won't get off the ground, without the second and third if they didn't have them they wouldn't sell.

Having an idea is the easy part, executing it and getting it right for porn is a lot harder than having the right equipment. Buying equipment today is easy. Using it is easy, so why do people get it wrong?

Lack of skill and that can't be bought cheap. There are people with the skill working in porn or use to. They want more than the Internet is prepared to pay.

Now the debate could be, is it profitable to produce it for the Internet only or even in 2011?

And I've never really described myself as a photographer or video-grapher. Just a guy who uses cameras in the course of his job. Pornography.

Fabian, you are a reasonable man... can you reasonably understand how BLUE-BALLED I feel on this "script" issue??? You keep saying you're going to post it and then the sunrise comes and then it sets and still no script!!!!!

Am I being une ignoramous??? Have you already posted it and I just missed it???
If there will be no script, will there be a treatment? Or like a 1-paragraph description of the story Paul's supposed to follow? Whatever you know about the story (or stories) for Paul's scene(s), please post here! Even if all you know about the story is one sentence, one phrase, or even one word!!!!

From what I can see you are not bring much to the table...

The models do all the work, and the "program makers" seem to add very little, just record in an amateur way the action.

Frankly Bankbus, your site and all he others mentioned are 99% the same....

It is not money that is missing its thought.

For example, instead of using the lights to flat light everything, try lighting the scene to a mood...there you go no change in cost but something different.

How about different lenses? maybe shoot it all on a long lens? from POV of a Voyer...

Imagination does not cost money.

So when you want you push the "I am a photographer" and as soon as that is challenged you say "I am just a pornographer"

There is a Czech film "Closely Observed Trains" Directed by Jiri Menzel from 1967 it has scene in it hotter that 95% of the porn today. (Best Foreign Film !)



Better less but better

Damn, I wish Bang didn't have Bankbus forwarding to their site... I would have registered it and started a site about some robber-dudez that drive a bus around and when they see a bank they want to rob they just drive the bus INTO the bank through the front door/glass (like when that school bus backs into the bank in Dark Knight at the beginning, but these guys would drive the bus in head first). While they are robbing the bank, they seduce the female bank tellers and customers into big orgies (these are especially good-looking, suave bank robbers). Anyone from Bangbros here? Care to sell me the url for under $300?

Good points. Yes way too many sites take one idea/theme and keep repeating it. The end result is unless the member is totally in love with that way of shooting he's off to see another way of shooting. A little while ago I wrote a thread about bringing in different themes to porn scenes. Also wrote about going to more live scenes.

However they still require shooters with skills and a budget to match.

Our content was largely based on our ability to find brand new models. Magazines, especially teen ones lapped them up and paid very well. However we did change a little. We didn't fly to Spain or Portugal, we didn't get very elaborate and we kept to a very similar format. Because that's what paid the most.

Also giving a brand new model something a bit out there to do isn't great, having to cope with a new model and a new theme isn't good. Especially if the increase in profits were none.

Magazines got around this problem by using different shooters in the same magazine, so for them it wasn't an issue. Sites using the same shooter, same theme gets boring. Especially after 30 or 60 days.

"Closely Observed Trains" is one film probably shot on a far better budget than porn. One film shot over and over again gets boring. That's why it's essential to bring out the girls true character and I wrote about that. She will make every scene hers, if she would only be herself.

As for lens. Never change a lens on a digital camera, it results on dust on the chips and spots on the image. I thought you would know all this.

Paul, have you been given any indication off-board what the story or stories will be about???