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  • ReggieDurango
    Confirmed User
    • Nov 2007
    • 4784

    #421
    Originally posted by Paul Markham
    Hit me up on ICQ or Skype so we can chat about it.

    Done a few things like this, no problems so long as the model and I can wear the T Shirt of the website.

    It's just that the relationship between a model and shooter on solo girl often determines whether the shoot works or not.

    As you see from my appraisal of the scene I just saw.
    This all sounds fine to me but I'm a little confused about the t-shirts... of which website, exactly, will you and the model be wearing t-shirts?

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    • Paul Markham
      Too old to care
      • Jun 2001
      • 52942

      #422
      Originally posted by Nathan
      Can you please stop with the damn 700 USD?! We are paying 2000 for the day itself... to CONTRACT SHOOTERS...

      Thx for the review.
      And how many scenes do you want for $2,000?

      And do you expect the shooter to pay all costs of the shoot out of the $2,000?

      *****************************************

      For a shooter to improve it's essential he edits his own work. Dropping the entire shoot into a Fed Ex package teaches him nothing. Accepting sloppy work teaches him sloppy work is acceptable.

      I was very lucky that from very early on Magazine Editors saw I had a talent of some sort and were willing to help me. They laid out magazines and showed me the spread of shots they required, told me about the different poses and how to shoot a set in a progression. To give them the best possible chance of buying it.

      They also showed me the amateur work submitted and pointed out the problems with using it. Problems I see in the sets on Mofos.

      I learned not to shoot a girl hiding her pussy while doing a "Pink", not to shoot shot after shot of the same picture. To move the model around, not to shoot into or in front of the sun. And developed my out of date style.

      Editing my videos I learned to make sure the model didn't make big clattering noises, to get the mike off the camera, to capture the girls face when she talks or climaxes. And not to reduce a porn scene down to a genitalia movie.

      I made all the mistakes possible. By editing my own work I was able to spot them and not make them again.

      Manwin's shooters don't have that, in fact I doubt if they get any feedback at all from the editors. They just churn out cheap work, cheap to my thinking, so at the end of the week they have a fair income.

      Does this matter?

      Well only a fool would say not. It matters with retention and even conversion. Which hurts everyone involved incomes.

      By producing content without these basic mistakes the member is more likely to stay a little longer, more likely to rejoin when he see new content promoting the site, more likely to return to the site for another session of membership. Less likely to cancel and never return.

      This all sounds fine to me but I'm a little confused about the t-shirts... of which website, exactly, will you and the model be wearing t-shirts?
      A Paul Markham Teens T Shirt.



      I will keep my pants on.
      Last edited by Paul Markham; 03-07-2011, 08:16 AM.



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      • Robbie
        Leaner, Meaner, Faster
        • Aug 2002
        • 20960

        #423
        Paul that was an excellent review.

        And I have to say...that everything you are saying are things I've been thinking about for my own work. I've done a lot just off of creativity, Claudia-Marie's "it" factor, and some really good gear.

        But reality is, I'm a one man work force during a shoot. And I tend to let the technical aspect suffer some during a shoot.

        I think I'm real good at framing up a shot and getting exactly what her fans want to see. But a lot of times when filming video I get caught up in the moment of the action and do stupid little shit like accidentally getting light stands in the video. lol

        I do use a compressor/limiter in editing to get rid of the volume changes that you described in your review of Brazzers shit.

        But I have been thinking about the overhead boom mic for a while now. I already use an overhead third light bank anyway on a giant boom, and I think I'm gonna simply attach a mic coming down from that. As you said...it kinda sucks to have hand movement sounds on the camera.

        I'm not sure if any of it is going to make a great deal of difference in actual sales. But I do know that it's gonna make a difference in my own professional pride in what I do.

        As I said earlier...I don't agree with your assessment of the adult industry. But I do enjoy reading what you're saying about actual shooting.

        And why you even bother with Fabian is beyond me. Take "his" money if you want. I wouldn't give him the time of day.
        -Robbie
        ClaudiaMarie.Com

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        • ReggieDurango
          Confirmed User
          • Nov 2007
          • 4784

          #424
          Originally posted by Robbie
          And why you even bother with Fabian is beyond me. Take "his" money if you want. I wouldn't give him the time of day.
          Why wouldn't you give him the time of day, Robbie? Why why WHY not??? I realize I'm being melodramatic... But I LOVE melodrama!

          Jersey Shore is the Shiznit!
          I will debate ANY haters on that issue publicly
          Last edited by ReggieDurango; 03-07-2011, 08:41 AM. Reason: What about the old regime, Robbie? Is that where your true anger lies?

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          • Robbie
            Leaner, Meaner, Faster
            • Aug 2002
            • 20960

            #425
            Originally posted by ReggieDurango
            Why wouldn't you give him the time of day, Robbie? Why why WHY not??? I realize I'm being melodramatic... But I LOVE melodrama!
            I'll leave that to you to figure out RD. You seem to have so much interest in this thread. It doesn't take but a few seconds to figure out why Manwin's group of tube sites full of everybody else's stolen content would piss people off.

            And then a quick check around and you find out what Fabian has done in his life...or I should say lack of things he's done in the actual porn business (and his complete lack of any creative skills and his zero experience in pretty much every aspect of this business...except for programming the first version of NATS software)...and then I think you'll understand why I personally don't care about the guy one way or another.

            I think I've already made that pretty clear. I save my respect for my peers. Fabian was a failed webmaster after he left TMM with a failed tiny affiliate program. Then suddenly, out of the blue...he's one of a handful of "managing partners" of the newly dubbed "Manwin".

            I have no problem with a guy doing well for himself by being slick enough to talk some people with money into opening a door for him. Sure he is the guy who has the job of taking heat. And believe me...he's taking it.

            But for this guy to get off on a power trip and suddenly start lecturing to his betters? Ridiculous. All the money in the world won't buy him a creative bone in his body, and it won't buy him a clue either.

            He is beneath me. And WAY beneath guys like Paul, Jim Gunn, and Just Dave. And the business tactics that the tube side of his company engage in are part of the problem that has caused guys like Paul, Jim, and Dave to actually approach this guy for work. I don't fault them for that. But me? I don't need his shit. And as I said...I wouldn't give him the time of day.
            -Robbie
            ClaudiaMarie.Com

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            • Paul Markham
              Too old to care
              • Jun 2001
              • 52942

              #426
              Originally posted by Robbie
              Paul that was an excellent review.

              And I have to say...that everything you are saying are things I've been thinking about for my own work. I've done a lot just off of creativity, Claudia-Marie's "it" factor, and some really good gear.

              But reality is, I'm a one man work force during a shoot. And I tend to let the technical aspect suffer some during a shoot.

              I think I'm real good at framing up a shot and getting exactly what her fans want to see. But a lot of times when filming video I get caught up in the moment of the action and do stupid little shit like accidentally getting light stands in the video. lol

              I do use a compressor/limiter in editing to get rid of the volume changes that you described in your review of Brazzers shit.

              But I have been thinking about the overhead boom mic for a while now. I already use an overhead third light bank anyway on a giant boom, and I think I'm gonna simply attach a mic coming down from that. As you said...it kinda sucks to have hand movement sounds on the camera.

              I'm not sure if any of it is going to make a great deal of difference in actual sales. But I do know that it's gonna make a difference in my own professional pride in what I do.

              As I said earlier...I don't agree with your assessment of the adult industry. But I do enjoy reading what you're saying about actual shooting.

              And why you even bother with Fabian is beyond me. Take "his" money if you want. I wouldn't give him the time of day.
              IMO for you shooting your partner and your niche the connection between you and Marie is the most important thing.

              Taking the mike off camera stops any camera noises or even your heavy breathing.

              Both can put off the viewers pleasure of the scene unless you're shooting Gonzo and part of the scene.

              Your site's appeal relies mostly on Marie and how you capture her. This is the same as all solo girl personality sites. If you can capture her better then it's got to help.

              For sites like Manwins it's essential. Otherwise it's just another wall to wall of boring content porn site. That anyone can put up and the members know this and will soon be off to see someone else's version of the same porn style. Including some bad mistakes is going to shorten the membership length.

              There the member is, lube in one hand, cock in the other, head phones on to enjoy every sound. And his ears get blown off by her clacking on the floor. Fabian buy your shooter a little mat or tell your editors to fucking learn how to edit.

              Or a sound coming across that sounds like a fart. Or she talks to him, while the shooter is shooting her pussy. Or he gets to see her in 1/3 of his screen and in the rest the room. Or the sun hits his lens, or a plane flies over or a chain saw starts up next door. All going to hurt retention.

              As for my assessment of the porn industry. This is a given.We couldn't get away with elementary mistakes like that in the past. Today it's made in sites some think represent good porn.

              Is the Brazzers site any better? Not if these contract guys are shooting for it.

              As for giving him the time of day. I would. To tell him what I think of him.

              He's now paying me $3,000 to shoot a scene for me to show myself how much I've recovered.

              The sad part of this is obviously I do have something to teach to his shooters and any other shooter who thinks this is good content. Will anyone contact me to help them improve their members area?



              For any stupid reason they can dream up. They will not.



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              • Paul Markham
                Too old to care
                • Jun 2001
                • 52942

                #427
                Originally posted by Robbie
                He is beneath me. And WAY beneath guys like Paul, Jim Gunn, and Just Dave. And the business tactics that the tube side of his company engage in are part of the problem that has caused guys like Paul, Jim, and Dave to actually approach this guy for work. I don't fault them for that. But me? I don't need his shit. And as I said...I wouldn't give him the time of day.
                Who said I approached him?

                I made a bold offer that if anyone would pay me $3,000 for a set I would come back to shooting.

                He picked up my gauntlet.

                I've had trolls talking about my lack of respect for my new client.

                My respect isn't for sale like my work is. It has to be earned and over and over again Fabian hasn't done that.

                Still waiting for a contract and script. WTF is so hard about issuing a contract, it just needs the name changed at the top. He must think I need a totally new one if it's gone to the legal department. As for the script, maybe I should write one my self.



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                • Nathan
                  Confirmed User
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 3108

                  #428
                  Paul, I sent you a contract this morning, let me double check the adress I used.

                  I also explained to you multiple times, and you prefer to ignore it seems, that my guys have more important things to do than to get your contract ready.
                  "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                  - Charlie Munger

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                  • Nathan
                    Confirmed User
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 3108

                    #429
                    I love you too Robbie (and sadly he does not see this since he has me on ignore) BTW, I never claimed I have any creative bone, or if I did, I would be a designer or producer myself.. last time I checked, I am neither... for the rest of your rant, it's just hilarious to watch you get all upset about stuff you do not understand

                    Paul, I already give your reviews to the production team for creative criticism, although the way you write the reviews is more condescending than creative criticism.. but my team will survive...
                    "Think about it a little more and you'll agree with me, because you're smart and I'm right."
                    - Charlie Munger

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                    • INever
                      Confirmed User
                      • Jan 2005
                      • 4029

                      #430
                      After all this I hope the model doesn't get her period the day of the shoot.
                      I love Camdough

                      airvpn

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                      • Altwebdesign

                        #431
                        paul you get the contract? We're a step closer!!

                        to be fair fabian did say lots of times his legal team is very busy, not a cheap dig, but hardly surprising is it? :P

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                        • ReggieDurango
                          Confirmed User
                          • Nov 2007
                          • 4784

                          #432
                          Is it just me, or does this thread have the makings of one of the potentially most-historic if not THE most-historic thread in the history of GFY!!!?!?!?!?!?!

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                          • INever
                            Confirmed User
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 4029

                            #433
                            Originally posted by ReggieDurango
                            Is it just me, or does this thread have the makings of one of the potentially most-historic if not THE most-historic thread in the history of GFY!!!?!?!?!?!?!
                            Reggie, I like your trailer. Please follow my sig and email me if you want. And yeah, this has all the makings of a saga. Too bad it's not being documented on film.
                            I love Camdough

                            airvpn

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                            • ottopottomouse
                              She is ugly, bad luck.
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 13177

                              #434
                              Originally posted by ReggieDurango
                              Is it just me, or does this thread have the makings of one of the potentially most-historic if not THE most-historic thread in the history of GFY!!!?!?!?!?!?!
                              Surely that ones going to come after it is filmed.
                              ↑ see post ↑
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                              • JustDaveXxx
                                I AM JUSTDAVE !
                                • Feb 2005
                                • 4111

                                #435
                                Originally posted by Paul Markham
                                So I just spent the last hour watching the video that goes with the golf and sofa sets of this girl Skye Daniels.

                                Over all very average. No where near quality porn ad clearly not shot or edited by an experienced team. The mistakes are clear and with the model being so fake not helping the over all product.

                                Here is my appraisal and some advice to Fabian and anyone else.

                                **********************************************

                                *************************************************

                                Over all I suspect it was shot with a less than experienced shooter whose working on a budget that doesn't allow him to have things like over head mikes. There's simply no excuse for the poor sound editing. Just plain sloppy.

                                Is it good? No.

                                Is it good for this part of the industry? Sadly yes.

                                Can I shoot better? I wouldn't of lasted 30 years shooting like this. But in 30 years you learn to shoot a lot better as the years went by. This is how we all start out. Making simple mistakes, seeing them when we edit and making sure we improve.

                                The big question is.

                                CAN ANYONE SHOOT BETTER FOR $700 A SET AND VIDEO OUTRIGHT ONE SALE?
                                Damn Paul!! One of the most impressive reviews I have ever read. You were dead on with what you pointed out. You really need to know your shit to point out what you pointed out. Very, Very impressive.


                                I looked at the camera work and i defiantly with out a doubt know who shot that scene. The moves way give it away. This director does not edit and will not listen to anybody about anything when it comes to making technical changes that will up his content quality. This particular shooter is a technical retard and will not listen to anybody, because he already knows it all. Im guessing he fears loosing his job when his technical short comings come to light.


                                The stills are shot by somebody else entirely and are seriously rushed because the director is yelling at everyone to hurry up,because he wants to get out of there before 4pm. That is way evident by the inconsistency of the stills. The strobes are not recharged when the photog fires the next shot. That i know is a fact.


                                I know the Photographer personally, but i do know the director. I know if the photographer had more time on the stills, the stills would be way, way better. 2k stills and get them done in 20 min. is not fair to the photographer and to the company paying for the scene.


                                You were right about him using the onboard mic. He wont use a boom because he is way far from technical as they get and he will claim it will restrict his quick movement and scene flow.

                                Furthermore this particular director has a serious reputation for yelling at talent and stressing everyone out on set when he is in a bad mood. That seems to be everyday from what I hear. Thats what is with the uncomfortable look on the girls face. Im not going to name him, but his initials are TT. (I bet i get a scathing call later in the week because of my honesty)


                                From what I understand MOFOS is more of an amateur site. Shot with little lighting(on purpose) and has more of a raw feel to it.


                                Paul, I think that you happened to pic the worst scene shot by, IMHO, the least skilled shooter. To Brazzers defense, i think that is the look that MOFOS wants for that network. A Pro Am look and feel is the look that MOFOS is looking for.


                                You need to see some of the stuff that Bret Brando shoots. That is the stuff that is on the Brazzers flagship site. The sound is good, the lighting is on point, the stories are entertaining and i know that Brando is always on point.


                                The shooters that care and that are on point when they shoot will have an external mic on the camera with a shock mount going into channel one and a boom arm mic that is positioned 3 feet over the set, cabled in to channel two. Why??? Shooters that are editors and editors know why.


                                "Over all," i still think that Brazzers "as a whole" has the best content quality on the net. With RK at close 2nd in content quality. RK's edge is the new unseen girl factor.




                                I do edit my own scenes, I see my past mistakes and i have learned from them. After reading your review and seeing that your eye is on technical point and knowing that you do understand what is expected from you, I truly feel that you will knock this scene out of the park. Shit, you might end up being the next Brazzers contract guy.



                                Paul; you and I may disagree on things from time to time, but i do respect you and all of your accomplishments in adult. I will be cheering for you on this next shoot,

                                Good luck
                                Last edited by JustDaveXxx; 03-07-2011, 11:16 AM.


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